Allenars..got mine over here for $820 shipped.
Hi rtsy,
I am currently using a Yamaha ddp2 for dolby digital processing and an onkyo 545 as amp. I would like to upgrade to dts and dpl2. Is there a similar processor from yamaha that has dts and dpl2? I like the yamaha's dsp processing kaya processor lang hanap ko. Like you I also noticed na hindi maganda yung amp section ng yamaha.
Although I auditioned the Yamaha, hindi ako na impress sa dami ng DSP nya, for me its like faking the real sound of the source(DVD, AudioCD & etc.). Parang mga presets lang sya ng madaming equalizers yung DSP.
My budget for speakers is 25,000.
That's for all five of them.
how much this Denon 1602? nabenta ko na yung receiver ko at hanngang ngayon wala pa akong pamalit, hirap kasing pabigla-bigla ng bili, baka magsisi bandang huli.
una Onkyo 494 ang gusto ko, pero ngayon parang pumapalit na itong Denon 1602. Apartment ang bahay ko, player ko ay DVD,VHS,VCD and multitrack recorder (use as tape deck), that's why i need to have a PL2. Sa tingin nyo ok ba ang PL2, hindi ba nagle-less ang power and warm sound, baka mas maganda pa rin ang tunog ng stereo.
Lumalamang sa akin ang Denon 1602 ngayon, kaso ano itong sinasabing issue sa remote?
Happy New Year!
BLUED
thanks sa mga reply, so I will use my ears as a measuring tool para malaman talaga kung ano ang bagay sa set-up ko at ang gusto ko! hindi ko kailan masyado ng power kaya ok na ang Onkyo 494 or Denon 1602,kailangan ma-test ko na ang dalawang ito sa mga listening room. Unahin ko siguro kay Nannie sa Upscale mas malapit.
sa mga may contact dyan, may mga darating pa bang bagong modelo dyan at pagbaba ng presyo sa mga a/v receiver?
My worry with the Denons are (or so I've read) is that it needs PAL for its onscreen menu, eh my tv is only NTSC.
So far, my choices, IN ORDER, are the Yamaha 1200, Onkyo 595, Onkyo 696, and Denon 1802.
I wanted that Yamaha 1200, but the price is waay over
almondski and buled!
hahaha! Now there's three of us. We should have something like a 'Pinoy DVD buyers' EB'! ;D
You know guys, why don't we buy these machines from say the
same dealer (even if it does not have to be the same brand/model)? I think we can get a BIGGER DISCOUNT if we do it this way! Parang volume order... What say you? :D
Thnks meowpao , what a nice idea but i was living overseas so i have no luck joining you guys. Just want to know your thoughts. I think ill go for onkyo 565, they are all good AVR's so it's just depend on market strategy to make a certain product to be no.1.
Anybody selling a decent 32+ inch TV relatively cheap? ;)
-Pep
As of now, I'm scratching out the Yamaha 1200 from my list. Though the specs look really good, its still way too expensive.
nirvblakr,
Where is the 'Pier'?
I can visualize the place... do they have a sign?
Onkyo - Poor mans Denon
::)
almondski - err.. didnt mean it as an offensive comment k :)
Onkyo 575 - IMO a very great amp for the price
Pep!
Where are you located ba? Ok ba talaga if I check out your system? BTW, what're your speakers? :D
Ahh... do you think your TV is pathetic? Wait'll you hear about MINE! Eight-year old 14" (READ: FOURTEEN INCH) Panasonic MONO TV! Wahhooo! :o Imagine having a high tech HT system and watching it in MINI form! hahahaha!
I've been putting off buying a bigger TV since I've been waiting for these Plasma and HDTVs to come out, and hopefully, become more affordable! ;D
Same thing with videos... I have VHS, but I skipped LDs and VCDs (same reason as above!). And now that DVDs are affordable and 'formats' have just about stabilized (both hardware and discs)... ATTACK!!!! :D
:P alf,
that's my age talaga. anyway, i think noel will settle sa yamaha rx-v496. kita nya ang review mataas daw. pwede kaya yung speaker nya 250w jbl? baka masira avr nya. ;D ;D
im still looking for shops with denon units for testing. too bad virra mall is still closed after the fire.
Im also planning to upgrade my receiver but my budget is for the Onkyo 484 or Yamaha 496 model only.
Hey pareng Lev, thanks for the invite to this forum! Konting pasensya pa sakin pare, until I finalize my purchases na lang tapos hindi na kita muna kukulitin ulit. Thanks for your evocations dude. I really appreciate it. ;)
Racio,
Denon or Marantz? I think it is a very close call. Between receivers within a related price range, you should look for the features, the aesthetics (whether you love it's looks) and sheer gut feeling. The sound quality between 2 receivers within the same price range is almost comparing apples with apples. :) I think there is a mere 5%-10% difference in sound quality and for most, it's a psychological difference. :)
I also had the same dilemna last year when comparing the CDM1NT and Sonus Faber Concertino. It all boils down to which "characteristics" you prefer and suits your listening style. I for one chose the Sonus Faber Concertino but let your ears and eyes decide.
Characteristics :
CDM1NT : musical purity where there is almost a cleansing sound to it's clarity, more analytical, more detail, has deep soundstage and very open in the upper frequencies (NAUTILUS?). Suits LIVE, ACOUSTIC music.
Concertino : more emotional and involving sounding, less detail, openness in the mids. Suits vocal jazz and piano/violin led music.
Im also selling my Sonus Faber Concertino if you are interested in an audition, PM me. Good luck on your search. Whichever speaker you purchase, you won't be dissapointed! Just my 2 cents. :)
Manila
Manila,
I was able to test the tinos and concerto and I really like the sound. If only I have the budget, I would also like to get the SF. I have one question about these speakers. Do they have enough bass for normal easy listening in a 30 sq meter room? I dont need powerful and deep bass but I dont want mid and highs only. Thanks
levi
Hello, I'd like to know your comments on which is the better receiver: the Denon AVR-2802 or the Yamaha RX-V530. I think both are in the same level (price and features wise). Someone told me that the Yamaha is better for audio (music) while Denon is better for HT.
MARANTZ is coming out sooon!!!
42" PLASMA TV for 289K
6.1 CHANNEL AVR starting at 22K
5.1 DPL-II starting at 14.9K!!!
Hi Racio,
Sorry the model you we're looking for are out of stock...
I'll inform you as soon as it's available....
Can you help me find a buyer for Denon AVC - A1SR???? I'll give you the best price... Thanks
-Tony_M
SF. I have one question about these speakers. Do they have enough bass for normal easy listening in a 30 sq meter room? I dont need powerful and deep bass but I dont want mid and highs only. Thanks
Levi,
I have the 'Tinos. Keep 'em close to the rear wall (no more than 3 ft) and each other (no more than 7-8ft) and you will be rewarded with decent bass...not the ones you need for techno, big band, and really large orchestras, but for my type of music (jazz vocals, some pop, some rock, quartet/quintet classicals) it's more than enough.
Surf through Audio Asylum and look for posts made by Hyperion. He's a Pinoy Sonus Faber meister. Read his posts about SF set-up carefully. And try to ignore his posts on matching components for the SF or else like me, you'll end up dreaming of stuff you cannot afford (e.g., Conrad johnson tube amps, Audio Note silver speaker cables, Naim, etc.). ;-)
Hey Russ!
LTNS! aw shucks ... pinu-plug mo pala ako rito hehehe. Ey, musta ka na? I got a REL sub! :D
Hey Russ!
LTNS! aw shucks ... pinu-plug mo pala ako rito hehehe. Ey, musta ka na? I got a REL sub! :D
Im also selling my Sonus Faber Concertino if you are interested in an audition, PM me. Good luck on your search. Whichever speaker you purchase, you won't be dissapointed! Just my 2 cents. :)
Manila,
I was able to test the tinos and concerto and I really like the sound. If only I have the budget, I would also like to get the SF. I have one question about these speakers. Do they have enough bass for normal easy listening in a 30 sq meter room? I dont need powerful and deep bass but I dont want mid and highs only. Thanks
levi
--> I saw a used set of CJ pre
--> and power amp up for sale
--> at Sonny’s. You might be interested.
Which of Sonny's stores? He has a couple, right?
Remember the model/price?
I have my heart set out on buying the 530. Saan ang Electronics Depot and do they have cheaper prices than Ambassador? Doon ko pa lang nakita ang 530 eh.
Thanks a lot
You might want to consider the RXV-430. Same power rating but less features. I went with the 430 because it was cheaper and the extra features of the 530 I didn't really need such pre-outs and A-B speaker switching among others. Otherwise they are the same amp.
Jovi
You might want to consider the RXV-430. Same power rating but less features. I went with the 430 because it was cheaper and the extra features of the 530 I didn't really need such pre-outs and A-B speaker switching among others. Otherwise they are the same amp.
Jovi
Actually i was considering the 430 originaly until i found out wala pala siyang S-Video inputs. Anyway I've expanded my choices to include the Onky tx-sr494 or 500. Ok rin sina ang Yamaha 620 pero wala kasing PLII. BTW is PLII worth the extra cost?
PLII is worth the extra cost if you will watch a lot of movies in stereo sound, like wathing cable TV (HBO, Cinemax) or watching VHS or vcd. If you are purely a DVD guy, PLII is useless.
Jovi
Quote
Yah I try to avoid vhs as much as possible and never touch vcds.
I do however also listen to a lot of music. Hindi ba maganda ang PLII when listening to cds?
what's better, onkyo tx-sr500 or the denon 1602, i'm planing to buy this week end and i'm still undecided
guys,
pls. advice... i'm choosing between denon1602, onkyo tx-ds575x, yamaha 496. ano ba ang pinaka okay between the 3 receivers? im planning to use M73i speakers. ito yung price na nakuha ko: denon1602 (19k bnew), onkyo tx-ds575x (15k pero 2nd hand), yamaha 496 (13k pero 2nd hand).
Reposting
jhun,
tnx man! :) baka meron kang tel number nila para tawagan ko muna tungkol sa prices and availability, bago ako pumunta layo ko pa kase e
tnx agen!
for denon.... try 1803(DTS ES discrete)
for onkyo..... try sr600(DTS ES/DD EX discrete)
both are at around 24.5k
yamaha 630(23k) only has matrix versions of DTS and DD
for marantz...sr5200(DTS ES discrete).. di ko lang alam kung magkano....
;)
onkyo. all 6.1 formats are covered, OSD pa. ;)
onkyo. all 6.1 formats are covered, OSD pa. ;)
Please check. I think denon 1803 lacks DD EX decoding.
I did a search on the marantz sr4200 and 5200, wala atang component video in and out?
I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300. :)
I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300. :)
mind telling us why?
sgc,
i own a marantz 5200, yup wala nga siya component
video in/out.
but, i still enjoy the video component connection by
directly connecting my DVD to my TV which has
2 component video input.
I see thanks guys... so what's the main difference between the 1200 and the 1300 yamahas?
MeowPao, thanks...
I guess for a smaller room ok na RXV1200...
Guys,
How come no one among you recommend a "Pioneer" for HT/Audio receiver? Aint that good ba sya to be not included among Onkyo, Denon & Yamaha.
I'm curious co'z I'm going to audition this coming sat VSX-D811S-S at Listening Room (Mega). Can you give me some more insights re: pioneer before it's too late.
Your opinions are very much welcome. Thanks.
caycski
Forgive the ignorance but what does OSD stand for and what is its function?onkyo. all 6.1 formats are covered, OSD pa. ;)
I think the denon also covers all 6.1 formats... wala lang OSD. Isn't it that Onkyo's are more for Audio enthusiasts? I plan to use the receiver for movies. Would the Onkyo do?
Forgive the ignorance but what does OSD stand for and what is its function?
sgc,If you don't mind saying how much did you get yours, when was that and from whom?
i own a marantz 5200, yup wala nga siya component
video in/out.
but, i still enjoy the video component connection by
directly connecting my DVD to my TV which has
2 component video input.
TY :)Forgive the ignorance but what does OSD stand for and what is its function?
On Screen Display - you can see the AVR's menu on the tv screen as you set it up or make changes
I'd still go for a Yamaha 1300/2300. :)
mind telling us why?
192khz DACs; higher wattage than the models 1200,2200,3200; 2 zones; the number of I/O terminals, number of DSPs, the clean look. :)
And with the 3300, it remembers different volume settings for different inputs, like say a different volume for DVDs and another for CDs.
Aside from the specs, I still have to see a major problem with Yamaha receivers.
Checking around, you'll see some brands with big problems with certain series.
As someone had told me when I was still a newbie: "if you want to be sure, get a Yamaha, di ka magkakamali dun". :)
Are the models (1300,2300,3300) out yet locally?
Last I asked wala pa daw balita. :-\
hi guys! just like to inquire if you could give me suggestions on who gives best rating between denon avr-1803 or yamaha rxv-730.
hi guys! just like to inquire if you could give me suggestions on who gives best rating between denon avr-1803 or yamaha rxv-730.
both are good receivers. never used a yamy so i would say get the denon. just got mine last october and am very satisfied with it
both are good receivers. never used a yamy so i would say get the denon. just got mine last october and am very satisfied with it
tnx man, ifinally decided to get the denon 1803, price wise yamaha 730 is much more expensive and dts-es compatible lang sya, while the denon 1803 is 6.1 discreet. i demo both unit and both sounded great in movies more or less. and most importantly it match my b&w 601s2 speakers.
both are good receivers. never used a yamy so i would say get the denon. just got mine last october and am very satisfied with it
tnx man, ifinally decided to get the denon 1803, price wise yamaha 730 is much more expensive and dts-es compatible lang sya, while the denon 1803 is 6.1 discreet. i demo both unit and both sounded great in movies more or less. and most importantly it match my b&w 601s2 speakers.
bunkieboy, youve been experiencing (dts-es) 6.1 music effects since october pa pala. any comments in comparison with 5.1 effects? and give tips on what dvd title kind give the best 6.1 effects. ;)
6.1/7.1 is now becoming a standard... buti na lang 6.1 na ang nabili kong amp :D
Hi. I'm just beginning to put together my HT. Been doing a lot of research, looking around and a little testing. I have to save up first, but I'm looking for an in-between reciever. Something that plays good music and good HT. I've tried out the Onkyo SR600 and the Yamaha RXV-630. Yamaha sounds really good for movies cuz its nice and bright, but hurts on the ears when you listen to music. The Onkyo on the other hand sounds better for music as its a bit warmer or neutral. I haven't tested the Denon 1803 yet though.
I was wondering if any of you have comments about the Onkyo SR700. Also if you have any comments about the Onkyo SR600 against the Denon 1803.
Which is better Denon 1803 or Yamaha 1300...yamaha is 10k more than the denon
dex,
yung 730 kasi eh DTS ES Compatible lang eh. Ang mahal naman nung 2802 nang Denon eh
dex,
yung 730 kasi eh DTS ES Compatible lang eh. Ang mahal naman nung 2802 nang Denon eh
ah ok... ??? 1803 seems to be on the money..audition na lang natin bro
marantz sr5200 is also on the 23-26k price range ata.
may preouts pa..
Whats the difference between..dts-es, compatible,matrixed and discrete? :(
Whats the difference between..dts-es, compatible,matrixed and discrete? :(
my understanding is that if the amp is compatible, you will need an extra amp for the surround backs
for matrixed, the surround backs will just emit the same sound as the rear speakers.
when its discrete, sound emitted by the surround backs is an entirely different channel from that of the rears.
slowhand,
Electronic depot will be having stocks of marantz probably by next week..yun ang sabi nila sa akin nung sunday when i visited their store sa festival mall...sabi nila theyll give discount on pinoydvd members....look for alex...he's a nice guy.
hope this helps ;D
Bro,
Di ka na talaga mapakali he!!he!!
Additional criteria sa comparison
Price Range
Power
Features
Thanks
question lang po.
May phono input ba denon 1803? Can you directly plug a turn table , play LP's and hear the sounds from the speakers?
hello,
actually ive already asked this question on the DENON thread but i'll ask this once again...
can anyone give me a "convincing" reason why should I choose a DENON receiver over yamaha?
thanks alot... tsaka pala, anong katumbas na model ng yamaha ax2300 sa denon? thanks again! :)
hello,
actually ive already asked this question on the DENON thread but i'll ask this once again...
can anyone give me a "convincing" reason why should I choose a DENON receiver over yamaha?
thanks alot... tsaka pala, anong katumbas na model ng yamaha ax2300 sa denon? thanks again! :)
Try to audition both in 2 channel stereo and hear the difference....then decide which is better....
This is just me being a denon owner....this receiver really gives you your money's worth paired with the right speakers ;D
hello,
actually ive already asked this question on the DENON thread but i'll ask this once again...
can anyone give me a "convincing" reason why should I choose a DENON receiver over yamaha?
thanks alot... tsaka pala, anong katumbas na model ng yamaha ax2300 sa denon? thanks again! :)
Try to audition both in 2 channel stereo and hear the difference....then decide which is better....
This is just me being a denon owner....this receiver really gives you your money's worth paired with the right speakers ;D
Hi.
I've been doing some research on recievers and NAD has a new model out, the T752. You guys have any comments on NAD. I'm looking at the Denon 2803, Onkyo SR700, and the NAD. I'm planning to complete my system slowly but with the best components I can afford. I wanna go 50/50 music and movies.
Thanks for the comments. :)
hello,
actually ive already asked this question on the DENON thread but i'll ask this once again...
can anyone give me a "convincing" reason why should I choose a DENON receiver over yamaha?
thanks alot... tsaka pala, anong katumbas na model ng yamaha ax2300 sa denon? thanks again! :)
Nirv... have you found the right speakers for the 1803? care to share what they are?
How about Harman Kardon? I'm really interested with the HK 2550. How do you guys compare HK with the other receivers?
hey guys,
need some help... which do you think is the best among these receivers?... yamaha, denon, onkyo
thanks!
v0elker,
thats pretty much what I read on the NAD too. Thats why I got interested in them. I already did some asking around here and the model isn't available yet locally. They say maybe next month or something. I can't audition them yet so as of now, your review will have to tide me over. At the rate I'm going, it'll take me forever to put a system together cuz I keep on postponing other components so that I can get better stuff. Its a vicious cycle. Hehehe :)
How about Harman Kardon? I'm really interested with the HK 2550. How do you guys compare HK with the other receivers?
How about Denon 1803 and Onkyo TX-SR600..pareho sila nang features eh..and also same price range. Which is better kaya?
How about Harman Kardon? I'm really interested with the HK 2550. How do you guys compare HK with the other receivers?
I auditioned the hk receivers great sound the logic 7 chip really gives it the edge pretty good for music as well as movies but the guy at the store says that denon is sllightly better for movies. But I like the harman i'm saving up for it na nga eh. It also has a better look than the denon real smooth and shiny black. going to pair it with the jbl scs 178. My friend says you can't go wrong with either the hk 2550 or the denon 1603 but if you have the budget you can always go for the higher models which have dts-es and dd-ex.
I auditioned the hk receivers great sound the logic 7 chip really gives it the edge pretty good for music as well as movies but the guy at the store says that denon is sllightly better for movies. But I like the harman i'm saving up for it na nga eh. It also has a better look than the denon real smooth and shiny black. going to pair it with the jbl scs 178. My friend says you can't go wrong with either the hk 2550 or the denon 1603 but if you have the budget you can always go for the higher models which have dts-es and dd-ex.
unless you auditioned the HKs against the Denon using your set of speakers... you did not really 'auditioned' them properly... Pero speaking from experience... and from what most enthusiasts has told me... mas solid ang amplifier ng denon... And I think for powering receivers, amplification should come first - then features.I auditioned the hk receivers great sound the logic 7 chip really gives it the edge pretty good for music as well as movies but the guy at the store says that denon is sllightly better for movies. But I like the harman i'm saving up for it na nga eh. It also has a better look than the denon real smooth and shiny black. going to pair it with the jbl scs 178. My friend says you can't go wrong with either the hk 2550 or the denon 1603 but if you have the budget you can always go for the higher models which have dts-es and dd-ex.
dr_dohh,
thanks for the info... is the buyer's guide that ur talking about available thru the net? can u give us the site if it's in the net... thanks again!
thanks for all the advice. :) I can't wait for the NAD t752 to come out here. I really wanna check them out already. I just hope they don't cost too much.
where are you located? Thats a pretty good price compared to what I saw on the net for US prices. Last I checked here in Manila, the T741 was going for around 23k. Thats a pretty good price you have there.
Voelker,
There's a shop at Sim Lim Sq. (grnd floor) that sells the NAD T752 for S$850 or around 25K. And yep, wala pa daw nung T762.
Norrowed down my Upgrade choices pls help me choose on the following.
Yamaha RXV1300 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Denon 1803 80 watts X 6 96kHz/24-bit DACs
Onkyo TX-SR600 80 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Onkyo TX-SR700 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
192kHz/24-bit DAC<--- para saan to
Norrowed down my Upgrade choices pls help me choose on the following.
Yamaha RXV1300 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Denon 1803 80 watts X 6 96kHz/24-bit DACs
Onkyo TX-SR600 80 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Onkyo TX-SR700 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
192kHz/24-bit DAC<--- para saan to
With the chioces you have there, I'll go for the Onkyo TXSR700 ;)
Guys/Gals,Bro,
I'm planning to buy a YAMAHA HTR 5250 at 15K.
Please help me finalize my decision by giving reviews, comments and etc...
tnx
Norrowed down my Upgrade choices pls help me choose on the following.
Yamaha RXV1300 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Denon 1803 80 watts X 6 96kHz/24-bit DACs
Onkyo TX-SR600 80 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
Onkyo TX-SR700 100 watts X 6 192kHz/24-bit DAC
192kHz/24-bit DAC<--- para saan to
With the chioces you have there, I'll go for the Onkyo TXSR700 ;)
Mel & Emm,
Bro, why the Onkyo TX-SR700? Whats the advantage of the Onkyo to the Yammy and the Denon? Bukod sa mas mura sya sa Yamaha RXV1300? Need ur comment on the SR700.
Thanks
Dex,
Receiver lang muna kaya ng budget ko eh.
Anyways, how much is each, just in case.
stradale,
Bro tenks for the info on the Onkyo, sayang ganda pa naman nang specs nun...anyway..guess choices is brought down to 2.
stradale,
Bro tenks for the info on the Onkyo, sayang ganda pa naman nang specs nun...anyway..guess choices is brought down to 2.
stradale,
Bro tenks for the info on the Onkyo, sayang ganda pa naman nang specs nun...anyway..guess choices is brought down to 2.
Courage,
I think you need to listen the performance of the receivers side by side for yourself before you shorten your list.
stradale,
Bro tenks for the info on the Onkyo, sayang ganda pa naman nang specs nun...anyway..guess choices is brought down to 2.
Courage,
I think you need to listen the performance of the receivers side by side for yourself before you shorten your list.
Na Audition ko na kasi yung Yammy 1300 and yung Denon 1803 eh..yung Onkyo na lang talaga ang wala akong idea. Pero bakit ang dami ngang bad reviews nang Onkyo sa Audioreview?
Dex,
ehehehehe ang hirap mamili bro. ehehehe
Na Audition ko na kasi yung Yammy 1300 and yung Denon 1803 eh..yung Onkyo na lang talaga ang wala akong idea. Pero bakit ang dami ngang bad reviews nang Onkyo sa Audioreview?
Yeah. Para lalo kang mahilo, try mo rin yung mga Harman Kardon Receivers..
[quote author=MeowPao
I think their latest line has some problems. I've read somewhere aside from audioreview about the models' wattage dropping really low when all speakers are being used, as in very low.
I think someone here posted a chart with regards to the power output of receivers. Generally most Jap receivers go lower than their published rates, while US and European receivers maintain or even exceed their published rates.
Have you tried listening to the NAD or the Harman Kardon yet? :) Para may Jap vs Kano comparison ka sana.
[quote author=Courage
Is there a NAD or HK that is already 6.1 na nasa 30k?
Im also checking the Marantz SR4200 80 watts/ch (429.00$) ,Marantz SR5200 90 watts/ch(599.00$) and Marantz SR6200 100 watts/ch (699.00$). All are DTS-ES 6.1 na. Meron na kaya nito dito? Any idea magkano ito dito? And How about the performance of marantz against Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha.
Masyado na atang mahal ang Harman Kardon at Nad eh. Maximum budget ko kasi is 34k. In which yung Yamaha 1300 ang pinaka mahal sa tatlong models na pinagpipilian ko. Is there a NAD or HK that is already 6.1 na nasa 30k?
Im also checking the Marantz SR4200 80 watts/ch (429.00$) ,Marantz SR5200 90 watts/ch(599.00$) and Marantz SR6200 100 watts/ch (699.00$). All are DTS-ES 6.1 na. Meron na kaya nito dito? Any idea magkano ito dito? And How about the performance of marantz against Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha.
Yeah. Para lalo kang mahilo, try mo rin yung mga Harman Kardon Receivers..
Masyado na atang mahal ang Harman Kardon at Nad eh. Maximum budget ko kasi is 34k. In which yung Yamaha 1300 ang pinaka mahal sa tatlong models na pinagpipilian ko. Is there a NAD or HK that is already 6.1 na nasa 30k?
Im also checking the Marantz SR4200 80 watts/ch (429.00$) ,Marantz SR5200 90 watts/ch(599.00$) and Marantz SR6200 100 watts/ch (699.00$). All are DTS-ES 6.1 na. Meron na kaya nito dito? Any idea magkano ito dito? And How about the performance of marantz against Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha.
This will be my last upgrade kaya kelangan pagaralang mabuti eh. ehehe :)
thanks for all the advice. :) I can't wait for the NAD t752 to come out here. I really wanna check them out already. I just hope they don't cost too much.
silly,
wala akong idea on how the Marantz perform eh. maybe u can give me a little info on marantz receiver..or sino dito ang naka marantz baka may info kayo.
iceman,
Im using diamond 8.3 and diamond center. Whats ur comment when ur marantz still drives the 8.1? Ayos ba naman? I might consider the marantz 4300 eh which will drive my 8.3..just wanna know kung mag mamatch ang marantz sa wharfedale..so far im using a yamaha and had no problems with the wharfs.
At the time the 4200 had 2.1 channel pre-out lang yata. Ngayon ba 5.1 na ang pre outs ng 4300?i'm not sure if the earlier models of the sr4200 had only stereo + sub pre-outs, but my unit has all 6 ;D
Skabyol
the marantz will be on demo tomorrow at my shop. need at least one day initial run-in (break-in) and a week for full break-in (i play it at least 10 hrs a day).
i'll let you guys judge the merits (or demerits) of the units. don't get me wrong; i still carry my favorite onkyo line. but when something like this (feature packed, cheap & good-sounding (i hope the reviews are true))
comes along it's hard to pass.
will update on this thread...
Masyado na atang mahal ang Harman Kardon at Nad eh. Maximum budget ko kasi is 34k. In which yung Yamaha 1300 ang pinaka mahal sa tatlong models na pinagpipilian ko. Is there a NAD or HK that is already 6.1 na nasa 30k?
Im also checking the Marantz SR4200 80 watts/ch (429.00$) ,Marantz SR5200 90 watts/ch(599.00$) and Marantz SR6200 100 watts/ch (699.00$). All are DTS-ES 6.1 na. Meron na kaya nito dito? Any idea magkano ito dito? And How about the performance of marantz against Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha.
No no! Affordable ang mga yan. For example,
H/K AVR5500 5x75w P40,600.00
H/K AVR3550 5x60w P25,000.00
May discount pa yan, prices courtesy of Architectural Audio. :) (and the wattage may look small, pero what you see is what you hear.)
Iwas ka sa x200 series ng Marantz... if you think the latest Onkyo models have negative comments, wait 'till you see the comments of the x200 series. Kaya siguro lumabas na ng x300 series, now that they've been bought by Denon, siguro ok na sila.
I remember someone telling me that Marantz is one of the more musical receivers out there. :)
red,
saang store yung price na yan?
bro,
sino pwede kong hanapin dun?
Guys,
Eto na talaga ang pag iisipan...
Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?
Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo? :)
Guys,
Eto na talaga ang pag iisipan...
Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?
Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo? :)
Guys,
Eto na talaga ang pag iisipan...
Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?
Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo? :)
Depends sa speaker na gagamitin mo.
But for me, I will choose H/K 5500 or the H/K 3550 will do.
Not much for the 6th or 7th channel, kasi I just have a medium size listening room, 5.1 will do.
Guys,
Eto na talaga ang pag iisipan...
Marantz SR5300 or Denon 1803?
Kung kayo? ano bibilhin nyo? :)
Depends sa speaker na gagamitin mo.
But for me, I will choose H/K 5500 or the H/K 3550 will do.
Not much for the 6th or 7th channel, kasi I just have a medium size listening room, 5.1 will do.
Bro wharf ang speakers ni Courage kaya nga dapat yung ang gagamitin nya para maka pag decide na sya..ilang linggo na yan na di nakaka tulog he!!he!!
Na audition ko na pareho eh...they both use Energy speakers.. they both sound good in music and HT..although kaya ko naman bilhin yung marantz (mas mahal kasi kesa sa denon eh)..
If u compare on features lamang kasi ang marantz eh 90 wattc/ch, OSD, 192hz DAC, Pre Outs on all channels..
Although Denon has Component In and Out, speakers set A and B on rear center para pwedeng 7.1 although isang ampli lang for both a & B rear centers,Phono Input(yata).
Power consumption on denon is 260 watts while yung Marantz is 360 watts yata or more..i read it somewhere in pinoy dvd that u also need to look on the power it consumes..more power consumption ata means more power on ur amplifier(im not sure eheheh).
sillyputty,
pare nag pa quote ako kay Hyperaudio on Marantz SR5300 and im planning to buy my Marantz sa kanya kung by march 9 eh umabot budget ko kaya nga esep esep ako eh. U can ask him na lang.
Philander,
I also auditioned the HK 5500...speechless ako habang pinakikinggan ko and at the same time tumutulo ang laway.. damn that receiver is the best grabe tumunog ang ganda. from the receiver na na audition ko last sunday Onkyo TXSR700 & 600,Marantz SR5300,SR4300, Denon 1803,Kenwood 5090(yata yun) and HK5500 da best sa lahat yung HK pare..so i agree with u.
So if u are willing or have 34k budget on a receiver..i suggest the HK 5500. too bad that price is too much for me baka hindi lang bullet proof vest ang kailangan ko pag uwi ehehehehehe
Courage- Pre, I think the receivers you were comparing aren't in the same league. It is wise to compare the 1803 and the TXSR600 coz most probably they are in the same price range.
Guess, the HK5500 should be compared with maybe a TXSR700 or a 2803 para patas ang labanan. ;D
what would you recommend?
HK5500
Marantz 5300
Denon 1803
pagpayuhan po ninyo..
nalilito,
qatarman ???
what would you recommend?
HK5500
Marantz 5300
Denon 1803
pagpayuhan po ninyo..
nalilito,
qatarman ???
Actually they are all very good receivers. Its just a matter of preferences. Best is you need to pair them their corresponding speaker for them to be able to sound great and release its power.
I mean Receiver A will sound bad in Speaker A but Receiver B will sound great in Speaker A or something like that. You may also consider the speaker you are going to use to your chosen Receiver.
As per your question, I think the best above them is the H/K, but you need to pair it with a corresponding speaker (consider the sensitivity, impedance, power, etc).
For simplicity and "not that" sensitive in pairing the speaker, well Denon 1803 is the master.
You be the judge, trust your ear.
Mas nagpapalito,
philander
banzai, i got the t752 here in singapore for about P28k, the T762 will be available soon and they tell me the prices will be P40k or whereabouts
ive only used it for less than 8 hrs but the quality is already superb! i can just imagine how it will sound after some serious burn-in (or whatever u call it). my flatmates can hardly believe the sounds are coming out of my kef sub/sat combo!
judging with my experience with the T752, i assume that the T762 will blow you away! i hope u can audition both. but i dun think its a fair comparison, the nad will probably trump the HK. try to compare it to the Rotel RSX-1055 instead (the only other receiver i considered along with the T752, T762).
if u have other questions, ill try to answer em
banzai, i got the t752 here in singapore for about P28k, the T762 will be available soon and they tell me the prices will be P40k or whereabouts
ive only used it for less than 8 hrs but the quality is already superb! i can just imagine how it will sound after some serious burn-in (or whatever u call it). my flatmates can hardly believe the sounds are coming out of my kef sub/sat combo!
judging with my experience with the T752, i assume that the T762 will blow you away! i hope u can audition both. but i dun think its a fair comparison, the nad will probably trump the HK. try to compare it to the Rotel RSX-1055 instead (the only other receiver i considered along with the T752, T762).
if u have other questions, ill try to answer em
Thanks for the info V0elker. Do you know how much the Rotel is? It might be too expensive. I also have other gears to upgrade.
thanks v0elker for purchasing T752, sayang you have already had it purchase from Singapore.
The T752, is already here, by May or June the T762 will be offered in the Philippines.
T752 of NAD is price at Php32,000.00
Pero bakit ang dami kong nabasang Bad Reviews against the ONKYOS TX-SRXXX series. Revies are about yung biglang paghina nang power kapag gumagana na lahat nang channels
I'm thinking of getting a new receiver. Was wondering, what brands would rival those of Yamahas? I'm particularly looking for the 630, or even the 1200. Are there cheaper alternatives that have basically the same feature set, and a good performer?Pre, try mo onkyo 797. Got one here, inform me if you're interested.
Hey v0elker
Got my NAD T752 ;D I have to say, I didn't sleep lastnight and I'm still playing with it right now. Its great! Right now I only have fronts connected to it cuz I haven't bought my speakers yet. I'm using hand me down Bose Acoustimass and it sounds really good. The stereo output is not too mellow, nor too bright. Its got more clarity than the Onkyo I auditioned, and it belts out nice vocals. One thing I noticed on the NAD, even when I was auditioning it, was that it had clarity. You could hear everything. Maybe this is just the excitement, but I'm one satisfied customer ;D ;D Thanks for all the advice on the NAD.
Got my NAD T752 ;D
hi guys, would anyone know how much these AVRs are selling now:
Yamaha RX-V1300
Yamaha RX-V1200
Denon 1803
Thanks!
thanks Courage, what about Marantz sr4300?
thanks, laki ng difference ah, ok ba itong model na ito?
what about sr5300 and sr6300?
hey how does the HK5500 compare to the Yamaha RXV1300?
thanks, 85 watts lang pala ang HK5500?
Hey Courage, congrats!!! Share naman ng reviews ng difference sa 1803 :)
courage welcome to the club hehe, the NAD drives the wharfs well, only the HK5500 comes close I guess. Pretty deceiving sa size since it is smaller than the hk5500 and marantz 5300 pero soundwise... ;D
courage welcome to the club hehe, the NAD drives the wharfs well, only the HK5500 comes close I guess. Pretty deceiving sa size since it is smaller than the hk5500 and marantz 5300 pero soundwise... ;D
Oo nga pare..pinaganda nya ang tunog nang WHarf ko..at yun ang nag pahanga sa akin.
I agree..much smaller than HK and Maraantz pero putek ang bigatttttttttttttttt...pinagpawisan ako nang pag aakyat sa bahay. 3 stops bago ko nadala sa kwarto ehehehe
Ok sa review Courage. hehehe. Sana narinig ko din yung difference. Di na ako nakapag audition ng Denon kasi dati. Onkyo at Yamaha lang. More than satisfied na kasi ako sa tunog ng NAD nung narinig ko. Pati ang gaganda ng mga reviews, personal at professional.
Courage... Tama ka nga sa manual. Ang ganda ng papel na ginamit pero ang dami kong tanong na hindi niya masagot, kasi kulang kulang. Yung sa remote... sana nga may mga preset na codes para mas madali i-program at para sa mga nawawalang o sirang remote.
pre-set codes? actually, the remote contains some pre-set codes for other non-NAD equipment such as TVs, CDPs, etc. there's a small section sa manual which tells you how to search for the code that MIGHT work with your eqpt. indi nga lang comprehensive, so theres a chance na wala kang mahanap na preset that will work with a certain piece of kit.
upgrade ng amp? you mean additional amp for 6.1 or 7.1 use? i read some info on this in the first few pages, in the section where it describes the back panel ports/inputs/outputs. it briefly describes how you can add an external stereo amp to drive the sorround back or front left/right channels.
hmmm, rotel's website has an intro to HT and a guide to hooking up their equipment. maybe nad should make similar guides (for newbies and advanced users) available.
hmmm, rotel's website has an intro to HT and a guide to hooking up their equipment. maybe nad should make similar guides (for newbies and advanced users) available.
In case you have technical questions regarding function, please write it to us para masagot ng amin Singapore office.
manufacturers should make their sites more buyer friendly so we can learn for ourselves product specs since we dont get intelligent answers from most of the local stores here when you ask them technical things.
hmmm, rotel's website has an intro to HT and a guide to hooking up their equipment. maybe nad should make similar guides (for newbies and advanced users) available.
In case you have technical questions regarding function, please write it to us para masagot ng amin Singapore office.
manufacturers should make their sites more buyer friendly so we can learn for ourselves product specs since we dont get intelligent answers from most of the local stores here when you ask them technical things.
dracula
Actualy NAD T752 is 5.1 but it already has DD-EX and DTS - ES decoders unlike marantz and Denon or Onkyo na built in yung 6th amplifier..yung NAD eh hindi pa..thats why u need a separate amplifier para sa 6th (para 6.1) and 7th channel (if u ever wanted a 7.1).
I switch to NAD dahil para sa akin eh mas maganda sya tumunog sa mga na Audition ko(mas maganmda rin naman ang presyo eh ehehehe). My experience with NAD is great..every time na nood ako nang DVD eh..hindi ko na naiisip mag 6.1 eh...although buying an amp can make it 6.1/6.2 or 7.1/7.2..kung baga sa NAD kahit 5.1 pa lang eh makukuntento ka na..
at isa pa ang haba nang upgradability path nang NAD. Unlike nung yamaha ko dati which is also 5.1..habang buhay nang 5.1 yun...
ABouth harman.2550...DTS-ES na ba yun? is it also upgradable to 6.1 or 7.1?
mild complaint lang...bilis maubos ng batteries ng remote na kasama when I bought the NAD hehehe ;D buti na lang kala ko kasi sira remote ko :) oh well back to old reliable energizer.
Hey Courage,
Oks ba talaga ang NAD? "Upgrade Bug" is lurking inside of me... ;D ... Besides, I think it's time to retire my old Yamaha receiver. (tsaka malapit na Mid-Year Bonus... ;D).
Anyway, I will audition Marantz SR6300 next week. Na-compare mo na ba yung NAD 752 sa Marantz 6300? NAD pa rin ba (nevermind the features, just how they sound)?
Cheers!!!
Compaq
hi compaq!
are you also an A-Audio enthusiast??? anyway, with your question...i would suggest you audition bouth the NAD and the Marantz...ako i've auditioned both...NAD kasi is an audiophile company (tama nga ba???)...my T-761 sounds better than the 6-channel denons and far better than the yammies (especially if you listen closely to the center channel speakers)...i would say that NAD is perfect for both 2-channel audio and HT...you'll never go wrong...
i've also had the pleasure of auditioning all the marantz models (4300, 5300 and 6300) at sonny tuazon's humble abode...was extremly amazed at how it drives "very difficult" speakers like b&w 805...the mission m52 was also amazing with this baby...well, this is also a great receiver...
again, your ears will determine what's best for you...as for me, 6.1 is not important yet because my NAD is upgradable to 7.1 (wow!!!!)...try the marantz...you'll hear what i mean...
let me know if you're interested with the marantz...will try to get a special price for you...just send an sms 0918-9284868...o ayan ha, may plugging pa...hehehehe!
enjoy!
superman 8)
yap i agree nang magmula nang ma set up ko ang hk5500 ko maghapon akong nanonood average of 2-3 dvds kahit paulit ulit specially iyong concert dvds... nakabasyon kasi kaya walang magawa he he he.... and pag nagsawa audio cd naman ;D ;D ;D
anyone know any website for the hk5500? can't seem to find it sa official site nila na harmankardon.com eh... ano bang model number niya in the US?
hey thanks enygma and architecturalaudio!
hmm, so is hk5500 85x5 or 75x5? some sites claim 85, while others including the official site claims it's 75wattsx5 channels?
I see thanks... any idea how much an additional amplifier would cost to make the HK5500 6.1 or 7.1?calling archie audio (nico or epoy) if this amp is available could you post or pm me the price.
I see thanks... any idea how much an additional amplifier would cost to make the HK5500 6.1 or 7.1?
ic thanks... so that will make it 50k for the HK5500 to be 7.1... mahal! :)
ic thanks... so that will make it 50k for the HK5500 to be 7.1... mahal! :)
ic, thanks guys.... this makes the Yamaha 1300 more appealing... 6.1 at 34k... :)
ganon ba talaga kalaki ang difference between the Yamaha 1300 and the HK5500 and NAD T752? very noticeable ba siya?
ganon ba talaga kalaki ang difference between the Yamaha 1300 and the HK5500 and NAD T752? very noticeable ba siya?
yap i agree... i auditioned here in qatar a lower model of hk its 3000 and 2000 at naka match siya sa infinity speakers.... galeng ng tunog both on movies and audio... ;Dganon ba talaga kalaki ang difference between the Yamaha 1300 and the HK5500 and NAD T752? very noticeable ba siya?
Buddy,
all receivers have thier own characteristics in sound..its upto you kung ano ang magugustuhan mo.Tsaka its not only the receiver that matters...dapat complimented din sya ng right pair of speakers
HI Stradale,
What time? I was there too (lunch time). Was also checking out NAD T752, it was connected to a pair of Klipsch (spelling?), Klipsch din yung center.
Compaq,
I was there at lunchtime too :D. Ikaw pala yon. The one talking to the store guy. Di tuloy ako naka-singit ;). Akala ko yung Missions ang dina-drive, yung Klipch pala. I was the guy who checked out the manual.
Nice manual too.
So how did you find it? Bibili ka na ba bro Compaq? Made in China pala yung mga NADs sa Spectra. OK lang kaya yon?
Just confirm with Jim a while ago (lunch time) 34K daw last for HK5500... Thanks Jim very accomodating nga ;D ;D
I might buy na a new receiver na next week, am thinking between Yamaha RX-V1300 and HK5500... leaning towards the Yammy because 6.1 ready na siya agad, no need for an additional amplifier... hirap mag decide! ???
I might buy na a new receiver na next week, am thinking between Yamaha RX-V1300 and HK5500... leaning towards the Yammy because 6.1 ready na siya agad, no need for an additional amplifier... hirap mag decide! ???Set your conditions and what you want para di ka mahirapan bro. If you are into movies and satisfied with the musicality of yam and want a 6.1 Ready amp...go for yam 1300...if you are into music and HT but not necessarili 6.1 and just ok to spend another 10 to 15 grand for additional amps to make it 6.1/7.1 go for HK 5500
I might buy na a new receiver na next week, am thinking between Yamaha RX-V1300 and HK5500... leaning towards the Yammy because 6.1 ready na siya agad, no need for an additional amplifier... hirap mag decide! ???
bunkieboy, how much yung denon 2803?
enygma, HT wise, ano mas maganda tumunog? will be using my HT for about 95% of the time.... very seldom lang ako nakikinig ng music...
anyway, I've read consumer reviews din on Yamaha RX-V1300, and almost all of them said the Yamaha sounded very nice in both movie and music... kung 6.1 lang agad yung HK, I'd probably choose it na agad... kaya lang gastos uli for an additional amplifier to get 6.1...
thanks bunkieboy... anong model ng HK meron 6.1 na agad?
sgc_wdi
pre, still undecided on what receiver to buy? audition na kaagad sa mga receivers na pagpipilian mo. but be sure dala mo na iyung pera mo dahil sigurado ako lilinaw na talaga kung ano ang bibilhin mo. ok lang sana kung yamaha, marantz, denon etc. maraming dealer na mabibilhan pero if you go for nad and harman, there's a chance na baka magpareserve ka just like me. konti lang kasi ang order nila because they want to be sure na maubos muna ang stocks nila bago kumuha ng bagong order. ;D ang hirap maghintay din kala ko nung una madali lang. hehehehe
malamang sa dubai may rotel kumpleto roon open country yon... pro dito sa Qatar Harman lang nakita ko pro limited pa marami dito Pioneer, Sansui, Sony Receiver. They consider kasing High End (Up UP) ang HK dito kya di mabili dahil mahal.
Pro me nakita ko ritong mga nakabalagbag na lumang tube amps, iniimbestigahan ko pa :D Post ko roon sa kabilang thread. baka ma warningan ako ng MODs off topic na ;D
Wasn't able to check and auditioned the sansui dahil nang makarating ako sa distributor/retailer eh pasara na sila. (nagtagal kasi ako sa Harman eh ;D).
Pro pagbaba ko sa pampang, definitely ma-aauditioned ko yon and will post the findings (kala mo me alam sa receiver eh ;D).
I remember may sansui ka pala :D
sgc_wdi
pre, still undecided on what receiver to buy? audition na kaagad sa mga receivers na pagpipilian mo. but be sure dala mo na iyung pera mo dahil sigurado ako lilinaw na talaga kung ano ang bibilhin mo. ok lang sana kung yamaha, marantz, denon etc. maraming dealer na mabibilhan pero if you go for nad and harman, there's a chance na baka magpareserve ka just like me. konti lang kasi ang order nila because they want to be sure na maubos muna ang stocks nila bago kumuha ng bagong order. ;D ang hirap maghintay din kala ko nung una madali lang. hehehehe
I'll audition both HK and Yamaha later.. but I'm still leaning towards the Yamaha, primarily because 6.1 ready na siya and I'll be using it for movies mostly... :)sgc_wdi
pre, still undecided on what receiver to buy? audition na kaagad sa mga receivers na pagpipilian mo. but be sure dala mo na iyung pera mo dahil sigurado ako lilinaw na talaga kung ano ang bibilhin mo. ok lang sana kung yamaha, marantz, denon etc. maraming dealer na mabibilhan pero if you go for nad and harman, there's a chance na baka magpareserve ka just like me. konti lang kasi ang order nila because they want to be sure na maubos muna ang stocks nila bago kumuha ng bagong order. ;D ang hirap maghintay din kala ko nung una madali lang. hehehehe
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Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the dayQuote
NAD lang talaga ang nakapagpabago ng isip at laman ng bulsa mo. hahaha ;D ;D ;D
I think AVRs are primarily intended for HT talaga. Even those AVRs that are supposedly good for stereo (e.g. NAD, HK, Denon) just won't make the cut (parang Masters ito ah ;)) compared to any entry level audiophile stereo setup (excepting of course some really high-end AVRs like Lexicon and Tag McLaren for example).
So with that in mind, I'd get an AVR with top notch HT performance. Then I'd start saving up for a 2nd setup dedicated to music. An integrated amp from Rotel, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, or even NAD plus a really good CD player would do. You can also go on a tube gear odyssey if you are so inclined.
You can find lots of those for sale at hyperaudio's. A really popular tube amp among PDVD members is the Dynaco ST70. I saw a thread by hyperaudio selling a series 2 model of this amp for P 26-thou. But I think the series 1 is the more coveted one which probably makes it more expensive. I'm not really into tube gear so I can't tell you more than you can read elsewhere in this forum. :)
Back to the topic: here is a good reference in regards to actual power given in 5 or 6 channels.
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Hollow/3401/ratevsac.htm
Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the day
Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the day
thanks Courage, I bought the Yamaha RXV-1300 na last saturday, have not played with it that much yet, pero na test ko na rin sa bahay, very satisfied with the quality and finally I can play DTS na rin! :)
Ayos ang yamaha bro. solid ang amp na yan. Di ka magsisisi. If ill choose between Yamaha, Denon and Onkyo..ill go with the yamaha any time of the day
thanks Courage, I bought the Yamaha RXV-1300 na last saturday, have not played with it that much yet, pero na test ko na rin sa bahay, very satisfied with the quality and finally I can play DTS na rin! :)
thanks dexterc and courage, hindi siguro ako qualified mag review technical wise, hehe, pero after I break it in I'll post siguro what I like and what I don't like about it... :)
I have my suspicions and could be wrong, but perhaps you guys can help me out. I've seen a 7.1 Pioneer VSX-D811S HT receiver rated at 6 x 100 watts continuous into 8 ohms. (not in rms) That's a total of 600 watts for all channels. How can that be when its electric power consumption indicated at the back is only 280 watts? Is there a relationshipo between the two? Contrast this with a Rotel RMB1066 6-ch main amplifer rated at only 6 x 60 watts rms continuous. It has a power consumption of 700 watts. Does that mean one is more efficient than the other?
I have my suspicions and could be wrong, but perhaps you guys can help me out. I've seen a 7.1 Pioneer VSX-D811S HT receiver rated at 6 x 100 watts continuous into 8 ohms. (not in rms) That's a total of 600 watts for all channels. How can that be when its electric power consumption indicated at the back is only 280 watts? Is there a relationshipo between the two? Contrast this with a Rotel RMB1066 6-ch main amplifer rated at only 6 x 60 watts rms continuous. It has a power consumption of 700 watts. Does that mean one is more efficient than the other?
Ito yung sinasabi nila dito na manufacturers overrate their product kasi nga pang attract nang consumers..so kung wala ka masyadong alam about it eh talagang maeenganyo kang bumili
I have my suspicions and could be wrong, but perhaps you guys can help me out. I've seen a 7.1 Pioneer VSX-D811S HT receiver rated at 6 x 100 watts continuous into 8 ohms. (not in rms) That's a total of 600 watts for all channels. How can that be when its electric power consumption indicated at the back is only 280 watts? Is there a relationshipo between the two? Contrast this with a Rotel RMB1066 6-ch main amplifer rated at only 6 x 60 watts rms continuous. It has a power consumption of 700 watts. Does that mean one is more efficient than the other?
Ito yung sinasabi nila dito na manufacturers overrate their product kasi nga pang attract nang consumers..so kung wala ka masyadong alam about it eh talagang maeenganyo kang bumili
Thanks Courage. So Pioneer is one of those manufacturers that are less than honest in claiming tech specs. But if you look at their THD spec, Pioneer seems quite fortright in printing a 1% distortion at rated output. As an audiophile (at least I hope I am), I find that spec a turn-off considering that competing brands are in the range of 0.05% THD at rated outs. It would seem they are honest in one area and not with others.
Hey guys,
I hope that you could help me out in matching my mission M72i speakers and kenwood center,surround speakers and subwoofer (soon to replace) with any of these receivers I'm choosing:
Onkyo SR500
Marantz SR4300
Harman Kardon AVR2550
Denon 1603 or 1803
I'm really more concerned of the quality of sound for both music and movies (50/50), features are not that important but budget (Php 20,00) is a big concern and our sala room is about 35x20 ft. Watching movies, I tend to listen as loud as the moviehouses. Will any of the models be enough to fill our room?
Any suggestions guys is highly appreciated.
Thank you.
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thanks Courage, I bought the Yamaha RXV-1300 na last saturday, have not played with it that much yet, pero na test ko na rin sa bahay, very satisfied with the quality and finally I can play DTS na rin! :)Quote
sgc_wdi,
congrats sa bagong "baby" mo. sabi mo nga 95% mong gagamitin ito in watching movies, and i'm sure you'll be 101% satisfied when watching dvd's sa yamaha mo. ang ganda niyan especially when your using the enhanced mode of dd and dts. puyatan na naman iyan. hehehehe ;D ;D ;D
thanks dexterc and courage, hindi siguro ako qualified mag review technical wise, hehe, pero after I break it in I'll post siguro what I like and what I don't like about it... :)
yamaha is still tops in movies...di na nya kailangan ng thx processing,thx certification. if only they can do that well in audio as well.
sgc_wdi,
Yammie!! pa rin.. for movies talaga!!
btw, yung mga receivers na may thx, does that mean na thx certified lang sila, or does it mean na they have incorporated thx technology on their products?
btw, yung mga receivers na may thx, does that mean na thx certified lang sila, or does it mean na they have incorporated thx technology on their products?
I think AVRs are primarily intended for HT talaga. Even those AVRs that are supposedly good for stereo (e.g. NAD, HK, Denon) just won't make the cut (parang Masters ito ah ;)) compared to any entry level audiophile stereo setup (excepting of course some really high-end AVRs like Lexicon and Tag McLaren for example).
So with that in mind, I'd get an AVR with top notch HT performance. Then I'd start saving up for a 2nd setup dedicated to music. An integrated amp from Rotel, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, or even NAD plus a really good CD player would do. You can also go on a tube gear odyssey if you are so inclined.
yamaha is still tops in movies...di na nya kailangan ng thx processing,thx certification. if only they can do that well in audio as well.
john,dex,
i agree ang galing talaga nang yamaha sa movies
yamaha is still tops in movies...di na nya kailangan ng thx processing,thx certification. if only they can do that well in audio as well.
john,dex,
i agree ang galing talaga nang yamaha sa movies
Hi Courage,
I learned you use yamaha 1300 before? what set of speakers did you use? Or is anyone out there want to suggest what models/brands of speakers are the best match for this receiver? (for fronts, rear, subwoofer)
I see so pag THX certified ka, para ka lang ISO 9002 certified right? it's like you've attained a certain standard...
anyway, any idea how much the m7c2 or m7c1i
costs here?
one more thing with thx, dapat room mo rin thx certified >:( anyway its all about compromise: some choose one brand over the other based on priorities, if one wants to put emphasis on music and not much on movies they can get a nad, hk or rotel, though they are no slouches in movies either. There are those who prefer movies ...so there's yamaha, denon, onkyo and pioneer. sa mid level lang nagkakatalo coz the flagships for these brands perform way better of course.
actually for yamaha owners relatively speaking the flagship receiver is cheaper than the ones from denon and pioneer..its approximately less than 100k, pioneer and denon's flagships are almost double the price.
bRO,
Courage use to have rx-v520 not 1300...but likewise it is still yamaha..ryt now i am using a yamaha receiver too...the 1300 is really quite on high end side receiver..i suggest you should try to match it with Mission speakers...if i would have he 1300 i will match it with the ff.
Fronts---m74i
Center---m7c2
Surrounds---m71
Rear Center-m7c1i
Subs---Dont have any idea yet...it all depend on my budget he!!he!!
Yamaha and mission hit the right combination
By the way i am using m73i on my fronts driven by rx-v420 which is just enough to drive the m73i..so far no center subs and surround yet...but planning to get one this May or June
bRO,
Courage use to have rx-v520 not 1300...but likewise it is still yamaha..ryt now i am using a yamaha receiver too...the 1300 is really quite on high end side receiver..i suggest you should try to match it with Mission speakers...if i would have he 1300 i will match it with the ff.
Fronts---m74i
Center---m7c2
Surrounds---m71
Rear Center-m7c1i
Subs---Dont have any idea yet...it all depend on my budget he!!he!!
Yamaha and mission hit the right combination
By the way i am using m73i on my fronts driven by rx-v420 which is just enough to drive the m73i..so far no center subs and surround yet...but planning to get one this May or June
qman,bRO,
Courage use to have rx-v520 not 1300...but likewise it is still yamaha..ryt now i am using a yamaha receiver too...the 1300 is really quite on high end side receiver..i suggest you should try to match it with Mission speakers...if i would have he 1300 i will match it with the ff.
Fronts---m74i
Center---m7c2
Surrounds---m71
Rear Center-m7c1i
Subs---Dont have any idea yet...it all depend on my budget he!!he!!
Yamaha and mission hit the right combination
By the way i am using m73i on my fronts driven by rx-v420 which is just enough to drive the m73i..so far no center subs and surround yet...but planning to get one this May or June
Yung mga speakers ba sa itaas match din ba sa HK at sa marantz?
dex,
wala akong makitang mission dito. sa tingin mo kano aabutin ang kumpletong set na binanggit mo? 6.1
got your pm dex
tenx for the info... ang sr700 ay more on movies diba? na-auditioned mo sya with wharf sa movies?
pag na-audition mo siya uli using mission pa post ng findings mo uli.
:D
anong mission iyong na audition mo? iyong 780 narinig mo na? Iyong kappa infinity narinig mo na rin? ano sa lasa mo sa dalawa ang mas okey?got your pm dexIve heard missions being driven by Yamaha, Marantz, HK, Denon, NAD and all i can say is..ganda talaga tumunog ang mission..yan ang pinagiipunan ko ehehehe
tenx for the info... ang sr700 ay more on movies diba? na-auditioned mo sya with wharf sa movies?
pag na-audition mo siya uli using mission pa post ng findings mo uli.
:D
anong mission iyong na audition mo? iyong 780 narinig mo na? Iyong kappa infinity narinig mo na rin? ano sa lasa mo sa dalawa ang mas okey?got your pm dexIve heard missions being driven by Yamaha, Marantz, HK, Denon, NAD and all i can say is..ganda talaga tumunog ang mission..yan ang pinagiipunan ko ehehehe
tenx for the info... ang sr700 ay more on movies diba? na-auditioned mo sya with wharf sa movies?
pag na-audition mo siya uli using mission pa post ng findings mo uli.
:D
Hi mga gurus...I've read a lot of discussion about the pros and cons of the different brands of receivers. Although informative, I feel I'm more confused now on what to get than before I started reading ??? I'm looking for an entry-level receiver with the best value for money. I'll be using it primarily 70%Music/30%HT (I canot afford a separate stereo set-up much as I want to :'(). Can anybody please provide an objective summary comparison of the following entry-level receivers I'm presently considering (MarantzSR4300, Yamaha RXB430, Onkyo TX500?, Denon 1403, and HK2550). Which is the best in terms of:
1. Features
2. Performance
3. Overall value for money
I'll most likely pair them with the custom-made speakers of sir Nirv. Thanks!
Hi mga gurus...I've read a lot of discussion about the pros and cons of the different brands of receivers. Although informative, I feel I'm more confused now on what to get than before I started reading ??? I'm looking for an entry-level receiver with the best value for money. I'll be using it primarily 70%Music/30%HT (I canot afford a separate stereo set-up much as I want to :'(). Can anybody please provide an objective summary comparison of the following entry-level receivers I'm presently considering (MarantzSR4300, Yamaha RXB430, Onkyo TX500?, Denon 1403, and HK2550). Which is the best in terms of:
1. Features
2. Performance
3. Overall value for money
I'll most likely pair them with the custom-made speakers of sir Nirv. Thanks!
courage: saw the rsx-1055 at park square and the guy told me it was around 72k the guy though appeared snobbish and was not quite entertaining so I didn't clarify.
......I'm looking for an entry-level receiver with the best value for money. I'll be using it primarily 70%Music/30%HT (I canot afford a separate stereo set-up much as I want to :'(). Can anybody please provide an objective summary comparison of the following entry-level receivers I'm presently considering (MarantzSR4300, Yamaha RXB430, Onkyo TX500?, Denon 1403, and HK2550). Which is the best in terms of:
Kamusta ang after sales support ng NAD? Saan service centers? What are terms of warranties for receivers?
Hi guys! I'm going to get a new avr for the sole purpose of HT only. Between the Yamaha RXV-530 and Marantz SR4300, which of the two would likely fit the category?
guys,
if you were to choose between hk 3550, NAD T741 Marantz 4300 and denon 1803, which of the four would you put on your toplist as the best receiver in terms of musicality, movies and price? Features are not much of my consideration.
BTW, the speakers to be matched with these receivers are mission speakers. tnx.
guys,
if you were to choose between hk 3550, NAD T741 Marantz 4300 and denon 1803, which of the four would you put on your toplist as the best receiver in terms of musicality, movies and price? Features are not much of my consideration.
BTW, the speakers to be matched with these receivers are mission speakers. tnx.
If features is not a factor and the only considerations are music, HT and price
Let's put some numbers:
HK3550 is 21.5k
NADT741 is 23.5k
Marantz4300 is 15.5k
Denon1803 is 24k
Music - all of them are good, but will pick-up HK3550
HT - HK3550 is the only contender to yamaha in HT
Price - see the figure above
My rating:
HK3550 - total 261
music - 100
HT - 100
price - 61
Marantz - total 250
music - 90
HT - 60
price - 100
NAD - total 208
music - 90
HT - 70
price - 48
Denon - total 205
music - 90
HT - 70
price - 45
So looks like you have 2 sets of choice:
best options - either marantz 4300 or HK3550
seconds - either Denon or NAD
Also, if HT and music will carry more weight for you, HK is the choice - but if price will have heavier impact, then marantz
Denon and NAD, for price and performance, may not be worth it - unless they will be put on sale.
Again, this is comparaison based on 3 categories specified - music, HT and price (no features whatsoever other than related to the three items indicated).
just 2 warn u,marantz is a oem products,labeled marantz.Don ka na sa cgurado.
Julsp
I'll chose HK, Nad and Marantz for sound ( stereo and HT ) heard Mission paired with the abovemention AVR all sounded sweet
Mission M72i / Marantz heard it at Hyperaudio
Mission M73i / NAD before sa bahay
Mission M73i / HK now sa bahay hehehe ;D
If features is not a factor and the only considerations are music, HT and price
Let's put some numbers:
HK3550 is 21.5k
NADT741 is 23.5k
Marantz4300 is 15.5k
Denon1803 is 24k
Music - all of them are good, but will pick-up HK3550
HT - HK3550 is the only contender to yamaha in HT
Price - see the figure above
My rating:
HK3550 - total 261
music - 100
HT - 100
price - 61
Marantz - total 250
music - 90
HT - 60
price - 100
NAD - total 208
music - 90
HT - 70
price - 48
Denon - total 205
music - 90
HT - 70
price - 45
So looks like you have 2 sets of choice:
best options - either marantz 4300 or HK3550
seconds - either Denon or NAD
Also, if HT and music will carry more weight for you, HK is the choice - but if price will have heavier impact, then marantz
Denon and NAD, for price and performance, may not be worth it - unless they will be put on sale.
Again, this is comparaison based on 3 categories specified - music, HT and price (no features whatsoever other than related to the three items indicated).
guys,
thanks for your replies. Currently, i am using a denon 1403 (60w/ch at 8 ohms) matched with mission speakers. The combination of this setup is really ok except that my M73 doesnt provide a deep bass. I have already loaded sand as per instruction from the manual of this M73 and on my way to bi-wiring it. If things dont change after bi-wiring it, my 1403 probably is having a hard time driving the floorstanders. I might be forced then to buy HK3550 or 2550 if my budget wont allow me. I am really impressed with the performance of HK receivers.
Ehehehehehe...nice na nice talaga ang setup mo pare..inggit ako sa Mission mo
Juls,
My m73i gives a good bass despite being driven by yamaha ( 65w/ch at 8 ohms) I guess you have a quite big room or your satisfaction for bass is different from mine thats why you said the m73 doesnt give enough bass for you even you already tweaked it ;) Everytime i play Blade 2 the bass of m73i is really noticebly good
DEX
HK2550 has no 5.1 input - just optical.
Should this be a cause for concern? I'm choosing between HK2550 and Sr4300 but am leaning towards the HK primarily because it's supposedly good in music as well as HT vs. the Marantz which is good in music but so-so in HT.
jarius,
ano na napili mong avr, hk ba o marantz?
the custom made bookshelves sound way better and easier to drive IMHO :)
Hi Heps, Welcome to Pinoydvd,
I have to merged your thread to avoid duplications and to put together all comparisons in a single thread. This will prevent clutter.
Why dont you consider the Denon 1803 instead of the 1802. Compared with the Marantz the Denon is a higher model. Im using 1803 and Im very satisfied with its performance. Just my 1 cent.
Levi
Thanks for the tip but I'm limited to choose from a marantz 4300, denon 1802,or any other value for money A/V receivers under 16K.
The denon 1803 is out of my budget.
Hard to decide! Your comments pls.
I plan to buy an a/v receiver.
I can’t decide which model performs better; Denon 1802 or the Marantz sr4300.
I'm aware that the Marantz has more features than the denon 1802 but I'm after the sound quality for HT.
Will use this with my exsisting M70 series.
Honestly just starting out w/ the hobby ???so my listening can't tell...
Your advice will be appreciated.
spectra at park square, 17k
Guys,
Mission and HK combination. Ok ba?
My plans:
1. Replace my denon 1403 with HK 2550
- IMHO, my mission and denon combi sounds really good. However, I am thinking of getting HK receiver because of its High Currency power and its 192khz/24bit capability.
OR
2. Replace my akira dvd player with HK 21
- I like HK 21 because of it 192khz/24bit capality. Its color also matches my black denon. My denon has 5.1 analog input, thus, I might be able to avail the benefit of this high DAC rate.
I need your advice. Please help! TNX.
courage,
The plans i presented are alternative. I hope to be enlightened by your opinion on what is the best choice between the two proposition. Tnx.
In addition to the two, never to replace my units and follow the advice in this site http://www.whathifi.com/newsMainTemplate.asp?storyID=37&newssectionID=3 . ;D
courage,
The plans i presented are alternative. I hope to be enlightened by your opinion on what is the best choice between the two proposition. Tnx.
In addition to the two, never to replace my units and follow the advice in this site http://www.whathifi.com/newsMainTemplate.asp?storyID=37&newssectionID=3 . ;D
Guys, gusto kong i-upgrade ang current receiver ko (Marantz SR7300) to Nad T762. Any comments. Bili ko sa SR7300 is $950 (singapore dollor) tapos ang presyo ng T762 is $1,550 (singapore dollar). Is this a wise decision? Gusto ko ang sound ng Marantz together with my Kef Q1 + Kef Q9c + Kef Cresta 2. Nung binili ko sya last December ay hindi pa lumalabas ang T762 and comparing it with other receivers (Yamaha and Denon), malayong malayo ang ganda ng sound ng SR7300 sa kanila. Pero first choice ko pa rin ang NAD with my speakers. Baka mag-upgrade na in ako ng mains ko to Kef Q7 within the year kaya excited akong bilhin yung T762. Appreciate anyones comment on my plan.
I may sell my Marantz SR7300 or just give it to my brother. Uuwi ako sa Sept sa Pilipinas and kung ibebenta ko dyan, magkano kaya ko sya pwedeng ibenta? thanks.
julsp168 - for me the HK and mission combo sounds AWESOME!!!!!
especially with a limited budget....
Dats my set-up right now...
av_phile,
what i know is NAD has always under declared their power ratings when in actual tests done, their power is a lot higher.
av_phile,
what i know is NAD has always under declared their power ratings when in actual tests done, their power is a lot higher. Anyway, di ako masyadong interesado sa mga rating na yan lalo na nung narinig ko yun lumang SR7200. Ang test ng Sound&Vision ay 29watts/channel (all channel driven) at nag ki-clip na raw but I have heard this baby and the sound is much much better than the other receivers they tested with higher power rating.
as for Rotel, siguradong maganda ito kaso sobrang mahal naman.
MODERATORS,
Bakit naman nyo inalis yung tread ko at isiningit dito na parang generic na tread. Hindi man lang ako sinabihan at kailangan ko pang hanapin ito. I would have just added my post in this thread kung gusto ko but I don't want it included kaya gumawa ako sarili ko. You are limiting the number of users seeing my subject therfore less din ang makakabasa and makaka reply!!!
WE have a list of merged thread. You should first check if you cant find your thread. Let me put it this way. If we wont merge threads, imagine how many new threads can be created comparing all receivers available in the market. Even if you have your own thread baka page 5 na yan after 3 hours. No one will really bother to answer your thread if its in page 5. Another reason for merging is to avoid redundant thread. If we put all related discussions under a single thread then a member will only have to check one thread and get all the answers he needs. There are members who can give good explanations but is not always online. You might miss that opportunity if it is going to be an individual thread. Imagine researching for a certain topic and the good answers are spread in 21 pages and during the time your thread is on top, only a handful of members are available to help you. Thank you
Levi
Pare, I have nothing against your purpose of merging threads especially if you think that it'll help other people. But I beg to disagree on some of your points above. Every new topic can not be simply added/merged in a generic thread. Imagine if that thread reaches 1000 replies and you just merged my thread at the last part. Note that my topic is different. then came 10 new thread with say 1 or 2 replies each in the next 1 or 2 hours. Then you merged all these 10 new thread and add them all after my thread. Most of the people reading this merged thread will simply miss out my thread kasi na baon na sya.
What I am suggesting is let these thread be first read and replied as much people as possible and once they are not moving and you feel that they should be archived, by all means, do so to help others. then you can also inform the thread starter that you are merging his thread for archival and quick reference for other people's use.
regarding yung concern mo na mababaon sa ibang pages. that is true but at least whoever comes in can easily scan all the topics he/she chooses to view. at kung talagang maraming traffic sa forum at madaling mapunta sa ibang pages yung thread, a good topic/issue will always stay on top (at least for sometime) due to people's reply (correspondence). kapag nabaon ang isang thread, responsibilidad na ng thread starter to resurrect his thread by adding new posts doon sa thread or opening a new thread. I really think all people should be able to see all recently added and/or replied threads by just looking at the subjects and not go into some generic thread and find out if one of the topics or specific queries inside have any reply or not.
Guys, gusto kong i-upgrade ang current receiver ko (Marantz SR7300) to Nad T762. Any comments. Bili ko sa SR7300 is $950 (singapore dollor) tapos ang presyo ng T762 is $1,550 (singapore dollar). Is this a wise decision? Gusto ko ang sound ng Marantz together with my Kef Q1 + Kef Q9c + Kef Cresta 2. Nung binili ko sya last December ay hindi pa lumalabas ang T762 and comparing it with other receivers (Yamaha and Denon), malayong malayo ang ganda ng sound ng SR7300 sa kanila. Pero first choice ko pa rin ang NAD with my speakers. Baka mag-upgrade na in ako ng mains ko to Kef Q7 within the year kaya excited akong bilhin yung T762. Appreciate anyones comment on my plan.
I may sell my Marantz SR7300 or just give it to my brother. Uuwi ako sa Sept sa Pilipinas and kung ibebenta ko dyan, magkano kaya ko sya pwedeng ibenta? thanks.
Which one should I choose? Both are selling for roughly P21,000. I have no immdeiate plans of upgrading the speakers.
Philander,
nagdadalawang isip din ako kung justifiable ba yung dollar difference ng NAD. I really like the sound of T762 pero i don't know kung worth it sya. my wife will also kill me kpag nakita nya itsura ng NAD, hehehe.
yung sa akin is not the OSE model. what is good about the SR7300 that came out here in singapore is that they do not exhibit the hiss tone problem other regions were experiencing.
magkano ba ngayon dyan ang 7300? presyo lang yata ng SR5300 (bnew) yung 25K and this model is made in china.
john,
hhhmmm, paano ko ba sasagutin ang suggestion mo....
gusto ko kasi ang 2 channel as well as multi channel. dati akong hifi lang ang lately lang pumasok sa HT. syempre, as much as possible gusto ko yung receiver na pwede for both. pero again, dapat reasonable yung price at kailangan pang i-aaprove ni kumander yan, hehehe.
kung gagamit ako ng integrated amp for all 7 speakers, sobrang mahal na sya. kung retain ko marantz and add an integrated amp for my mains, 6.1 pa rin ang maximum kong setup. kung sa NAD T762 naman, default amp palang for its 6.1 channels will already be good. tapos kung dadagdagan ko sya ng intergrated amp for the mains, I can re-assign the internal amps to power sourround channels making 7.1 setup.
di talaga ako maka-decide. gusto ko pa naman yung CSII ng SR7300 and wala nito ang NAD.
about the manufacturing place, although some will say mentality lang yun (especially if you talk to Chinese and Malaysian people) I still believe quality is more and their expertise especially in highends are still better in Japan (compared to China and Malaysia). Based din sa experience ko kaya ko nasabi ito, on general mas nag la-last sa akin ang mga made in Japan
thanks a lot superman
i know what you mean that its all up to me, actually i came from a denon 2802 but i sold them coz i just got myself a front projection system, now that i hve some extra money, im thinking of gettine one anew (im using a HTIB with no DTS, kinda miss my old setup hehehe)
im also a former DM303 user that's why im thinking of switching to mission this time
id like to know if the marantz and missions are dependable and are of good quality? nde na kasi ako masyado updated eh
thanks
m72 for surrounds might be overkill - i'm using m71's right now and feel that they are under utilized. might go fo another pair of m70's just so i can use the m71's for a separate audio set-up (only cost is keeping me from doing that right now: new amp, cd player, etc.)
for a center - an m7c2 would be great for the m74, but an m7c1 would be more than adequate :)
ok ang mga Harman Kardon!
ok ang mga Harman Kardon!
O sige pagbibigyan kita.
First, before I bought yamaha 630, I have clear things in my mind what I want.
- third, when 630 came out, it is easily became a hit itself, a 5-star hifi and EISA choice among known AV receivers.
- fourth, have not settled with 530, since I need a pre-out from AVR. My positioning of my 630 is of pre/pro. Ask av_phile about this. I have raised a possibility of powering my 630 as pre/pro using identical high power branded amps from pier because I have a feeling that those amp in pier is far more powerful than these recent AVR and at a much cheaper cost.
- sixth, I am aware that 630 is as good (or as bad) as other consumer mid or low entry AVR, that it might be 40-50wpc on 6channel (which has been the findings on the earlier AVRs). however, I am not fond of center channel, and rear channel, so atmost, my 630, even if used as AVR amp itself, using the findings in the URL above, will pump 56wpc x 4.
- seventh, being practical audiophile cynic (he he he), the wattage issue in this URL is not much of an advantage or disadvantage. for the simple reason that listening levels (as I said in 1 of my post) kung bingi ka this is about 20-30 watts. my listening level is typically, about 10-20watts. thus, even at 37wpc on 6 channel, it is still half of the capacity of yamaha 630. You only reach the full potential of whatever high power (50 - 60 -70 -80 - 90 - 100 watts ) you have if you are feeling crazy, driving your amp and speaker to its limits for the sheer fun of it, other than that, I dont know
- eighth, will not argue with you on yamaha position in the HT arena, will just let you go to comparison test of reputable and respectable audio sites
- ninth, oh boy, you can play a lot of things (DSP variations) in my yamaha, during days you have nothing productive to do than indulge yourself to any type of "nirvana" that comes to your head
- tenth, if it still power consumption or watts per channel your only issue in buying your AVR, we are not on the same camp
HK win the Hearts of many people because of test showed that its declared power is lesser than the measured power.
HK declares a conservative power and there actual power is somewhat higher. And that made them being loved by HT Fanatics.
Wow, mukha magandang strategy yan ha.
"Alright R & D Team I want you to make a receiver which has a power of 90W x 6. But please, oh please when you document the specifications and include that in the Instruction Manual just say 75W x 6, ok team?
Do you get my point?
No offense.
oh, hk's no slouch either, sayang di raw sensible ang reviews sabi ng iba dyan kaya sorry na lang daw. oh and their amps are quite capable...but they aren't operating under class A as one kept on insisting before ;D the previous sentence is not meant to bash hk b4 u react guys..just clearing some misconceptions :)
It really interests me how come, despite this tech discussion and ampacity rating thats seems good in paper, is not consistently reflected in side-by-side reviews of AVR of which HK is one of the participants.
I just came across 1 head-to-head review where HK top it but by a small margin - but normally HK is basically overtaken by either marantz or Denon in musicality, and by Yamaha in HT.
I mean, these people have standards of measurement and have all reference gadgets to put all AVR in equal footing, and all thing being equal in test labs or listening room, have to be tested one by one and their merits compared. And they are not alone to vote for the best also.
I just came to think that perhaps, all this are just marketing gimmicks by HK, and maybe marketing gimicks by respective review organization of which all AVR manufacturers are involved (including HK for this matter)....
My comments on new Yamaha receivers x40 series.
About the hoopla on high current:
- Yamaha receivers have been a good receivers that publishes accurate ratings (e.g. 630 though rated 75Wpc can pump up to 88Wpc at .06%THD).....
.....
The sound that some guys in this thread experimented with various AVR and made declaration their HK is better than Yamaha (or NAD or Pioneer or Denon and so on) is threading on a subjective issue of their tone inclination, not the strength or weakness of receivers. And if they want to debate it, i will not join them in this thread. I have read enough crap of so called "audiophiles" from this forum. And we have another one here advocating the fraud cable in his speaker. I can not blame him because he paid good money for cable which can be bought for P30 per meter. I hate to hurt his sense of dignity in admitting it was a rip off.
Of course, let it not be assumed that low cost RX-V430 is better then their HK 2550. The fact is RX-V430 is best valued than HK2550 around the world. I will not say HK is bad value than Yamaha - but I seldom see HK in many sensible and reputable reviews beating Yamaha. It is the other way around! Sorry HK lovers, this is diamond thread.....
HK win the Hearts of many people because of one of the many reasons that it shows a higher power than the declared specs.
HK declares a conservative power and there actual power is somewhat higher. And that made them being loved by HT Fanatics.
Wow, mukha magandang strategy yan ha.
"Alright R & D Team I want you to make a receiver which has a power of 90W x 6. But please, oh please when you document the specifications and include that in the Instruction Manual just say 75W x 6, ok team?"
Do you get the point?
No offense.
This is a good example. the HK2550 is rated 50wpc (2 channels). the homecinemachoice tested this amp can reach 75wpc at 8ohms before clipping. If you look at the manual, the power consumption is 72W idle/ 580W maximum (2 channels - only - driven). So where is the other 430watts - could it be a typographical error?Again, this is not bashing HK - it is just my observation.
as ive said, power is not all to it, we're setting up HTs here not mobile/discos...cheers!
£0.02
At least, now, we can blame some manufacturers for not telling the true ratings of their avrs (kailangan pang i-test ng iba para malaman ang true ratings nila) and be at peace with each other. ;D
Actually minsan totoo naman ang sinasabi nila eh, for example sinabi nilang 100 watts per channel ang isang AVR tapos 6 channel, well hindi naman nila inindicate na 100 watts all channels driven and maybe that 100 watts is kung isang channel lang ang dinadrive so they are still correct, thats what i read about how they rate their AVR's so better to look for specs na nagsasabing all channels driven..kasi magtataka ka kung bakit sila hindi sinisita..
Imagine at 580W Power Consumption and watching movies for 2hrs using your HT Setup (Average Length of Movies) para ka na ring nagplantsa ng 1hr.
Anyway, if you're comfortable with that, no prob. if not, kaunti tipid. just like hans. he he.
No Prob Jofkevski.
Ganoon ba nakalagay sa HK Manual? 580W consumption at Stereo mode? Wow, Flat Iron nga 1000W consumption and if use for 1hr, 1kw-hr agad iyon.
580W at Stereo Mode is too much power being eaten.
So far only HK publishes Idle Mode Power Consumption and that is 72W. Kahit nakatunganga lang receiver and walang signal na pina-process kumakain ng 72W?
That's strange. Saan niya gagamitin iyon?
Sa LCD? Lights? Where?
Imagine at 580W Power Consumption and watching movies for 2hrs using your HT Setup (Average Length of Movies) para ka na ring nagplantsa ng 1hr.
Anyway, if you're comfortable with that, no prob. if not, kaunti tipid. just like hans. he he.
Actualy kung babasahin mo yung specs, tapos nakalagay na 780 watts maximum consumption, aabot ka lang sa 780 watts kung full power mo pagaganahin yung AVR, means kung todo ang volume, but kung normal listening lang. hindi naman kokonsumo yung AVR mo nang 780 watts..
Ull notice this if u compare the heat build up at lower volume and higher volume, mas madaling uminit pag malakas volume mo kasi its consuming lots of power..
NAD T752 vs. HK AVR5500
Ano ba ang major differences ng sound quality ng dalawa (especially in 2-ch audio)? Ano ang mas preferred niyo? Thanks!
Ok. Medyo O.T., how do you exactly define a "laid-back" sound? What is being laid-back, the instruments, vocals, etc?
Medyo naguguluhan lang kasi ako. Di ba dapat mas marinig mo yung details pag forward sounding ang AVR? Pasensiya na at medyo ignorante pa dahil newbie :D Thanks!
Is anyone of you knows how much is HK 3550? What store can i find this?
Spectra at parksquare1
Architectural Audio at NewWorld Hotel
price is around 23k
mahal na pala, got mine for 21k 3 months ago ;D
Thanks men!!! Is this model good for both HT and music? ::)
Thanks...
i'm actually new with this and planning to setup a HT. I don't know yet what AVR to use and will choose among the ff:
1. Marantz SR4300
2. Yamaha RXV 540
3. HK 3550
4. Denon 1803
5. Onkyo TX SR600
What you guys think is the best on both HT and Music? I'm still looking for the specs of the abovementioned AVRs.... :-\
Thanks...
i'm actually new with this and planning to setup a HT. I don't know yet what AVR to use and will choose among the ff:
1. Marantz SR4300
2. Yamaha RXV 540
3. HK 3550
4. Denon 1803
5. Onkyo TX SR600
What you guys think is the best on both HT and Music? I'm still looking for the specs of the abovementioned AVRs.... :-\
Thanks...
Philander do you own an AV store?
my friend has an onkyo-601. comments ko lang is that its very good in stereo, siguro sa stereo it would be my second choice to harman kardon sa mga avrs. maganda talaga ang onkyo. but when it came to ht, the sound became thin. read reviews that echo the same sentiment.harman kardon is the best n very powerful
Would like to hear suggestions on these 2 audio receivers, for mid size room?? :-* :-* what speakers can be paired with either of the two??
6 ohm speakers should extract the most power from the Onkyo. 8-ohm speakers from the Yamaha. Check out their minimum speaker load requirements at the back. KEF Q series, Wharfedale Diamond or Evolution series for Onkyo. Missions for Yamaha. Many more for either out there. Just audition and let your ears be the judge.will you go for the onkyo 801 (new) vs. yamaha rxv1400? using mission speakers?
Offhand. while I prefer the sound of the Onkyo, the newer Yamaha series may be an improvement over their preceding seiries in this regard. And this yamaha model seems to be loaded with more features.
my friend has an onkyo-601. comments ko lang is that its very good in stereo, siguro sa stereo it would be my second choice to harman kardon sa mga avrs. maganda talaga ang onkyo. but when it came to ht, the sound became thin. read reviews that echo the same sentiment.so what do you suggest for ht, using 60% video, 40% audio... yamahat rxv1400? or other models?pls. recommend..
para sa akin dalawa lang pagpipilian ko, Ill go 1st with an HK Receiver then with the Yamaha rxv1400. HK or Yamaha for me, but as i alway say, its just me :) cheers
so what do you suggest for ht, using 60% video, 40% audio... yamahat rxv1400? or other models?pls. recommend..
Basta ako HK All The Way!!!!! ;D >:D O0made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!
it doesnt matter kung sa china na gawa ang HK it still follows quality standard of it and assemble lang ang ginagawa sa china
made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!
made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!
made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!
Nothing against china made but di ba mas mahal ang european or japanese made?? you pay for quality, maging speakers or avr....cguro hopefully in 5 yrs. at par with the europeans na ang china...walang personalan bro.. ;) ;) :D
bro, nakakasakit ka naman ng damdamin nyan eh...
sa panahon ngayon di ka na makakaiwas sa mga gawang chekwa.
:-* ::)
Nothing against china made but di ba mas mahal ang european or japanese made?? you pay for quality, maging speakers or avr....cguro hopefully in 5 yrs. at par with the europeans na ang china...walang personalan bro.. ;) ;) :D
made in china kasi HK and di ko type features nya!!
can anybody help me suggest which is better for 60%video and 40%audio, the onkyo 801 or yamaha rxv 1400, plan to match it with mission volare or 780 se speakers..
Thanks bro O0, yung mission torn between ako sa mission volare v61 or the 780se, do you have an opinion on this??have auditioned it both and parehong maganda e..sabi ni stuazon pag ht he will go for volare, pag audio kay 780se daw...ur comments pls.
I'll take the Yamaha 1400 anytime. But I think Onkyo 801 will be better with Missions. Still I'll choose Yamaha 1400.
Just me.
Nothing against china made but di ba mas mahal ang european or japanese made?? you pay for quality, maging speakers or avr....cguro hopefully in 5 yrs. at par with the europeans na ang china...walang personalan bro.. ;) ;) :D
Thanks bro O0, yung mission torn between ako sa mission volare v61 or the 780se, do you have an opinion on this??have auditioned it both and parehong maganda e..sabi ni stuazon pag ht he will go for volare, pag audio kay 780se daw...ur comments pls.
You may want to be guided by what has guided me as well: "What is good for music is good for HT. Not the other way."
Definitely consider onkyo, but the higher series, if no budget restraint I suggest take the onkyo txnr-900, walang sinabi yung yamaha rxv1400, go to sonny tuazon home theater in Makati, tel 8138443... you can audition both...to hear is to believe :D ;) :)
mga sir, kung papipiliin kayo alin ang mas okey sa dalawa NADT573 or HK330? ::)
Thanks!
guys im in the market to get a new avr on the 20t below price, im choosing hk 130 what you guys think? recommend me other brands pls. ty btw im using a denon 1602 nowur not gonna regret it if u will buy it
guys im in the market to get a new avr on the 20t below price, im choosing hk 130 what you guys think? recommend me other brands pls. ty btw im using a denon 1602 now
ur not gonna regret it if u will buy it
most of my friends r using hk
sorry im not the owner of spectra
Are you the owner of Spectra?
Hi need help on deciding a receiver for HT
I'm currently planning to upgraed my old onkyo amp to a new one, I'm not into music so I'll use my setup purely for ht.
I'm thinking between yamaha 640 and harman 3550, which one will perform better in terms of ht?
Hi need help on deciding a receiver for HT
I'm currently planning to upgraed my old onkyo amp to a new one, I'm not into music so I'll use my setup purely for ht.
I'm thinking between yamaha 640 and harman 3550, which one will perform better in terms of ht?
Mga Sirs,
I'm just a new member here. Although, I often visit and read forums on Pinoydvd ngayon lang ako nag sign-in.
Question lang po. I'm planning to get a Pioneer Elite 53TX. How does it compares to onkyo TX SR 800, HK5550 in terms of HT and Music. 50/50 kasi gusto ko, I want to maximize my set-up and I listen to all types of music.
Thanks.
Hello! im contemplating on which receiver to buy..........try going to spectra @ parksquare 1 he'll give you the best price
any opinions??
my room is 14sqm
ill probobly buy wharfe diamond 8's.....
should i go 7.1 ???
Do you know where i can get the cheapest price for any of this two items........
thanks
Hello! im contemplating on which receiver to buy..........
any opinions??
my room is 14sqm
ill probobly buy wharfe diamond 8's.....
should i go 7.1 ???
Do you know where i can get the cheapest price for any of this two items........
try home theater of s tuazon tel.8138443.
thanks
These particular models of NAD and ARCAM are not only made in China, they are made by the SAME factory, according to a member in an ecoustics forum. (Where's the spirit of competition? ;D)
Let me sound like a broken record: "Very soon everything will be made in China. Except babies."
Yeah, I would guess only the top models are made with the usual costs of labor. I wonder if the smaller parts used though are any different from each other? :)
Yeah, I would guess only the top models are made with the usual costs of labor.
How in the world will these two different brands have the same design
and lay-out when they are developed by, say, each product development group.
Maybe, one is a subcon of the others. Or a sister company?
Japanese brands do not practice this. Look at the Japanese brands of AV receivers. walang magkakamukha. am i right?
Has anyone own/seen this receiver? What can you say?
§ 2-Mic input
i WOULD DEFINITELY GO FOR ONKYO, TRY THEIR TXNR 900, I THINK THEIR ON SALE RIGHT NOW , U CAN GET IT ABOUT 50K, CHEAP CONSIDERING DATI 70K PLUS YAN. ;) ;) O0
Tip: There will be an upcoming sale at Digital Dreams, SM North EDSA. HK 330 will be on sale for 29k. Tel 929-6287. Original SRP is 36k.i think its not only digital dreams all of its dealer i think
can you please give a more definite date on the sale.i think it started last month @ spectra makati then continued on up to now
thanks & have a nie day.
comparing the 2 models you mentioned... i'd go for the HK330 anytime... without blink of an eye ::)
guys am new in this forum. am planning to get AVR basically for home theater.
am looking at Denon AVR 1804 and Harman Kardon AVR 330.
any advise on which is better or recommendable. thanks
gurus,
if am not mistaken me nakausap ako about HK AVR, hes a dealer in hk, sabi nya medyo kulang lang daw sa watts ang, ok lang ba ito??
thanks
san po makakakuha ng HK na avr na good price?? what store??
thanks
san po makakakuha ng HK na avr na good price?? what store??try going to spectra @ parksquare 1 n look for jim
thanks
I'm going to upgrede my Denon 1803 next week I still havent decided which one to get I need your opinion on this...both products are very good i suggest try to audition it both side by side and through this way you'll be able to determine which one is better
Denon 3805 - P 55,667.00
Harman Kardon AVR 630 - P 52,000.00
My Denon 1803 is for sale PM me ur offer
how about hk330 vs. onkyo sr-701? any comments? ???definitely i'll still go for HK
I'm going to upgrede my Denon 1803 next week I still havent decided which one to get I need your opinion on this...
Denon 3805 - P 55,667.00
Harman Kardon AVR 630 - P 52,000.00
My Denon 1803 is for sale PM me ur offer
Boss,
I'm kind of new here. I know this is off the topic.
I just want to know what you mean with PM?
Thanks
thanks for the advise sir. ;D but why HK isn't onkyo sr-701 is thx approve ??? can you advise me more? don't have idea w/ receiver. :-\
thanks.
thanks for the advise sir. ;D but why HK isn't onkyo sr-701 is thx approve ??? can you advise me more? don't have idea w/ receiver. :-\
thanks.
I'm going to upgrede my Denon 1803 next week I still havent decided which one to get I need your opinion on this...
Denon 3805 - P 55,667.00
Harman Kardon AVR 630 - P 52,000.00
My Denon 1803 is for sale PM me ur offer
sir hans & adrianne, thanks for your opinion....
definitely I will audition both of them.... :)
now to save some more money for it.... :)
may SARS na naman yata ako.... ::) ::)
hi guys. i'm still contemplating on whether to get the onkyo tx-sr502 or yamaha rx-v450.well super sayang talaga ur gonna regret not buying harman kardon
di ko kaya yung hk avr230/330, la na sa budget. :P
btw, i'm using bose 301 speakers for fronts, bose center speaker, and polkaudio r15 for surrounds.
need your suggestions on which receiver is the perfect match for my speakers. thanks. :)
If he wont hear a Harman then ok lang.
If based on pure power specs - I will go to SONY. ::)
If based on flexibility - I will go to Kenwood (for the pre-outs). :o
If I will select between the two, I will get my favorite CD and hear both of them in the same speaker. The one that satisfy my ear better will be my choice. 8)
If I will be buying any gear, I will just wait for a member to put his better gear on sale and still save on the process. ;D
How about other brands like HK or Denon? It will give him more options.
I need a last minute advice from you guys please help me out on this before I decide to purchase a new receiver.try auditioning both the amplifier @ spectra parksquare 1
Do I go for Denon AVR - 3805?
or
Do I go for Harman Kardon AVR - 630?
Performance, Features, Looks and Price Wise?
Btw, I will pair this with my Mission Speakers.
Thanks! :)
I need a last minute advice from you guys please help me out on this before I decide to purchase a new receiver.the new stocks of 3805 just arrived yesterday
Do I go for Denon AVR - 3805?
or
Do I go for Harman Kardon AVR - 630?
Performance, Features, Looks and Price Wise?
Btw, I will pair this with my Mission Speakers.
Thanks! :)
I need a last minute advice from you guys please help me out on this before I decide to purchase a new receiver.
Do I go for Denon AVR - 3805?
or
Do I go for Harman Kardon AVR - 630?
Performance, Features, Looks and Price Wise?
Btw, I will pair this with my Mission Speakers.
Thanks! :)
magkano po naman sir ang Denon AVR-3805?59T cash price
thanks,
:)
They are both 7.1 receivers of nearly the same heft and weight. Performance and Power-wise, I'd get a Harman. Based on the looks and features department, I'd get the Denon (especially if it's all black ;D) But that's just me.
Looking at their downloaded PDF users manual. Here are some observations based purely on their published specs (their promises)
From
Denon site:
http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/AVR3805%20DFU.pdf
HK site:
https://www.hci-services.com/tech_doc/documents/harman%20kardon/Home/Electronics/AVR/AVR%20630/Owner%27s%20Manual/AVR630_English.pdf
In Terms of Power
Power consumption:
HK: 1040 watts maximum (with all channels driven)
Denon: 7.1A at 120VAC or 852watts (assumed to be maximum)
Rated output power:
HK: 75watts per channel into 8 ohms x 7 or 525watts total
Denon: 120watts per channel into 8 ohms x 7 or 840 watts total
I don't see how Denon can deliver more power than the HK with ALL channels driven when its power consumption is a lot less than that of the HK. I would guess from those figures that the HK may even sound more detailed and powerful. HK may have an edge in terms of its ability to supply transient dynamic power even at rated power. This is actually my favourite complaint against these power specs measured under different conditions. An apples to apples comparison is often impossible. But their power consumption often belie their claims. HK's total rated output power is well within its total power consumption, plus taking into consideration the power needed for heat dissipation or losses as well as transients. Denon has no such allowances as rated. With class A/B amps, power efficiency is identical and you normally should have a power transformer rated at twice the intended power output, at least. An amp that consumes only 852 watts can NEVER deliver the claimed 840 watts of output. Hence, the HK is conservatively power rated. The Denon is not.
BUT...if your listening habbit doesn't require you to drive the receiver's amps to high volumes, nor use speakers that are exceptionally difficult to drive, the above consideration may not be material. Manufacturers are very well familiar with this, so they can over-rate their gears knowing fully well that normal listening levels don't require their gears to pump out all that power. But in case you do, the HK will deliver AS PROMISED in their specs. Denon will probably sound just as powerful. But for sure this Denon model cannot sound more powerful than the HK model as their power ratings would suggest, compared with the HK's.
In terms of other audio features
S/N, THD, and frequency responses vary just a bit between the two, but they are not that substantial. HK has a wider bandwidth, but for me a 30khz difference above 100khz is not that material. And their reckoning points are also different. One is measured at the 1W level, the other is silent. They both start out at 10Hz, their -3db points, presumably. Excellent enough-something that is fairly common with high bandwidth amps. (Just makes me miss some of those old superfeedforward Sansui amps that start at 0 hz or DC all the way to 200khz way back in the 80s.)
HK publishes the slew rates and rise times which to me are about as good as any across many well designed amplifiers. So Denon's silence in this is understandable. Many excellent amps likewise don't see the need publishing slew rates and rise times. They're mostly taken for granted with well-thought-out amps in this price range and above.
Just one caveat again, Denon publishes dynamic power into 2 ohms and 4 ohms. This can be misleading to some consumers who may overlook the "dynamic" qualfication and assume that the receiver can drive 2 ohm or 4 ohm loads. Not true. Denon's explicit injunction to use only 6 ohm speakers and above is quite clear at the back panel and in the spec section. Personally, in the same way that its continuous power measures do, such dynamic power abilities fly in the face of its relatively weak power transformer rating at rated power.
In terms of other features:
Cursory inspection on the manual suggests they both support all the sound formats known to man today - all the suites of DD and DTS modes. Denon, in addition, supports HDCD processing, something that may not matter much as there are not that many HDCD titles. But if you have a digital connection to your CD player that has no HDCD processing, this feature can be a plus for the few titles out there.
Both have multi-zone capabilities for listening to stereo music in another room using another source.
Both have detachable power cords. Something I consider important for easier set-ups.
Both have pre-outs for all channels. Something to look for should you itch to upgrade to a more powerful outboard power amplifiers in the future. Or if you really plan to use the reciever as a separate processor/preamp from the start, like many do.
Both have BY-PASS modes to listen to analog stereo by-passing all digital processing in the other modes. Something I consider important when listening to stereo mode.
Both have an Audio Delay feature that allows you to synchronise the sound with the lip movement in films. There are some DVD materials that exhibit an apparent disparity between lip movements and the voice. This feature will do nicely to correct any perceived sync problems.
Both have an automated room equalization feature that, using a microphone (built into the HK remote), will dgitally sample a feedback of room accoustics to adjust the levels and frequency responses of each channel based on the room's characteristic accoustic conditions. This faciity obviously means that the receiver has its own built-in equalizer PER channel. You can adjust the eq manually as well. Not exactly a favourite of purits audiophiles as they prefer to accoustically treat the rooms rather than equalize electronically to alter the sound signals. But if you're no purist, this is a wonderful feature that can optimize the sounds getting to your ears.
I find the back panel of the Denon more logically laid out with all speaker outlets on one side. Though the power cords above them might prove awkward.
The HK brochure mentions about fan ventillation holes at the back. I assume it has a fan. I am a bit worrisome about this, knowing that fan motors can contribute to the amp's noise floor. I also noticed the HK has a U/L certification (Underwriters laboratories) that specifies the safe heat dissipation in electronic amps for home use. I can thus understand why their recommended load as indicated near the speaker terminals is 8 ohms. Often, passing the UL certification for heat dissipation will require the manufacturer to specify a higher speaker load than what it can drive. So even if it can drive 4 ohm loads, its heat dissipation after a few minutes won't pass UL certification. Denon apparently has no such UL marks.
Denon has the proprietary D-link terminal which I consider important if you have plans to use FULL digital connection to your DVD player's SACD and DVD-A capabilities using DENON DVD players or universals. I am not entirely certain about the extent of the D-link, but I think you only need this link to enable full bass management and channel delay compensation in the digital domain - something that can be critical in listening to multichannel high resolution music. BUT only DENON DVD players have this terminal. Pioneer has an equivalent i-link if not mistaken, so is Meridian. But they're exclusive to the brand, can't talk to each other. These are proprietary connections for FULL video and audio digital connection using just ONE cable. I think the Firewire option is the same.
Denon has a video upconversion feature that can be a real advantage to movie lovers. Regardless of the connection between the player and the AVR (whether composite or s-video), Denon's up-conversion abilities can deliver a better video resolution to the monitor via component cables.
Denon has variable crossover settings between its speakers and sub.
Denon comes with a very attractive and unique remote control with dual large LCD displays. If only for this, I just might get this brand, with all things equal. ;D
Denon has a Phono preamp, HK doesn't. If you are a vinyl lover, HK won't be the way to go, unless you have an outboard phono preamp.
So far, these are my observations based on the downloaded pdf brochure. I may have overlooked some or made some wrong impressions so feel free to point them out. There probably are more differences and similarities. And even among each similarities, there may be differences in terms of user-friendliness or flexibility. The Denon does seem to have more features. I especially like the D-link facility to optimize their equally excellent universal players in the hi-res department. I believe your VALUE perceptions will determine which one is right for you. I probably can't go wrong with either receivers. Nothwithstanding my complaints on the power rating of Denon as published, don't let that get in the way of your decision, as long as you don't expect to use all that power as claimed. Do audition either and get a feel of their sound and their construction and how easy the remote controls are to navigate through. Use a familiar CD or DVD as your test source. Happy hunting.
Just my thoughts.
OT
AV_phile1,
You have not registered for the Grand eb.
Levi
just bought my 3805 at spectra with ae3 and center. so far so good naman. its a good choice
^^ ano speakers gagamitin nyo sir?
^^ ano speakers gagamitin nyo sir?
sir, am presently using Tannoy DC-1000 (lumang model made in UK) for my front; Wharfedale Diamond 6R (lumang model din made in UK) for my rear; Polk Audio CS101 for my center; and just bought Wharfedale sw150 for my sub..... :)
sana matulungan nyo ako sa mga inputs nyo, thanks a lot in advance..... 8)
I find myself contemplating on what to choose between HK130 5.1 and Marantz SR4500 7.1. Marantz is much cheaper 17.5k and also its 7.1 compare to HK130 19k and its only 5.1. Fellow members, please let me know your thoughts...Thanks.. ;D
BTW, Im 50/50 Movie/Audio. Thanks again ;D
bro, i think the marantz sr4500 7.1 has a 192/24 DAC so for me if ever i will upgrade i go for the unit which has higher DAC level to pair with my pioneer 676 which also has 192/24 DAC. -- better for music ;D
sir, am presently using Tannoy DC-1000 (lumang model made in UK) for my front; Wharfedale Diamond 6R (lumang model din made in UK) for my rear; Polk Audio CS101 for my center; and just bought Wharfedale sw150 for my sub..... :)
sana matulungan nyo ako sa mga inputs nyo, thanks a lot in advance..... 8)
For your room size, I would think either the Yamaha or Denon are more than enough in terms of power.
Your 5.1 speakers are as varied as they come. Hope their timbral qualities aren't that different. Check their nominal impedances. Just make sure the receiver you get can handle the various impedances of your speakers for front, center and back.
In terms of bells and whistles, the Yamaha often has more. Personally, I'd prefer a Denon - a brand I know specializes well in home playback and recording systems. But that's just me.
Classicman,
You can't go wrong with a Yamaha, especially in HT. They're well-kown to perform well in this area. And yes, Denon to me is more musical, which is why I prefer it as I am more into music than HT. And since, as you said, you're 80-20 in favor of HT, you've done your selection well. Congrats and happy HTing!! ;D
bro jerix, so you were saying if you were on my case, you'll choose marantz intead ok HK? thanks ;D
bro, probably YES with the MARANTZ with 192/24 DAC. But if HK offers the same feature of DAC and i have more money i go for the HK -- ;D
tanong ko lang mga sirs...talking about DAC's..ano bang DAC's ng HK avr 130? 230? and 330? lahat ba ay 192/24? salamat...
gurus,
please enlighten me, what's the difference between a Dolby Pro-logic receiver with the ones that's Dolby Digital, DTS, etc.
thanks in advance
sir..if you will to choose between marantz 4500 7.1 and the older yamaha rxv1200? in terms of features and use...mga 70 or 60 ht and 40 music... ???
im choosing between marantz 440 6.1 and yamaha 450 6.1...
in terms of usage ...80% HT..20% audio..
please help me in choosing.. TIA!
O0
im choosing between marantz sr4500 7.1 and yamaha rvx450 6.1...
in terms of usage ...80% HT..20% audio..
please help me in choosing.. TIA!
O0
Makasingit nga po :)
Following the principle "If it's good in Audio, it's also good in HT, but not the other way around"[/i], which is widely/highly accepted, isn't choosing a musical (meaning good in audio) receiver the safest way to go?
Ang ibig sabihin ba, ok na sa Audio, ok na sa HT pero talo pa rin ng Yamaha pagdating sa HT yung mga musical receivers?
Something like --
Audio HT
Marantz (or other musical receivers) ***** *****
Yamaha **** ******* ;D
Tama ba?
Cheers!!!
Compaq
Makasingit nga po :)
Following the principle "If it's good in Audio, it's also good in HT, but not the other way around"[/i], which is widely/highly accepted, isn't choosing a musical (meaning good in audio) receiver the safest way to go?
Ang ibig sabihin ba, ok na sa Audio, ok na sa HT pero talo pa rin ng Yamaha pagdating sa HT yung mga musical receivers?
Something like --
Audio HT
Marantz (or other musical receivers) ***** *****
Yamaha **** ******* ;D
Tama ba?
Cheers!!!
Compaq
unless you know how to make Yamaha sound like marantz in music! ;)
Makasingit nga po :)
.., isn't choosing a musical (meaning good in audio) receiver the safest way to go?
i think the musically-lacking yamahas are of previous models. hence, the "If it's good in Audio, it's also good in HT, but not the other way around"[/i] principle.
isn't choosing a musical (meaning good in audio) receiver the safest way to go?
I also believe in the chain but there are different percentage of effects on the system and I believe the receiver is one of the big factor on the sound. I would start with a musical receiver. just my 2 cent.
But you still miss the whole point of this art of listening to music - system matching IMHO! 8)
Aah, talk about system matching, i've already tasted it - Click Me (http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=31736.0)
Isa pang hirit ha ;D
Considering the current pool of available receivers in the market, are you saying that we can't identify a brand which we can refer to as MUSICAL?
Cheers!!!
Compaq
...80% HT..20% audio... -> with this preference i choose yamaha :)
having said so... where can i buy the most reasonably priced yamaha rvx 450 6.1 ?
and for how much ? it is selling for 15k @ The Listening Room...
having said so... where can i buy the most reasonably priced yamaha rvx 450 6.1 ?
and for how much ? it is selling for 15k @ The Listening Room...
Hi again aHobbit,
Agree!!!
It's not really a matter of usage 80%-HT 20%-Audio or 50-50 or 20-80 or 60-40 or 55-45 but System Matching. No offense meant but i'm bothered and fancied with recommendatory posts based only on percentage usage. Actually, i'm not a believer of the principle I mentioned as you can see, my illustration somehow makes fun of the principle. If it's good in Audio, it must be good in HT because the system is (perfectly) matched not just because it's good in Audio ??? So newbies, don't just consider your usage (HT/audio), but consider your other equipments as well. Sorry ha, medyo pinaikot-ikot ko pa :)
Cheers!!!
Compaq
Levi,
This is again relative.
Not all audiophile start with an amp in system building.
I may be biased to say majority - but for consideration - a certain bulk of audiophile start with the speakers, not with the amp. You might belong to the other bulk that start with the amp.
Another thing is that the budget you spend in the chain. Again, the vast users put the bigger budget to the speaker, then the source, then the amp. You as an artist can also alter this sequence - no absolute here but just mention of some specific sequence of budget.
For others, the wire plays a big component in the sound for them to ultimately says it is a night and day difference.
So, depending on your inclination, and depending on which camp your are most influenced with, you tend to follow their practice. So you can always hit one of the chain as the culprit - nobody stopping you there. But to hit that specific equipment is again not an absolute, but rather, your creativity in trying to play the art of system building.
again, a MUSICAL speaker is relative. a MUSICAL receiver is relative. a MUSICAL cable ??? is relatve. The best review of AVR is the one that lists all the components in the chain for it to be meaningful. and for reviews to be useful and applicable to you is if you follow the whole chain used in the assessment. Varying such makes the reviews of no use at all but a reference for a certain synergy setup - nothing more.
It is always a joy to read amp brochure. In the course of reading, I always high light what is a sales pitch for the receiver - the marketing guys polishing the advertisement.
Why do we practice system matching? Just to make sure our whole system setup (the whole chain) will not sound crap. And this is regarless of price point and regardless of our system building inclination. And having the best speaker, or the best musical receiver (for whatever standard you set and relative to what) as you wished is not a guarantee of musical reproduction.
This is my indulgence and my 1 peso! ;D
I think that you are referring to what if I have an existing equipment whether its an amp,speaker,source etc. I can make it whatever I want if I will choose the other equipment Im going to purchase. Im saying what if its my first time buy from scratch, then I mighat as well start with what I want not necessarily starting with the AVR. I had three receivers and two sets of speakers for my HT and they sound differently. Each has its own pros and cons and as much as I would like to avoid changing I cant get the sound that I want.
Because that is what they experienced. They are just sharing and anything from the forum must be taken as a grain of salt. If you think that your Yamaha is musical then enjoy it. My first receiver was a Yamaha then a Denon then an HK. Comparing them gave me different results.
Actually, at the end of the day, you do not need to have a hi-fi set-up in HT. In other words, an HT gear need not be "musical."
I dont think they experienced receiver's musicality without the speaker et.al. ;)
I dont argue with anybody's experience. I think it is only prudent on their part if their intent is to really provide correct info to those honestly asking them (i think, of accurate info) in this forum, for them to share the complete equation as to provide substance for such recommendation. Just my concern to the uninitiated. ::)
Maybe, I am still naive! ;D
I am still thinking whether I will agree with you that anything in this forum MUST be taken as a grain of salt. ???
For not all posts were totally useless, but enlgihtening!
On second thought, I may already probably did on majority of posts! ;D
Anyway, this week is for fish ;D
I dont think they experienced receiver's musicality without the speaker et.al. ;)
I dont argue with anybody's experience. I think it is only prudent on their part if their intent is to really provide correct info to those honestly asking them (i think, of accurate info) in this forum, for them to share the complete equation as to provide substance for such recommendation. Just my concern to the uninitiated. ::)
Maybe, I am still naive! ;D
I am still thinking whether I will agree with you that anything in this forum MUST be taken as a grain of salt. ???
For not all posts were totally useless, but enlgihtening!
On second thought, I may already probably did on majority of posts! ;D
Anyway, this week is for fish ;D
hk 130 ako. cheaper than the two and not much difference in power.
sayang ung 230 kc futureproof na...may pre-out inputs..tapos 6.1 na..
marami pang features..
anong ibig sabihin ng future proof? para san yung pre outs?
For future-proofing purposes, the best value is often to get a good mid-priced receiver with preouts and terminals for firmware upgrade or enternal processors. Many receivers with preouts also make for excellent processor/preamps when mated with better power amps.
I'm still eyeing for HK AVR 330 kaya lang karamihan sa mga napuntahan ko ay out of stock na daw!
so im thinking of buying a Denon AVR 2105 receivers instead.. sa tingin ninyo guyz, which one is better HK or Denon? thanks in advance!
the hk x35s are out. you may want to wait for them. hk's are often associated w/ power. the denons w/ bells and whistles.
Thanks for the replies. actually, takot lang ako mag-audition kasi the last time I did so napabili agad ako on the spot! ;D Mukhang solid ang fan base ng HK a... anyone for the Yamaha or the Onkyo? :)
thanks again bro! bibili na sana ako mamaya ng Denon AVR buti nalang binasa ko post mo! and will wait for the HK AVR 335 to arrive from store shelves.
try to visit architectural audio at greenbelt 1, bro. they carry hk receivers and i assure you they can offer you the best price.
enjoy.
3 Budget Receivers Compared...read on...
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=848&page_number=1
The Lab Tests...
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=844&page_number=1
I just keep wondering, What is the power equivalent of the 75w @ 20hz of the conservatively rated AVR630/635, compared to the Yamaha RX V2500 130w @ 1hz?
Is the HK more powerful?
Due to its high current design? (what is this, anyway?)
Or "all channels driven" thing?
I am choosing between the 2 kasi :)
Which is better?
Max power consumptions:
HK 630 : 1000 W
Yamaha Rx-V1500 : 500 W
Max power consumptions:
HK 630 : 1000 W
Yamaha Rx-V1500 : 500 W
On another note, my friend didnt like the sound of his RXV1300's audio with his Dynaudio A72's but he heard a significant improvement when he switched to HK 635. I think maybe this is because the HK is well suited for the power hungry (as dealers label them) speakers like Dyns and B&W.
Yes, the HK sounds better , but it wasnt night and day difference. And thats coming from a former Yamaha RXV450 - 650 user. I still dont know how the Yamaha 1500 and the 2500 (uses a different chipset daw) will sound versus its counterpart HK430 and 630. I agree with aHobbit, more power nga but the difference wont be that huge.
Yamaha and Denon seem to be very "at it" w/ their new receivers, no?
yup...from experience those speakers really need a lot of watts to sing. congrats on your AVR purchase bro. good choice on the HK. high current amps rock!
Of course, they have to. Or their competitors will eat em alive. 8)
I just keep wondering, What is the power equivalent of the 75w @ 20hz of the conservatively rated AVR630/635, compared to the Yamaha RX V2500 130w @ 1hz?
im considering the two avrs for my home theatre. which of the two would you recommend. whats the good and bad sides?
im considering the two avrs for my home theatre. which of the two would you recommend. whats the good and bad sides?
Tested it last night (audio) with Monitor Audio Silver 6, I havent connected it to my Missions yet (will try that soon). Very nice sound! BUT I have to agree with what was written in many of the posts. The Yamaha X50 series has significant improvement with regards to audio because, as of last night (no tweaks yet, out of the box), the difference between the HK and the last Yammy 650 I was using was not that big IMHO.
Yes, the HK sounds better , but it wasnt night and day difference. And thats coming from a former Yamaha RXV450 - 650 user. I still dont know how the Yamaha 1500 and the 2500 (uses a different chipset daw) will sound versus its counterpart HK430 and 630.
But I feel that the HK kinda lacks the details I heard from my previous Yamaha though. Maybe I just need to tweak it a bit, still havent done the EZset thing. Or maybe I have to use a different wire to enhance the HF in biwiring (using Ixos 6006 for the LF now). Or maybe its because the HK is "warm" that I dont hear the details of my "bright" Yamaha. Or maybe I may actually prefer "bright" for listening purposes.
guys help naman...im choosing between the marantz4500 and denon1705...
wc 1s better considering im into 60/40 more on audio n just a small rum? speakers of choice either wharfes 9.4, 9cs & 9dfs or gales, or any under 20t sana...tnx!
Gee , I found out that I just forgot to tweak the delay distance. It was all set to 3.8 meters and I was only like 2 meters away from the speakers.
Now the HK sounds so good, specially for audio. I have never heard my speakers sing like that before.
Even my M72 bookshelf speakers sounded big. I didnt sound like that on my Yamaha months ago. And the detail on the M72 was also astounding.
is there an hk model for less than 20t?
la po be bnew under 20t? ???
hehehe KT, mukang nangangati ka na talagang bumili bro halos lahat ng thread eh me questions ka....take your time...ang pinakaimportante eh mag-audition ka ng mag-audition dahil dyan mo maririnig kung ano ang gusto mong tunog....:) which is what important dito sa hobby natin....maaaring yung gusto kong tunog eh pangit sa yo eh...
is there an hk model for less than 20t?hk avr135
I brought my friend to my new HT room yesterday. We both changed to HK from Yamaha recently. I was showing him the performance of the HK for HT. After that we both drew the same conclusion:
Yamaha still kicks ass for HT.
There was a difference indeed that I mentioned in the previous posts, about the significant improvement in audio listening from Yammy to HK. But I failed to mention this fact above since I still havent listened to it enough for HT.
Oh well, I just have to compromise. I dont have the budget to have both AVRs for separate HT and audio, hehe.
Matzler,
Thats why some have two separate setup for each purpose. :) :)
You are right! I remember you once advised this route to me. Sometimes I get to think it would have been better to get an entry-mid level Yamaha (v750 to v1500) and a separate audio setup, maybe integrated tube amps na mura lang...
I brought my friend to my new HT room yesterday. We both changed to HK from Yamaha recently. I was showing him the performance of the HK for HT. After that we both drew the same conclusion:
Yamaha still kicks ass for HT.
There was a difference indeed that I mentioned in the previous posts, about the significant improvement in audio listening from Yammy to HK. But I failed to mention this fact above since I still havent listened to it enough for HT.
Oh well, I just have to compromise. I dont have the budget to have both AVRs for separate HT and audio, hehe.
Just curious. What's the difference? Did you do the comparison on the same set of speakers and placement, same room accoustics, same source players and materials. More importanly, blind A/B and level matched?
sorry sir AV, I cant give a detailed explanation for your question about the difference, but our opinion is based more on the "gut feel" of the whole HT or musical experience. All I can describe is "better" or "worse". As of the last EB & speaker shootout at Akyat's place, I was still learning such words as "soundstage", "sibilant", etc etc. :D
But for the room, source and placement, yes it was all the same, but we didnt do a blind A/B, level match test (what is that anyway ;D?)
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nyahahaha! ;D kpag si hans nagbigay ng advise. expect, SARS! ;D
nyahahaha! ;D kpag si hans nagbigay ng advise. expect, SARS! ;D
Si sir Hans pala nagkakalat ng sakit na SARS dito ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Tube gusto mo meron ako kilala turbo charged na. ;) ;) ;)
Double blind A/B test (DBT) means that neither the experimenter nor the subject has any knowledge of the brands being compared and which is under test at any time Simple Blind A/B test mean only the subject doesn't know. Level matched comparison mean the two amps are set in a condition that should yield the same voltage output or simplistically, volume, within a fraction of db difference. As many trials are made usually a minimum of 16 from as many respondents as possible. A score of 50%, 12/16 or higher means there are differences. This is more a statistical exercise that is the only kind of objective comparison accepted in the scientific community. Such test are called bias-controlled - eliminating the effect of personal preferrences, pricing predispositions and brand suggestions.
OTH comparing between two things when you are aware of the brand under test makes the comparison tainted either way. That's called subjective comparison.
Agree that DBT is more objective than other tests but it is not a simple procedure to undertake. It involves not only taking note of scores or frequency or other measurements aside from controlling for subjects and evaluators (those taking the measurements) but many other factors as well. The most important part is testing the statistical significance of the measurements. One test may be valid but one cannot say conclusively that it is reliable. Many tests needs to be conducted to establish the reliability of the results.
But... as I've said before, this hobby is about personal preferrences, biases and opinions. You can claim whatever you heard. It's valid to you, and only you. This hobby is mostly about perosnal indulgences of the ears. No need to prove anything that you already like. SO go ahead and enjoy your tweaks and what have you, as long as you are happy with them, that's all that matters in this personal hobby. ;D Science need not get in the way of our enjoyment of these luxuries. But let's not confuse scientific facts with personal opinions. ;D
Alright, alright sir :D! I now realize I forgot to type a disclaimer to the above statement:
Just our (me & my friend's) 2 cents ;D
Geez, me & my friend are just HT amateurs, cut us some slack sir :) I dont think we would do a complicated & scientific dbt. Our conclusions are based from our own experience with no scientific statistics or back up. But with or without bias, some things, like our conclusion re the Yammy & HK were pretty obvious to us. But like you said, its a matter of personal preferences bias & opinions. So thats all we are trying to convey, our personal opinion. 2 cents again :)
peace sir ;)
Exactly sir Matzter, perhaps like you I am also of the opinion that for ordinary hobbyists like most of us, a DBT is not necessary for most to conclude that one gear sound different than another. DBT is simply too complicated to undertake even for people with know-how.
Alright, alright sir :D! I now realize I forgot to type a disclaimer to the above statement:
Just our (me & my friend's) 2 cents ;D
Geez, me & my friend are just HT amateurs, sir naman :),cut us some slack. I dont think we would do a complicated & scientific dbt. Our conclusions are based from our own experience with no scientific statistics or back up. But with or without bias, some things, like our conclusion re the Yammy & HK were pretty obvious to us. But like you said, its a matter of personal preferences bias & opinions. So actually thats all we are trying to convey, our personal opinion. 2 cents again :)
peace sir ;)
Gurus,
Yamaha 650 or Denon 1905 for HT paired with Wharfedale?
Thanks gurus!
Dun ako sa mas mura ;D
if you may, try to consider hk5500 with wharfe :)
meron sa marketplace na for sale! ;D
Hanep sa plugging ah bro! ;D ;D
You should choose what's best for your ears. If your ears tell you it's Denon, then get Denon.
Para sa akin kc, both are mid-level models made to compete w/ each other. So dun ako sa mas mura. Especially kung malaki ang difference.
Just curious. Was the Denon louder when you auditioned it?
louder???? hmm baka nilakasan nya lang... anyway audtion pa ako!!! heheheh!!
thanks bumblebee
louder???? hmm baka nilakasan nya lang... anyway audtion pa ako!!! heheheh!!
thanks bumblebee
louder???? hmm baka nilakasan nya lang... anyway audtion pa ako!!! heheheh!!I've once proud owner of yamaha -wharf setup, ok siya :) after recently I partial upgraded my system to denon 1905 - wharf setup. And as for my experience while auditioning the 2 yammy 650 against denon 1905 using wharfs, mas ok yung tunog ng denon sa yammy on both ht and music listening. And when listening at almost the same levels of the same sample media on movies and music, medyo may tendency ka talagang ilakas yung denon just because medyo di gaanong matinis yung tunog and bilog yung sound na kahit itaas mo ng itaas ang level hindi ear pearcing yung tunog. Buo pa rin yung mid range at treble part ng frequency.. :) Not unlike sa yammy, may certain characteristics siya na evident sa lahat ng entry and mid level models niya (makalansing ba which is truely good in ht movies) But that's just me.... ;) As far as I can recall medyo kaunti lang yung price difference nilang dalawa . Try The Hometheater and I think Mr. Sonny Tuazon can give you a good offer you can't resist... :)
thanks bumblebee
bro, try mo audition yung Hk ni s2kov...baka magustuhan mo... thanks ;)
am using HK5500 and Wharfedale diamond 8.4's (fronts) and 8.3's (surrounds) solved na - pang matagalan na ito! ;D
I've once proud owner of yamaha -wharf setup, ok siya :) after recently I partial upgraded my system to denon 1905 - wharf setup. And as for my experience while auditioning the 2 yammy 650 against denon 1905 using wharfs, mas ok yung tunog ng denon sa yammy on both ht and music listening. And when listening at almost the same levels of the same sample media on movies and music, medyo may tendency ka talagang ilakas yung denon just because medyo di gaanong matinis yung tunog and bilog yung sound na kahit itaas mo ng itaas ang level hindi ear pearcing yung tunog. Buo pa rin yung mid range at treble part ng frequency.. :) Not unlike sa yammy, may certain characteristics siya na evident sa lahat ng entry and mid level models niya (makalansing ba which is truely good in ht movies) But that's just me.... ;) As far as I can recall medyo kaunti lang yung price difference nilang dalawa . Try The Hometheater and I think Mr. Sonny Tuazon can give you a good offer you can't resist... :)
BTW, I'm on my mid 30's so my prereference might vary to your ears and anybody who loves the yammy against denons... ;D ;D
Denon din ang prefered ko kung yang dalawang receivers ang pagpipilian.... masyado nga akong natitinisan sa Yamaha w/c is okay for HT but pag minsan eh di ako makapanood ng 2-3 movies na straight dahil sumasakit yung ulo ko dahil sa sobrang kalansing....di naman masaya kapag mahina ang volume habang nanonood ka ng movies di ba? Sa Denon medyo balance ang tunog....and besides mas madalas akong manood ng concert dvds sa ngayon.......well rounded tunog nang Denon compared w/ yammys....but this is just my own personal assessment, sana walang ma-offend na Yammy fan, dahil nagkaron na rin ako ng Yammy kasi eh....
di ba puwede i-control or i-tame ang sobrang kalansing ng mga yammy avr via the treble control?
there someone selling yamaha rxv450 these newer than rxv440 right? and thus much better?
im wud like to buy an amplifier/receiver. dahil tight ang budget im choosing between those being sold at buy an sell section of this forum pls help me in choosing between the following..
1. onkyo tx sr501
2. yamaha rx v350
3. yamaha rx v440
4. yamaha rx v800
5. may nakalimutan ba akong ilagay?
thanks guys in advance
meron bro, yung Harman Kardon AVR5500 ;D
I am sure either amp will do fine with your chosen speakers. But just to let you know, Rotel is the official amplifier brand used by B&W to test and voice all their speaker line ups.
BTW, i got a price quote yesterday for these 2 amps from The Home Theater thru the kindness of sir Compaq, and they're just about even mas mahal lang ng konti ang Cambridge Azur 640A..... 8)
baka meron ka friend going to cebu pwede ka pabili. ;D ;D ;D
brod, alam mo naman yung bias ko in favor of the Cambridge Audio. well, if you wanna be just like any Tom, Dick and Harry, then by all means choose the Rotel. they're easy to get and can be had anytime. i had a chance to own one before. though i'm very much satisfied with it, listening to a NAD would later on change my preference and eventually sold the Rotel to acquire the NAD. together with the Cambridge Audio line of amps, these three brands, the Rotel, NAD and Cambridge Audio are all squares in competition with each other. i was in the same predicament before and my curiosity was doused with plenty of useful inputs when i asked the same question at the forum of hifichoice.co.uk where these three brands, together with the NAIM (not yet locally available though), were the preferred brands. Arcam, another UK brand, is a notch higher in their amps. if you are patient enough, you can back track their threads there where i asked the Brits and other members about their preference (my handle is also audioslave). since the Cambridge Audio seems to be the more elusive brand here, you might as well give it a try. as they say, there's a pride of ownership when you own something which the others can't easily get a hand on! parang chicks lang yan, kung mas mahirap kunin, mas masarap ding mahalin! ::) ;D and don't worry about the support services here... Audio Den, the official distributor of the Cambridge Audio brand, can very well take care of its customers! ;)
Try NAD 352CT. Medyo matalim kasing tumunog highs ng B&W. Kung Rotel RA03 kukunin mo baka tiring. For dynamics, clean sounding ok Rotel. But if you want the presentation to be on the warmer and a bit laid back side sa NAD ka.
That's what I'm trying to say. Well said AV_phile!
The HK230 will give you more power for your floorstanders. HK would be good if you listen to music a lot too. But if you are more into HT, Yamaha is very recommended. If you are 50/50 music HT, go for HK.
sir Matz, i totally agree w/ your observation on the Yammy being still the receiver to contend w/ when it comes to HT....... 8)
To all gurus. I'd like to ask your opinion on this. Will there be a huge leap of quality and power difference if I shift from Yamaha Rx-v350 to Hk-135? My drivers are Diamond 9.2, cs and wh2 surrounds.
Yes sir classicman :). I came from Yammy before I went for HK to get a better audio experience.
But if I had a big pocket, I would really go for a Yammy for HT and a separate audio setup w/ tube amps. You get the best of both worlds. But this option is just cost (and in my case- SPACE) prohibitive ;D.
But libre mangarap, haha. I should be posting this in your "dream HT for free" thread ;D.
Based on specs alone, it would be difficult to say. Yamaha rates it power handling using the JETA and DIN standards to come out with 105watts per channel while HK uses the FTC standard to come out more conservatively at 40watts per channel. In adidtion, Yamaha measures the power at a higher THD of 0.9% while HK measures at a lower THD of 0.07%. From the standpoint of power rating alone, I'd pick the more conservative FTC-based HK. There's a good chance the published 40watts of HK can be as powerful as or more than the published 105 watts of Yamaha.
But ofcourse there are other factors to consider and depending on what your definition of quality is, the choice really is a personal one. It all boils down to what you are looking for in a receiver and if you're not happy with your current one. Try auditioning in the same store with the same set of speakers and source player/material so you can better compare.
From what I understand from audioholics, Yamaha's rating is true for 2 channels only. So a 100-watt Yamaha can go 100 watts in stereo, better than the 50 watts x 2 from a 40-wpc HK. The HK will crush the Yamaha when all channels are driven (worst case) but in real world applications, when some channels are rarely used, the fronts can tap the can extra "unused" power of the Yamaha.
I think we can safely say it's for 2, since the FTC have a standard for 2-channel power rating and hindi naman mono ang mga receivers. Sobra naman yung mga manufacturers kung good for mono yung rating nila.
I think we can safely say it's for 2, since the FTC have a standard for 2-channel power rating and hindi naman mono ang mga receivers. Sobra naman yung mga manufacturers kung good for mono yung rating nila.
With the absence of an FTC standard for multichannel amps, some manufacturers are having a field day-everywhere and anywhere.
Question guys:
If I get a Yamaha entry level receiver and connect it to a 5 channel Harman Kardon or Rotel power amplifier, will I get the best of both worlds? meaning getting both Rotel's/HK's power & sound and Yamaha's well known DSP?
TIA :)
Sir, can you compare this two amps;
Yamaha vs. Harman Kardon
How would they compete in terms of power ratings, whats "hot" and whats "not". coz particlularly like my Yamaha RX-V995 rated at 100Wpc into 5ch when in max power, it consumes 750Watts max, is this true? how about Harman Kardon, if they do produce a large amount of power, would they consume around 1kva? isnt that quite a mouthful?
please enlighten us more thanks!
I used to have a Yammy 450 (my beginning AVR) & 650, then went for HK630.
The Yamaha 650 was at 95wpc x7, about 25lbs and less than 500w power consumption.
The HK630 was at 75wpc x7, almost 50 lbs and 1110w power consumption.
My Mission floorstanders needed a sub for the bass in audio listening with the Yamaha. But no need for a sub with the HK. The HK sounded much better for audio too. But IMHO, the yamaha still had an edge in HT. I listen to music at -30 volume as opposed to -20 to -12 at yamaha. No need for high volumes to hear the details oft he music either.
Thats wattage wise, price wise, the HK630 costs almost 3x the Yamaha 650, so the comparison might not be that fair. So let me use my friend's Yamaha 1300 (130wpc x6) for comparison. He used dynaudio audience 72 floorstanders and he noticed a big difference (in audio) when he switched to HK635. the yammy just wasnt able to power the dynes enough. But the Dynes sang well when it was powered by HK.
Spectra's Jose also told me that when they tested both, quote "Di mahabol ng 130w amp ng Yamaha yung 40w ng HK".
Yup, When I was renovating my HT, I had my outlet to my AVR customized to have its own circuit breaker. Also did the same for my subwoofer outlet.
But sir AV said that its not possible to put the whole 1110w to its max, unless you drive all 7 speakers to their max volumes. I already couldnt stand the AVR's volume at -15 setting.
That's marketing. Kanya-kanyang style sina Denon, Yamaha, HK, NAD, Rotel etc.
Check the weight.
Found this at the Harman Kardon website. For the info of those wondering about HK's power rating (like me before).
Question:
Why are Harman Kardon amplifiers so much more powerful than amplifiers with the same power ratings that are made by other companies?
Answer:
A Harman Kardon 50-watt amplifier will sound better, louder and cleaner than most 100-watt amplifiers from other companies. The reason is very simple. We give "true" wattage ratings, and our amplifiers utilize something called High-Current Capability (HCC). Please see the comparison below for further explanation. Other companies (100 watts):
Many companies have found new, convenient ways to get "big" wattage ratings on their amplifiers. They may take one frequency or tone (1kHz) and push it through one channel of amplification. This way the power supply only needs to supply power to one tone and one channel (no one listens to one tone through one speaker). This is not a difficult task for a power supply, so you get a nice, high rating like 100 watts. Now let's feed that one tone (1kHz) into 2 channels. Now the power supply has to supply power to 2 channels. The wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now let's take that one tone and make it ALL tones (pink noise). The power supply now has to supply power to all frequencies in both channels. Again, the wattage rating is drastically reduced. Now, your 100-watt amp is suddenly 50 watts (approximately).
Let's take it one step further. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, what happens to all of the dynamics/peaks in the sound? It can't get any louder, because the amp has hit its "ceiling," so the sound gets "clipped." The human ear typically can?t hear this clipping because peaks pass by so quickly but, nonetheless, the dynamics are gone.
Our amplifiers (50 watts):
We still rate our amplifiers the old-fashioned way - all frequencies with both channels driven. So "50 watts" is 50 watts. Twenty-five years ago, a 50-watt amp was very powerful. These days you can go to a store and hear a "300 watt" receiver and it won't impress; it lacks dynamic punch.
Now let's take it that extra step. When you turn the amp up and begin to average the 50 watts of power, the amp still needs to put out much more power every time a snare drum, triangle, or movie dynamic (e.g., hand slapping a face) hits. Our amps are able to instantaneously put out 20-100 amps (depending on the model) of high current to the speakers, allowing those dynamics to come through loud and clear, without any distortion. This brings the overall decibel average up, making it seem even louder that 50-watts.
...in short, i haven't heard any solid state amp with an airiness and ambiance of a tube amp...
You should try auditioning B&W 801 speakers powered with an Onkyo receiver.
801 Nautilus mated to an Onkyo receiver? sayang yung speaker.
OT pero I do agree to the midrange magic of the Nautilus. Its one speaker that made me jump off the speaker merry go round.
Mga bro..
na audition nyo na ba tong 2?
balak ko kasi talaga nung una marantz sr4500 kaso nung narinig ko ung HK..mas malupet.
kaso lang anlaki nung diff sa price.pero nung bumaba ung price ng HK, nagisip ako. marantz = 17500 tpos HKavr135=19500 lang
kaya napag isip ako..eh bobo ako eh first timer kc ko kaya gs2 ko malaman opinion nyo sana.
maraming salamat po
naudition mo yung 2 receiver on same listening area? same speakers? same source?
Classicman,
Nice pics of your speakers. How's your listening sessions? Hehe. Medyo OT na. ;D ;D ;D
Anyway going back to the topic, you better decide right now on the rotel ra-03. My rotel-ra03 with b&w 705 is a perfect combination and all I can say, the sound is breathtaking... :) :) 8) 8) Or maybe if you can wait for 2 years, I will be upgrading to rb-1080 and I'll be selling my 03. ;D ;D.
Go for the rotel and you won't get wrong.
bai juvinyl,
the session last saturday went smoothly, sayang you were not aound....... 8)
just sell your RA-03 to me for P15k, hehehe ;D ;D ;D & you upgrade to RA-1070 then replace your defective NAD cdp w/ an RCD-1072 para match na match, it will make your 705 really sing :D
Sayang pala bili ko sa Marantz SR4500 kala ko ganda na tunog lalo na sa audio.
La pala binatbat maski lakas ng output ng amps. May pre outs etc. Super siguro tunog ng 135 kung na lampaso 4500 na katunog ng sr5500 na ganda din tunog sa audio at movies.
magkano naman kaya ito...
**matz...benta mo ba yung hk mo? ;D
Bai juvinyl,
Classicman's setup is very good. Just needs some rearrangement, setup tweaks
and acoustic treatment to maximize sound quality. Went there last Saturday to listen to his CDM1SE's.
Ikaw bai, can we audition your 700 series? I would gladly listen to them to see how they compare
with my 600 series. :)
You and classicman are also invited to my place. Just give me a text. I know its a lower model
than both of your 700 series and classicman's CDM1SE's but I assure you my humongous
B&W 604 s3's sound awesome... :) Classicman has my new mobile number if you are interested.
bai brandon,
thanks for your comment & suggestions, will certainly consider them ;).......if it's ok w/ you sa inyo ang next session, hehehe ;D ;D ;D
TRy mo sa watt hi fi, MCS, mas mababa price ng HK 135.
am happy with my HK135 eh, mas mahal lang kuha ko last Dec 05. Sulit naman.
Just me.
Its rated at 500w power consumption. But its at 1100w max power consumption. Its also heavy, about 38-40 lbs.
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Not really. Just a computational absurdity. An electrical power input of 500 watts just doesn't square nicely with a published signal output of 1,260 watts, is it?? ;D Then again, they probabaly were just hyping, as is often the case. The receiver can't give out more than what it took. So for total RMS or sustained continuous power of all the channels, just be giuded by the power input limits. The rating was mostly likely taken not with all 7 channels driven in a full bandwidth. Just in stereo. That would square nicely with the max power input plus allowance for power wasted in heat. ;D
Talking about HYPING, does this really brings better sales to them? Now, if u are the sound engineer of the company will you recommend the same strategy? ::)
Talking about HYPING, does this really brings better sales to them? Now, if u are the sound engineer of the company will you recommend the same strategy? ::)
Talking about HYPING, does this really brings better sales to them? Now, if u are the sound engineer of the company will you recommend the same strategy? ::)
In my opinion, conservative power (watts) rating is also a marketing strategy "in reverse".
I remember when I was still in car audio in the mid 90's, we consider amplifier brands with conservative wattage ratings but wth actual higher output to be the one to buy. Such as rockford, orion, ppi, have made huge followings around the world with this marketing "hype". In the home arena, names such as NAD, HK and ADCOM comes to mind and they stress this in their ads.
I think it really depends on the experience and knowledgeability of the buyer to choose an over rated or under rated amp/receiver. Unfortunately, the over hype products usually gets the first attention but eventually the "real" ( read: with balls!) amp/receiver gets the loyal cult followings.
Just to share....
I auditioned an Infinity Beta HCS set last month and it sounded like they were BIG speakers. They were connected to a HK635 that time. Very impressive compact 5.1 speaker system.
I came back after a few weeks to listen to it again and it sounded quite bright. I didnt notice but it turns out that it was connected to a HK235 that time.
The manager explained to me (in short) that the more power the receiver has, the warmer it tends to sound. He also said that Model 330/335 to 630/635 have warmer sound than the 135-235.
mga sir may nag pm sakin nito (di ko na sasabihin kung sino)!!ano po ang reaction nyo tungkol dito!!sabi nya "sir the difference between the two amp is that harman uses high current while the denon uses peak power rating. for example if you're going to use it to wharfedale speakers, the sensitivity of the speaker is around 86dB which is hard to drive so this requires a high current amp to drive this speaker.
if harman says that 40W it is really 40W from start til end continuous 40W consistent power going out to the speaker.
if denon says that 100W then the actual power is below 100W, the 100W is peak power, then the power going out to the speaker still changes. its like the heart beat of a person it kept on changing. "
kung totoo to di ba parang PMPO na din ang sukatan ng denon?!?!paki linaw naman po to especially dun sa mga HK users,i mean being bias aside totoo ba to!?!?? ???
Correct ka dyan! ;)
It is also a marketing strategy "in reverse" - reverse psycho.
I remember when am scouting for my receiver - finally compared 630 to a 40W HK. Having read the plate mark and read that it pumps 37.5Wpc into 6ch. the 40W HK cost so much compared with 630 and yet the features (eg pre-out etc) is not so much compared to 630. 40W HK is no different from 37.5 Yammie even if yammie touted itself 80wpc on paper. Thus, 40w HK is of no advantage over 630 on sheer power alone.
Some people buys based on perception - some on weights, some on ad papers. At the end of the day, it is the level of knowledge & experience of the buyer which dictate his purchase and to suffer the consequence later. For the manufacturer, those that hype are reaping the rewards of their ads. That's what they are there for. ;D If the reverse psycho is working for the manufacturers, then good for them - it was also made by marketing guys ;D ;D ;D. So beware on both manufacturers - they made their ads to attract you to release your money.
Mga bros, kamusta performance ng yamaha rx-v657 campared sa HK 135 o 235? tsaka sa price? yung HK 135 nasa 17-19K then ung 235 around 26k. yung yamaha magkano? wala kasi kong time lumabas sobrang busy. salamat po sa mga magrereply
i'm a happy owner of the rx-v657 for about 4 mos. now. my previous avr is the hk230. i'm using diamond 9.1 as fronts, diamond 9 cs for center, and some generic but heavy cube speakers as surrounds. when it comes to ht/movie sounds, the yammy is outstanding. sa music, ok na ok na rin for me. mas maganda pa rin ang hk when it comes to power and purity sa music. if you don't have a 'picky' ear for music, you won't notice the difference. im my opinion, yamaha has made serious improvements to the audio performance of their higher rx-v series (pero depende pa rin sa matching ng components mo esp. the speakers). on aesthetics and audio/music sound, mas pogi talaga ang hk. :)
pasyal ka sa spectra, i think they have the units you're inquiring ready for demo and let your ears decide.
Sir, mas madalas lang ako manood ng movie at concerts ngayon kesa makinig ng audio/music. :)
Salamat po sir! So pag HT, better ang yammy.Pag audio lang, HK. Pag 50-50?
actually, ang hk kunt tutuusin eh 50-50 siya for ht and audio. mas maganda nga lang talaga ang yammy pagdating sa ht. :)
Sir, mas madalas lang ako manood ng movie at concerts ngayon kesa makinig ng audio/music. :)
Much better to choose a Yamaha.
You'll be surprised how well a Yamaha is for HT.
Hindi mo pagsisisihan.
get a yammie with pre-outs, you can always add an external amp and take advantage of the processing capabilities :)
get a yammie with pre-outs, you can always add an external amp and take advantage of the processing capabilities :)
get a yammie with pre-outs, you can always add an external amp and take advantage of the processing capabilities :)
Contentment is always the key.
Otherwise mapupuno ang bahay mo ng ibat-ibang gears(kung may pambili).
But you wont be satisfied.
Kasi laging may kulang.
In my experience kasi and from the experience of many members I met. It is a usual occurence that you first start with HT. Then since you have the gears and stuff, there is a big chance that your taste will evolve from HT to music. So we need to be wary of this factor.
I started with 80% HT and 20% music. Then one boring day I played a music CD, and BANG! the music bug got me. Now I am 50/50. I have been upgrading since, wanting to get a compromise of both. But in the end, I realized, along with the help of members like Hans Adrianne, that it would be best to have separate setup for HT and music. Para best talaga of both worlds. Gastos nga lang, but walang compromise.
I wish I realized this early in the hobby. Pero pogi kasi rin ng HK :D
Excellently said! Salute!
:)
hi brandon and classicman,
You guys been silent for a long time. How u doin'?
Brandon, payag na ako doon tayo sa inyo mauna audition on your 604. I heard your listening your music in a pro logic mode. Wow, that's 5.1 channels. Before, I used to run my music this way, pero, nagsawa na rin ako. imagine all the 6 channels are directed to your ears simultaneously with the 604 in fronts. So as not to be OT, I might bring my ra-03 with me so that we can audition it with your...what? I believe your 604s are elephant to my ra-03. ;D ;D ;D.
Just text me.
IMHO, this is one of the better routes to enjoy the best of both worlds (HT & audio)........ 8)
please pm me ( to avoid long discussion and biased on this topic ) which gear will you choose?
If 50-50 I will choose HK. But I suggest you make your own decision rather than relying on the number of votes. Its you who will use the receiver and not us. Just consider the suggestion and advises but do your own audition then decide.
Go for a yammie,if you don't like it lets swap with my HK 235.
I'm also curious how a yamie would change my HT experience.
Mga bros, kamusta performance ng yamaha rx-v657 campared sa HK 135 o 235? tsaka sa price? yung HK 135 nasa 17-19K then ung 235 around 26k. yung yamaha magkano? wala kasi kong time lumabas sobrang busy. salamat po sa mga magrereply
BongerDude, san ka nakakita ng 17k na HK 135? share mo naman please kung saan. thanks!
BTW, i got a price quote yesterday for these 2 amps from The Home Theater thru the kindness of sir Compaq, and they're just about even mas mahal lang ng konti ang Cambridge Azur 640A..... 8)
hi classicman,
can u PM me the price of the Cambridge and Rotel? Im also looking for an integrated amp din kasi. thanks!
guys! feedback naman po dyan hk235 as against onkyo603. Tnx!
guys! feedback naman po dyan hk235 as against onkyo603. Tnx!
guys new bie here, need ur help,
am planning to have my set-up
quite confused if i would just get an av receiver or mag pre amp, power amp, receiver set-up pa ako? i was planning to buy denon 3805 sana but was tempt by an offer of a friend to buy krell showcase pre/pro at less than 100k, was thinking of building my set-up base onn the krell, gonna use it for 60/40 ht/audio tnx, HELP!!!!!
guys new bie here, need ur help,
am planning to have my set-up
quite confused if i would just get an av receiver or mag pre amp, power amp, receiver set-up pa ako? i was planning to buy denon 3805 sana but was tempt by an offer of a friend to buy krell showcase pre/pro at less than 100k, was thinking of building my set-up base onn the krell, gonna use it for 60/40 ht/audio tnx, HELP!!!!!
You gain more set-up flexibility and upgradeablity with true separates than taking the receiver route. You can just add more power amps later if you need more channels, or bridge to get more power. Then you can just chage the preamp if there are new audio formats to decodes. Just my thoughts.
My brod in law asked me to assemble a setup for him so I had the chance weeks ago to fiddle around with his separate tuner (NAD) before I turned it over to him .
I was surprised with the quality of the sound as compared to my receiver's tuner. It was definitely clearer and it sounded great, just a notch below CD quality. Then looking at the tuner's casing (as big as a CD player), I concluded that it must be due to all the electronics in the casing that enhances the tuner's quality, Whereas in a receiver, the tuner is only a "bonus" and I was told that the electronics for the tuner in a AVR is very very small.
Now I am a believer in separates!
My brod in law asked me to assemble a setup for him so I had the chance weeks ago to fiddle around with his separate tuner (NAD) before I turned it over to him .
I was surprised with the quality of the sound as compared to my receiver's tuner. It was definitely clearer and it sounded great, just a notch below CD quality. Then looking at the tuner's casing (as big as a CD player), I concluded that it must be due to all the electronics in the casing that enhances the tuner's quality, Whereas in a receiver, the tuner is only a "bonus" and I was told that the electronics for the tuner in a AVR is very very small.
Now I am a believer in separates!
My brod in law asked me to assemble a setup for him so I had the chance weeks ago to fiddle around with his separate tuner (NAD) before I turned it over to him .
I was surprised with the quality of the sound as compared to my receiver's tuner. It was definitely clearer and it sounded great, just a notch below CD quality. Then looking at the tuner's casing (as big as a CD player), I concluded that it must be due to all the electronics in the casing that enhances the tuner's quality, Whereas in a receiver, the tuner is only a "bonus" and I was told that the electronics for the tuner in a AVR is very very small.
Now I am a believer in separates!
http://sound.westhost.com/articles.htm
My brod in law asked me to assemble a setup for him so I had the chance weeks ago to fiddle around with his separate tuner (NAD) before I turned it over to him .
I was surprised with the quality of the sound as compared to my receiver's tuner. It was definitely clearer and it sounded great, just a notch below CD quality. Then looking at the tuner's casing (as big as a CD player), I concluded that it must be due to all the electronics in the casing that enhances the tuner's quality, Whereas in a receiver, the tuner is only a "bonus" and I was told that the electronics for the tuner in a AVR is very very small.
Now I am a believer in separates!
Congrats, bosing.actually ang pinademo ko lang talaga is the wharfe9.5, and i told him also that i might get the 657 sa yamaha outlet because they can give me a 25% (sale pa rin 657). so after the demo, yung wharfe lang talaga muna yung binili ko sa kanila. nanghihinayang lang talaga ako sa DSP processing that Yamaha AVR can offer.
Thanks to Spectra, side by side demo din ako ng HK and Yammy (as you know, I preferred the Yammy). Now that you're sure about the HK, may peace of mind ka na.
Why not just buy the HK from Spectra. Tutal, sila naman ang nagbigay ng magandang service, so they deserve the sale. Personally, I would feel guilty if I didn't buy from the retailer that helped me make a choice by giving me great service.
sirs,
anyone know why audio/video receiver manufacturers dont market here (or stopped production?) preamp/processors? mas ok na user ang pumili ng amplification to match his speakers.
As an old yammy user, still I wont trade in my old inherited yamaha RX-V995 (top-of-the-line for 5.1), although I sold one that I had bought from a fellow Pdvd due to the reward of my uncle (his old well taken cared of RX-V995)...
based on my expirience...
The performance of Yamaha RX-V995 is very well satisfying, this old school AVR still entertains me well, with a 100W/pc RMS (L/R:0.04%THD, C:0.07%THD and Surr.:0.07%THD) still if you analyze well...
Yamaha AVR's
Plus Points:
1.) Enhanced HT. has an edge on most AVR.
2.) very good processing, DSP's are great on ambient music and Videoke.
3.) Direct switch for pure amplification (AVR can be used as a pre amp if used with a external power amp.)
3.) Video-up conversion and YPAO (on newer models).
...older model has been solidly built (eg. RXV995 still good working condition since 2000).
Harman AVR's
Plus Points:
1.) HCC great on Audio.
2.) asthetically appealing.
3.) Direct switch for pure amplification.
as you see yamaha's are not that powerful on audio amplification, but you can always hooked it up with a highly sensitive speakers for it to perform well. if your not satified enough with the power, you can always expand with a use of an external power amplifier. what best is you still have those extra processing (eg. DSP, HT enhanced etc.) without sacrificing the AVR itself for upgrades...
so which one do you prefer? these are just some of the points ive taken for comparison, still the final choices are yours... ;)
For HT, Yamaha does a great job even for entry levels. But for audio power amps, you can look elsewhere.
Sound is not amp's duty alone
Sound is not amp's duty alone
True, but not when it is starved of current during transients and where other amps can handle very low impedance loads much better. Certainly not if I can have better performing power amps elsewhere. Everything is relative. And I am talking only about gears in the context of the post. Not sound propagation which is a confluence of many outside factors as you rightly pointed out. And if you have a lousy amp to begin with, I don't see how any amount of speaker matching and placement can make it sound superlative.
Lol ::) If you don't know who measures amps and how they are measured, that's not my problem. And if you want to stick with your mix and match, by all means do, so. You're free to indulge in whatever gives you high. And if you can't accept the fact that most everything is relative, that's your call. :o
But when I say an amp has inherent problems of providing current due to its inadequate power supply, I am not talking about mix nd match. Because relatively, there are other more competent power amps than can. So why bother mxing and matching with something that is inadequate to begin with. Better learn how to distinguish between a good amp and a lousy one. Nothing to do with high end gears and prices, just so happens most better ones can be found in them. ;D
In the life of this forum, majority just quote marketing hype of their gears (even if they dont understand what it meant, or even verified if such claims were true - just like the talk about cables eh) - and I dont mind. But for people who I think has more than that, I think I just can't let it pass ... or the fun just went pffft!
ask ko lang po, i am planning to purchase an avr pero i heard na me bago na mga surround formats na ilalabas. if i buy the current avrs, would it be compatible with the soon to be released surround formats or should i wait for the new formats to arrive to be sure? tnx
2k lang pala difference, I would definitely put my bet on the rotel! The Rotel is more REASONABLY PRICED than the CA. Anyone selling their RA-03?
yes, many fall by the wayside, for not knowing any better....the sad part of it is i see even engineers abet and propagate all this hypes and silly ideas.... :'(
Try NAD 352CT. Medyo matalim kasing tumunog highs ng B&W. Kung Rotel RA03 kukunin mo baka tiring. For dynamics, clean sounding ok Rotel. But if you want the presentation to be on the warmer and a bit laid back side sa NAD ka.
...or you might try to add NAD C372 as your options. Full 150W of pure power per channel. Mas mura (I guess) kay sa sa dalawang choices mo. Hindi nga lang maganda ang casing (dull dark gray) compare sa Rotel and Campbridge pero superb sa sound quality. If you prefer a full and warmer sound, NAD but if you want a brighter sounding amp. go for CA.
classicman,
I can smell of another upgrade hehe. FYI, nad c372 is 37k srp. You can get it at less 10% at av surfer ayala. Meron sila display ngayon, all new. all the nad series are there. If you are serious in getting nad, you can contact me to get discount much lower than that.
Try the EXPOSURE 2010S integrated amp. It shocked me that this little integrated amp could power a Dynaudio Audience 72 with ease (and lots of UMPH too). It usually takes very expensive amps to power the Dyns this good.
This was probably the 2nd best audio setup I heard (at Audioworld) very dynamic! The best I heard was at the HiFi Show w/ a P6,000,000.00 speaker ;D.
Try the EXPOSURE 2010S integrated amp. It shocked me that this little integrated amp could power a Dynaudio Audience 72 with ease (and lots of UMPH too). It usually takes very expensive amps to power the Dyns this good. The best I heard was at the HiFi Show w/ a P6,000,000.00 speaker ;D.
As you know I am no Audiophile ...
...
Unwrap the Onkyo and the black one I ordered turned silver ....no biggy the demo will go on!!!!
...
Unwrapped the Denon receiver and thought it looked great. Powered it up and the sound was real clean with the few CD's I played.. At 110 watts per channel I thought this baby was about to blow me out of the water but must say....it did not. ...I was looking for the additional 10 watts you had recommended to me before). ... My son looked at me and said....that didn't sound to good there dad. ...
Decided to give the Onkyo a try. As soon as I put on the same DVD at low levels I noticed a major difference in the body and tone of the music. Raised the volume higher and higher and as I did the smile on my face got bigger and bigger. .. Wife and kids came right out and said the Onkyo was better for them. In my opinuion it was also better for me...big time! ...and more powerful to boot. Proceeded to listen to the same CD's as before of Usher (to test the sub) some rock, and even some pop (Madonna for the wife) and it was all kick Asssss take no prisoners.
Am happy with the Paradigm speakers and am pleased with the Onkyo. The combo to "my ears" seems to be the "REAL DEAL"!
Just bought a Konzert 302 this afternoon because I want to compare its sound quality with that of Sakura power amp model AP-009 (with mandatory pre-amp AK-008). Sakura wins handily. The difference in sound quality in terms of clarity, transparency, mid-range finesse and bass definition is very obvious. The sound of the Konzert lacks that "live" acoustic illusion easily generated by listening thru the Sakura amp. I am surprised by the very big difference in the sound quality. I used acoustic bossa nova music material using Wharfedale 9.2 speakers to compare the two amps. Amplifiers really do make a big difference.
Gumagapang! Hindi ko ma-explain eh kung baket ganun. Mas malakas ba yung bass singnal from the HK receiver than the Yamaha receiver? Basta I know, nakatipid ako lalo sa pag bili ng bagong subwoofer.
The difference was immediately obvious when I switched to the Rotel power amp. Bass was tight.
Attributable to Damping Factor. Check the figure, you'd note a yawning difference in the damping factors of well-known power amp separates and receivers.
Congrats on your new and more revealing sonic experience!!!!
IMO both are good AVR's, it just depends on your preferences (details, surrounds, midrange slam, etc). If only there was a receiver that can have it all. But I guess only the high end pre/pro's have it all, w/c unfortunately, is out of budgetary reach... :D[/color]
mga sir gud day
service center po ng harman kardon? saan po location?
kabibili ko lang kasi ng hk ko galing states.
nag hung kahit anong botton ayaw gumana. kahit patayin uli ayaw talaga.
tia
which is better?
thanks
hi allen, kumusta na yung 705 mo? how is its performance ;) from the info i got, coming this month na din daw yung 705 dito sa atin. thanks!
hi allen, kumusta na yung 705 mo? how is its performance ;) from the info i got, coming this month na din daw yung 705 dito sa atin. thanks!
hamats daw ang 705 sir at saang shop?
i had it shipped from states :)
looking back i could have gotten it cheaper if i bought it 2 weeks earlier or 2 weeks after haha
thanks sir allen.
yung parating sa pinas. do u know how much is the selling price and where?
allen, will wait for your review ;)
ang sabi this month daw dadating yung 705 yung how much huwag muna natin sagutin baka tumaas eh ;) sana hindi na tumaas kasi lumalakas naman ang Peso ;D
Yung Yamaha 1800 mayron na kaya balita kung available na dito and how much?
pick any of the two, both will surely sound superb for your HT. what you need to be careful of is on getting speakers to match them.
hmmm, the question would be "how much would you throw in for your speakers?"
@squatter: they will happilly do. just do proper auditioning between those AVRs. saan mo ba plan bumili?
between 15k-30k.
get some mordaunts or wharfedale diamond 9 series.
kasama ba sub sa budget mo?
Hi Nesty;Hi Mr.Villafuerte.
If ur budget for speakers is 30K, go for B&W 6xx series, may konting sukli ka pa to buy a decent speaker wire. This speaker is well balanced for either music or HT application. So if you decide to go 2ch audio, you already have the perfect speakers. But, you still need to audition this first, your ears are still the final judge.
Gudluk and happy searching!
No subs.My plan is to eventually shift to 100% 2ch music. So yung speakers na kukunin is really pang music not ht. And then stereo amp. unti unti.
hmmm, the question would be "how much would you throw in for your speakers?"
Let me add too that its best to "MATCH" the level of your speakers to the level of your receiver.
* Entry level speakers match w/ entry level receiver
* Mid level speakers match w/ mid level receiver
* entry level speakers + mid receiver is better
* Power amps are best for all speakers (so always get a receiver w/ pre outs)
pick any of the two, both will surely sound superb for your HT. what you need to be careful of is on getting speakers to match them.
* Power amps are best for all speakers (so always get a receiver w/ pre outs)
Let me add too that its best to "MATCH" the level of your speakers to the level of your receiver.
scene 2: they sell the whole setup, cuz "PANGIT" daw. Nakaka hinayang and I would actively recommend against this.
Go for the Onkyo 705 since it has more features like: it can output HD audio formats (Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby® Digital Plus and DTS-HD® High Resolution Audio), it is THX-Select2 certified, it has Zone 2 (you can output music to another room while another is watching a movie in another room), HDMI is version 1.3 already, auto-calibration of speaker system..
Which of the 2 receivers will you choose to power a whole Wharfedale Evo speakers (evo30, center, evo10 & evo8)?
I am leaning towards the CA 640R due to the good reviews especially in audio. But it lacks the bells and whistles of the 705. Both are similarly priced (my guess??) and are already available here.
Cambridge Audio 640R
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=139&Title=Azur%20640R%207.1%20HDMI%20AV%20Receiver (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=139&Title=Azur%20640R%207.1%20HDMI%20AV%20Receiver)
Onkyo TR-SX705
http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR705&class=Receiver&p=i (http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR705&class=Receiver&p=i)
Heto muna, meron pa akong ibang pinagpipilian, PJ or LCD pero sa susunod nalang. Whaaaaa gastos!!!!!!
Thanks in advance pala sa mga sagot nyo.
WenG
now y'all had changed my mind towards the 705 ;D
i don't have HD gears yet that's why i did not bother earlier about the decoding features of the 705.
Fellow pinoydvd-ers,i think this should be 3808 vs 875
if u got d money to spend on a hi-end avr, which one would you choose? 3805 or 875? tnx.
i think this should be 3808 vs 875
Inquire ka sa mga dealers sir, they are more than willing to help you find a receiver to suit your needs ;)
2 great receivers with each has its own unique strengths. How much kaya ito priced locally kapag naging available na?!
mouldingo,
pwede po ba malaman speakers nyo sa front? inclined na ako sa denon3808
magulo pa utak ko sa speakers.. hifi lang muna, tsaka na ht...
Inquire ka sa mga dealers sir, they are more than willing to help you find a receiver to suit your needs ;)
i have an AVR2808 and its awesome! Best buy!
av_phile1
sir, which oneamong the 2 is a better buy?
tnx.
i have an AVR2808 and its awesome! Best buy!
I'll go with Denon 2808...
I like the sound of Denon more than the Yamaha.....(music wise)
Regarding the DSP's of Yamaha which is one of its strength, normally I do only use the embedded Dolby Digital / DTS / or THX signal from the DVD itself and dont use those DSP's programmed into the receiver so for me that particular strength of the Yamaha doesnt matter to me...
I do go for a much better music sounding receiver and I find Denon to be more musical to my ears than Yamaha...... but that's just me....what musical to me maybe different from the others.....
for pure HT, Yamaha is very very good, but I cant afford a seperate setup.... ;D
I am just wondering what happens to Marantz? Is there any new receivers from this manufacturer that is in the same specs with these Onkyo and Denons?
I wish I have spare time to go to AV store to do audition :( coz right now, I'm only relying on your inputs on which AVR is the best for both HT and audio.
Marantz have the SR7002 and SR8002.
3808 & 875?? hmmmm tough decision.... ::)
It's a toss up between the two for me.. Both are good sounding receivers to me...
maybe whichever is cheaper and with a lot of freebies gets my hard earned cash if I am in the market for one....hehehehe, I am sure both of these are good.
although there are already negative report on the 875 from the net which I think can be remedied later on, nonetheless the 875 is still a good receiver.... ;)
no negative report on the 3808 at the moment though, not that I've read off, maybe too early to tell at this point.... ;D
I am just wondering what happens to Marantz? Is there any new receivers from this manufacturer that is in the same specs with these Onkyo and Denons?
What about the other players like HK, Nad, Kenwood, JVC etc? I know Pioneer also have a new receiver that can match the Denon and Onkyos specs....
Was actually saving up for a video processor after I saw the performance of a Meridian upscaler.uy new quest matt.....I hope you find the right AVR for you soon..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
The 875 might be a good alternative for me since its already got a video processor.
Sayang, I wont be using the power amp section of the 875 since I have power amps.
isip isip....
Please do audition, and find time to....these AVR that you are considering are considered to be mid-level and a bit expensive already. You dont want to get an AVR that does not meet your expectation and will be sorry in the end do you?
Well if you really cant find time to hear these two AVR side by side, then you can just trust our post in here... I am sure many of us here in PinoyDVD has one way or the other own or hear side by side these two receivers and can share their experience/inputs....:)
trackers888
i was having the same dilemma b4..........up to now. I suggest that you find a dealer who is willingto auditio the unit in your own home, with all your equipments and in your surrounding. trust your ears. best buys award and five star ratings are useful guide in making a short-list but not necessarily produce great sound. again trust your ears.
onmy part, i want to buy either the 3808 or 875, however due to budget constraints am now choosing between yamaha 1800 and denon 2808.
right now denon is slightly ahead on my "barometer". because of its proven amplifier power. though yamaha is vastly rich in features.
well if I were in your shoes right now, I will go for 2808 over 1800......
I have heard those two side by side and I like the sound of denon better than yamaha......the 2808 has the AL24 processor, a proprietry product of denon, their lower model dont have these, the audyssey setup of denon is awesome.....A friend of mine has an older model of denon, the 2807. He previously had a Yammy previously though a lower model, but with YPAO as well. but I think the audyssey is better....(well maybe Yammy upgraded their YPAO already).
BTW, what is your speaker ba? ;D
Bro....
Your mission will be very compatible with Denon..... I have an all Mission setup...sub is a Velo....
Get a good cables for optimum performance....
Now to your questions whether its still worth to wait for the Onkyo.....
My question is....can you still wait? ;D ;D
For me, its a toss up between Onkyo and Denon.....both are good sounding receiver.....
thanks sir. but i got the denon 2308 already. iba yung nabili ko sa pinagpipilian ;D
Thanks thanks! Same pala tayo ng speakers? :D
Marami kasi advice na maganda performance nito kaya binili ko na. Highly recommended ni DanRD ;D
I will ask you guys ulit regarding interconnects kung may AVR na.
Bigla akong natigilan duon ah ??? I can wait pa, kakayanin ko :D :D :D Anu pa dapat kung i-consider between the 2?
Price of Denon AVR2808 is 63750 while Onkyo 705 was is still unknown ;)
trackers888
if torn between two lovers, este receivers, choose the more reasonably priced one.
better sing the song kailan by smokey mountain, than bakit ngayon ka lang by ogie alcasid. he... he... he....
uy ayan na si idol richard! hehe balita bro! ako napapaisip narin tuloy sa avr...hehe
Kung price ang basehan, Denon wins coz Yamaha RXV1800 is more expensive than Denon AVR2808 ;)
:D Dapat yata e yung kantang "Si Aida o si Lorna o si Fe" ;D
Idol ka jan ???:o
Eto Karl judgment day na :D Come what may, bahala na si Batman :D :D :D
kt,
same predicament here, how much b onkyo 705/805 and yam 1800 locally?
av_phile1
sir, which oneamong the 2 is a better buy?
tnx.
for me.... denon, warm sounding.... yammy, bright sounding... it's up to you. ;D
ano po partnering speakers ur using for the denon?
bono vox
what particular b&w model is most ideal for the 2808?
for me.... denon, warm sounding.... yammy, bright sounding... it's up to you. ;D
This is a general misconception about Yamaha. Maybe only the lower/entry models sound bright, but not the upper models. Try to audition first. Im using B&W 602s with my RXV1400 and RXV2600 and I dont find them bright-sounding ;)
gentlemen,
as one enthusiasts say: higher models of the famous brands are warmer-sounding, maybe the brightness also depends on the attached sources/ancilliaries.
the best way is to audition and listen..... then follow your ears, every individual have different tastes. ;D
bro lakambini so ano na choice mo? hehe kakalito dami choices eh
kt,
since i'm more into music than ht, i'll go for the denon - as of now. the features ofthe 1800 are very attractive especially to "tweakers" like me.
As of 12-20-07 denon 80 - yamaha 20.
Also , inmy opinion, thedenon has a more powerful amplifier, thoughthe yam employ its in-house custom-made 64-bit LSI DSP.
bro! hehe ako naman denon2808 or onkyo705...hirap ng choices eh
hehehe...
hay wala talagang katapusan tong bisyo natin bro! :D
magastos!... pero sulit, hindi pang selfish na bisyo, lahat ng kaibigan at kamag-anak puwedeng maka-appreciate pag nasubukan nila. ;D ;D ;D
bro! hehe ako naman denon2808 or onkyo705...hirap ng choices eh
@bono. nice denon you got there.
kt,
wow 705 isalso asmart choice. In addition, THXcertified pa!
2808 uses burr-brown dacs
705 uses crytal dacs
kt,
since i'm more into music than ht, i'll go for the denon - as of now. the features ofthe 1800 are very attractive especially to "tweakers" like me.
As of 12-20-07 denon 80 - yamaha 20.
Also , inmy opinion, thedenon has a more powerful amplifier, thoughthe yam employ its in-house custom-made 64-bit LSI DSP.
how much na ang Yamaha RX-V1800 ngayon ?
bro! hehe ako naman denon2808 or onkyo705...hirap ng choices eh
kung price ang pagbabasihan mas mura lang ang 705 compared to the 2808. the 705 is priced in the range of denon 2308 ;D
bro ganun ba? how about the performance n quality pwede ba sila macompare or same level ba sila? tnx
bro, i own a 2308 and never heard/auditioned a 705 yet. the 2808 and 705 are probably of the same league feature-wise as both can decode trueHD.ah ok tnx bro!
ah ok tnx bro!
Bro KT, 2808 rock nga talaga! :D
Mahal nga lang ;D
guys magkano ONKYO TX-SR875? tnx
The 2808 has the decoders for the new lossless DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA. Plus the new HDMI 1.3 circuit. Those features are what makes the model expensive. There's no need for these since HD DVD and Blu-ray players already have them. And it's highly doubtful receiver decoding forHD audio tracks is superior to player decoding at this time.
And that it's THX ultra 2 certified besides.
The 2808 has the decoders for the new lossless DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA. Plus the new HDMI 1.3 circuit. Those features are what makes the model expensive. There's no need for these since HD DVD and Blu-ray players already have them. And it's highly doubtful receiver decoding forHD audio tracks is superior to player decoding at this time.
And that it's THX ultra 2 certified besides.
Sir the 2808 isnt THX certified. Denon 5308 is THX ultra 2 certified though.
Whoah! This definitely got me thinking. Does it mean my recent purchase of the 2808 is kinda "useless" if my purchase was I based on its capability to decode DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA? I also took into consideration future proofing my system even for a couple of years. But your post states otherwise. You mean this extra feature over the 2308 is not necessarily needed since blu-ray players can do its own decoding? Am I getting this right? And I quote AV_Phile1 "The 2808 has the decoders for the new lossless DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA. Plus the new HDMI 1.3 circuit. Those features are what makes the model expensive no need for these since HD DVD and Blu-ray players already have them".
I think I could have saved more if this thread was started 2 months back.
Certainly not useless. And am sorry if I had alarmed you in anyway, Lancito. But yes, had you consulted us before, I would have been quite vocal against getting the new generation receivers with the lossless decoding feature at this time or even in the next 12 months. Not only are the chips used for decoding them come from a few makers so that there'd really be little or no promise of superiority in outboard decoding, there's more. The interactivity features of HD DVD and Blu-ray discs when authored in advance content format (which those with interactivity features do) cannot be realized if the decoding is done outside the player at this time. This is done to fully comply with the high defnition specs of both formats in the disc content encoding process. That may change in the future though.
But admittedly, if you plan to buy the earlier Blu-Ray players from Sony, the outboard decoder on your 2808 will come in handy as these first generation players now being sold at bargain prices do not internally decode DTS-MA or DolbyTHD but can pass the raw datastreams via HDMI. But I would not want to buy first generation HD players myself.
SO for all intents and purposes, your 2808 can be considered future-proof once those HD discs get encoded that would allow interactivity to be played with outboard decoding. But this is still a wild card. And I wouldn't bet on it. Most HD pundits in other forums are one in saying receiver decoding and HDMI 1.3 are not necessary for anyone to enjoy the new lossless audio formats, unless the industry comes out with music-only contents in lossless codecs where interactivity is not required.
But to your concern that you could have saved more, I'm sorry but I must say I agree. You could have gotten a more powerful receiver at the current price of the 2808. That goes even if you have HD players now or in the next 12 mos, I dare say. Sometimes I really have to wonder what these receiver makers are doing for their markets. They sometimes just ride on the recent technological buzzwords to be seen as cuting edge. They see the words DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD and HDMI 1.3 and they immediately implement them on their products without realizing doing so is still irrelevant in the emerging high definition products. It's fine if they price their new products low, but because they are supposed to be on the cutting edge, they're relatively more expensive. But the other features of the 2808 are quite useful alright. And you do have one of the most advance recievers available on the planet at this time.
Fr. what I know, we really need a DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD receiver to enjoy lossless HD audio otherwise, it will simply be converted to an improved DTS or DD format. Personally, I can hear the diff. already even w/ my non-HDMI receiver whenever I switch fr. standard DTS to DTS-HD(same w/ DD to TrueHD). Thats why I'm happy w/ it at the moment tho' I'm very sure lossless sounds much better . . . maybe if it gets a bit cheaper in a few more months. True, Im also shocked at the current price of HDMI1.3 receivers in our local market today . . . parang di makatarungan! ;D
Is there a difference between the player or the receiver decoding the HD audio? If there is, which is better then? To be able to enjoy HD audio, will the receiver need to decode this in order to output lossless HD audio to the speaker? I was thinking since the speakers are not connected to the player directly and that the player is connected to the receiver, the receiver should be capable of decoding lossless HD audio for one to enjoy lossless HD audio, or else the audio (decoded by the player) will just be downgraded to a lossy HD audio if the receiver is not capable of decoding lossless HD audio. ??? ??? ???
You don't need the new generation receivers to enjoy the new lossless audio formats. HD players already have the decoders. But even if some players are lacking, ALL of them output in multichannel uncompressed digital LPCM and analog 5.1. You could not hope to get better than LPCM because that is the what the decoders output to the DACs. That is the same audio format used in CD and with HD audio tracks, you get multichannel LPCM. If you have receivers with HDMI, the first commercial version being 1.1, you get multichannel LPCM fed to your receiver's DAC. If your receiver does not have HDMI 1.1, you can use the player's 5.1 analog RCA jacks to feed to your receiver's 5.1 analog input. In addition, the HD player outputs the older DD and DTS tracks via its s/pdif jacks. Either the player downconverts the High resolution tracks or the disc has secondary audio tracks carrying DD and/or DTS-ES.
The specifications for Advance Content authoring in HD DVD and soon for Blu-Ray mandates that for interactivity to be active, decoding must be done within the player. You lose this interactivity feature that makes playing HD discs a pleasure to use if the decoding is done outside the player.
At this time, it is doubtful if you can get superior decoding from receivers. In addition, the audio bitrates from the new lossless formats are so high, they are almost indistinguishable from the masters and you will really have to have literally a golden ear to distinguish the quality from one decoder to another. The DACs would stil figure in the equation. Even if you think an outboard DAC is better, you only need the old HDMI1.1 to feed multichannel LPCM to your outboard DAC or receiver.
Fr. what I know, we really need a DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD receiver to enjoy lossless HD audio otherwise, it will simply be converted to an improved DTS or DD format. Personally, I can hear the diff. already even w/ my non-HDMI receiver whenever I switch fr. standard DTS to DTS-HD(same w/ DD to TrueHD). Thats why I'm happy w/ it at the moment tho' I'm very sure lossless sounds much better . . . maybe if it gets a bit cheaper in a few more months. True, Im also shocked at the current price of HDMI1.3 receivers in our local market today . . . parang di makatarungan! ;D
You don't need the new generation receivers to enjoy the new lossless audio formats. HD players already have the decoders.
Disclosure first - I have a Denon 2808. This is my understanding of the current situation:
I don't think there is any player in the market today which can decode DTS-HD MA internally. In my understanding, the only way you can currently hear that is by sending it through HDMI 1.3 to a receiver (such as the Denon 2808) which can decode DTS-HD MA.
If you get the LPCM tracks from your player, you can send them through HDMI 1.1 to a lower-end receiver and that will be fine. However, these tracks are often not the fully uncompressed tracks, unlike DTS-HD MA and Dolby TruHD.
If the HD soundtrack is not in LPCM (such as Dolby TruHD), then you need to use the 5.1 analog channel, which means that your receiver will not be able to process them. In particular, you can't use the Audyssey room correction feature of Denon, Onkyo and Marantz. This is a huge weakness.
The other big feature of the Denon 2808 is that it has an advanced version of the Audyssey room correction feature, which can work wonders with your sound. A friend of mine uses a Denon 2808 (without separate power amps) in his 40 square meter HT and the sound is incredibly good - among the best I have heard.
With regard to price, I agree that it is quite expensive. That's why I sourced mine sa US and the cost was P20k cheaper than the local price (inclusive of shipping, taxes, etc.).
Now having said all of this, do I detect a difference between the high-def audio vs the legacy DD and DTS? So far, I feel that the difference is subtle, not "night and day." But I think the jury is still out.
1 month old DENON AVR2808 FOR SALE 60K! ;D
I take it a back. My Denon AVR2808 is no longer for sale! ;D
How much ba ang Denon 2808 dito sa tin?
Jun, may hint na from Lance sa price ng Denon :D
Jun, may hint na from Lance sa price ng Denon :D
dts-es
sir ur exactly right about ur observation. the 1.3 receivers being sold locally are way, way high. Much cheaper to buy outside d country. The prices abroad of these receivers are even lowering their prices. Also, the peso continues to appreciate against the dollar.
Yes sir, even if you add the shipping cost mas mura pa din mag-import:
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ)
Imagine, Onkyo TX-SR805 nasa around P31K lang :o
Yes sir, even if you add the shipping cost mas mura pa din mag-import:
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-2808CI-Theater-Component-Receiver/dp/B000TW20A2/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OBJW1S/sr=8-1/qid=1201758371/ref=pd_cp_e_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1201758371&sr=8-1&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000TW20A2&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=07EQF5N5KXZSD1GS43MZ)
Imagine, Onkyo TX-SR805 nasa around P31K lang :o
mura rin sa hongkong ang denon at 220 volts pa. bought my 2308 at only 26.5k last october while the 2808 was offered at 42k lang.
mura rin sa hongkong ang denon at 220 volts pa. bought my 2308 at only 26.5k last october while the 2808 was offered at 42k lang.
Kasama na depreciation dun. ;D
Guys, excuse my ignorance but what does SARS stand for?
Ouch! Don't remind me how much I got my 2808. Well, if you add your airfare plus hotel accommodations and food, baka the same lang. ;D Just making myself feel better. ;)
i had my denon bought by an OFW friend who went home last october kaya free delivery sa bahay pa. my first choice was the onkyo 705 at nasa 29k kaso wala lang stock at that time my friend went to mongkok. may inalok pa nga na 2807 at only 31k pero di ko alam specs kaya di ko kinuha (sayang ;D)
Disclosure first - I have a Denon 2808. This is my understanding of the current situation:
I don't think there is any player in the market today which can decode DTS-HD MA internally. In my understanding, the only way you can currently hear that is by sending it through HDMI 1.3 to a receiver (such as the Denon 2808) which can decode DTS-HD MA.
If you get the LPCM tracks from your player, you can send them through HDMI 1.1 to a lower-end receiver and that will be fine. However, these tracks are often not the fully uncompressed tracks, unlike DTS-HD MA and Dolby TruHD.
If the HD soundtrack is not in LPCM (such as Dolby TruHD), then you need to use the 5.1 analog channel, which means that your receiver will not be able to process them. In particular, you can't use the Audyssey room correction feature of Denon, Onkyo and Marantz. This is a huge weakness.
The other big feature of the Denon 2808 is that it has an advanced version of the Audyssey room correction feature, which can work wonders with your sound. A friend of mine uses a Denon 2808 (without separate power amps) in his 40 square meter HT and the sound is incredibly good - among the best I have heard.
With regard to price, I agree that it is quite expensive. That's why I sourced mine sa US and the cost was P20k cheaper than the local price (inclusive of shipping, taxes, etc.).
Now having said all of this, do I detect a difference between the high-def audio vs the legacy DD and DTS? So far, I feel that the difference is subtle, not "night and day." But I think the jury is still out.
But there is still a benefit though, if you let your 2808 do the decoding, you can take advantage of the Audysey EQ.
Problema lang 110V. Mahirap ibenta pag ayaw mo na.
Now I feel bad again. ;D
Lancito,
Sir, don't mind the price, what's mor important is that you have with u a very decent/fine avr in the market. Currently, many can't afford to have this type of receiver, including me, so njoy this privilege, the pride of owning not just an ordinary avr but a DENON AVR2808.
cheers
Thanks for your kind words Lakambini. It was all blood, sweat, and tears for me. Wife is already complaining that i am living beyond my means. Probably I prioritized getting this AVR instead of having our bathroom tiles and shower fixed. Iba talaga diskarte ng mga AV addicts.
WELCOME TO PINOYDVD!!! :D
You are normal amongst us!
Hahaha
SARS-Speakers & AVR Replacement Syndrome
I know there is another meaning, but this one I find funny... and applicable to me... ;D :D
denon 2308 26,000 oooohhhh oooohhhh
denon 2808 42,000 aaaahhhh aaaahhhh
onkyo 705 29,000 haaahhhh
onkyo 805 31,000 huh huh huh
San tong price list na to? China?
Thanks for your kind words Lakambini. It was all blood, sweat, and tears for me. Wife is already complaining that i am living beyond my means. Probably I prioritized getting this AVR instead of having our bathroom tiles and shower fixed. Iba talaga diskarte ng mga AV addicts.
Disclosure first - I have a Denon 2808. This is my understanding of the current situation:
I don't think there is any player in the market today which can decode DTS-HD MA internally. In my understanding, the only way you can currently hear that is by sending it through HDMI 1.3 to a receiver (such as the Denon 2808) which can decode DTS-HD MA.
If you get the LPCM tracks from your player, you can send them through HDMI 1.1 to a lower-end receiver and that will be fine. However, these tracks are often not the fully uncompressed tracks, unlike DTS-HD MA and Dolby TruHD.
If the HD soundtrack is not in LPCM (such as Dolby TruHD), then you need to use the 5.1 analog channel, which means that your receiver will not be able to process them. In particular, you can't use the Audyssey room correction feature of Denon, Onkyo and Marantz. This is a huge weakness.
The other big feature of the Denon 2808 is that it has an advanced version of the Audyssey room correction feature, which can work wonders with your sound. A friend of mine uses a Denon 2808 (without separate power amps) in his 40 square meter HT and the sound is incredibly good - among the best I have heard.
With regard to price, I agree that it is quite expensive. That's why I sourced mine sa US and the cost was P20k cheaper than the local price (inclusive of shipping, taxes, etc.).
Now having said all of this, do I detect a difference between the high-def audio vs the legacy DD and DTS? So far, I feel that the difference is subtle, not "night and day." But I think the jury is still out.
this past weekend, i was able to demo the Paradigm Cinema 110ct home theater speaker set at S&S. when i entered the paradigm store (part of S&S), it was already playing B-13 (not sure if it was DVD or Blu-Ray) and i was amazed with the sound the small Paradigms produced. i checked out which receiver it was hooked up to and i thought it was connected to a Denon 2808. afrterwards, i requested for a demo of Pioneer's THX certified LX-50 receiver. sound was good but not that good compared to the Denon. when i asked the staff for the pricing of the 2808, he told me na medyo overkill na daw yung 2808. i told him nagandahan kasi ako sa narinig ko with that particular Denon paired with the small Paradigms, sabi niya ''sir, Denon 1708 yung nakakabit kanina na receiver'' :o
to cut it short, a 20k+ Denon 1708 sounded better than a 50K+ Pioneer THX certified LX-50 receiver when hooked up to the small Paradigm Cinema 110 home theater speaker set... at least with my listening taste. ;D
guys magkano ONKYO TX-SR875? tnx
anu po bang mas okay na receiver h/k avr347 or onkyo tx-sr805?
anu po bang mas okay na receiver h/k avr347 or onkyo tx-sr805?
This is a proof that in our hobby our ears has the final say.... and of course our pockets... ;D
hi guys, which is the better brand, denon or hk? do they sound the same or do they have different audio characteristics? :)
hi guys, which is the better brand, denon or hk? do they sound the same or do they have different audio characteristics? :)
i actually tried the denon 1508 and the hk 145. they both sounded similar. both sounded pretty good but the denon was 7.1 while the hk was just 5.1. would there be a bigger difference with the higher models? :)
i actually tried the denon 1508 and the hk 145. they both sounded similar. both sounded pretty good but the denon was 7.1 while the hk was just 5.1. would there be a bigger difference with the higher models? :)
hi guys, which is the better brand, denon or hk? do they sound the same or do they have different audio characteristics? :)
Hello guys!
I'm choosing between Onkyo TX-SR805 and TX-SR705. Which one has a better upscaling processor from standard DVD?
I would go for 705 with full 7.1 output for future expansion of more powerful amps... just my 2centimus. ;D
For me its not necessarily louder, but more headroom.
Just curious. Why would one need a more powerful amp? Is it just for higher power output which I understand translates to louder sound volume? Would it not be better to someday buy a new higher-end receiver (8xx or 9xx series Onkyo, for instance) with more powerful output/wattage 'coz the current receiver (say 705) might be outdated by then? ???
Thanks guys for the answers. I've done my research too and browsed through threads after threads here looking for answers. It seems that having a pre-out in a receiver is the best way to go for future upgradeability. I'm now more convinced to get a receiver with a pre-out, especially after reading the story of a member who changed lots of receivers in the past 4 years! Ayaw ko ata mangyari sakin 'to! :o
, especially after reading the story of a member who changed lots of receivers in the past 4 years!
What a crazy guy! :D ;D
What a crazy guy! :D ;D
What a crazy guy! :D ;D
10 Receivers in a row... :o :o :o ngayon magpapalit na naman dahil sa KULAY ::) ::) ::) (BLACK)
hindi yata crazy ang tawag dun, mayaman!!! ;D ;D ;D
I disagree, ang MAYAMAN di gumagamit ng receiver, naka PRE/PRO!
Tulad ni Macdon & AJ! :D
I disagree, ang MAYAMAN di gumagamit ng receiver, naka PRE/PRO!
Tulad ni Macdon & AJ! :D
anybody want's a mint condition onkyo txsr-804 black unit? but i have to ship it here in the u.s. i only used it 1yr but only for the 1st 6mos i used the built in amp. then the last 6mos i bought 2 rotel rmb-1066 to power all my speakers. it come's with the onkyo universal remote, auto set up microphone, antenna for the tuner, manual. i only moved the unit from my av rack to my tv rack coz i bought a separate rotel rsp-1066 processor.
i will pack it safely enough to withstand 30-45days or more of shipping handling. shipping is $65 which i'll include in the price of $1000.
i dont know why but i can't post any pictures. just reply to this post and i'll email the picture's i have of the onkyo txsr804 black unit.
anybody want's a mint condition onkyo txsr-804 black unit? but i have to ship it here in the u.s. i only used it 1yr but only for the 1st 6mos i used the built in amp. then the last 6mos i bought 2 rotel rmb-1066 to power all my speakers. it come's with the onkyo universal remote, auto set up microphone, antenna for the tuner, manual. i only moved the unit from my av rack to my tv rack coz i bought a separate rotel rsp-1066 processor.
i will pack it safely enough to withstand 30-45days or more of shipping handling. shipping is $65 which i'll include in the price of $1000.
i dont know why but i can't post any pictures. just reply to this post and i'll email the picture's i have of the onkyo txsr804 black unit.
bro, since you're selling your 804, you'll have better chances of finding a buyer if you post the unit at our Marketplace ... ;)
thanks milken, still researching. tiring. I read that the 806 is even inferior to the 805. a stripped down version of it's predecessor. Hmmmm. Yamaha 863 is sounding attractive @ 49k.
true. Audyssey seems to be a standard among newer receivers. since Onkyo has it, I'm also looking at the 806 (or was looking) and the 876..... but my wife is probably not gonna greenlight it. I'm also having my place acoustically designed by Matzter... hehe...baka maubos budget.
Matz thanks for the advice , I still own a pre audyessy reciever I was thinking of buying the 806 or 2809 to make sure I get the latest features ,but with your advice it might be good to buy last years model and save a bit ....
So is Audyssey worth it , if I were to upgrade from a pre audyssey reciever...
For Dynamic EQ and Dynamic volume, I dont like the sounds in this config. Since I watch at high volumes, I noticed the speech becomes unnatural and details become brittle sounding (edgy) at my regular listening volume. I switched back to the ordinary EQ and found it more appealing. For those wanting to upgrade their Audessey capable "last year's model" just for these 2 features, take my advice: DONT.
Denon 1909 or Onkyo 606?
paired with small bookshelf speakers (5.1 setup) and to be used in a secondary setup in a small listening area. :)
Lossless decoding a necessity for this small listening area?
yup :)
best bro would be to bring your speakrs sa bibilihan mo ng avr ang try both avr.
best bro would be to bring your speakrs sa bibilihan mo ng avr ang try both avr.
@blued888
what can you say about the performance of yammie 663 for audio... musically or more of HT
My unit has not arrived yet. It might arrive sometime next week. As for being musical or more HT, how do you quantify that?
planning to use the yamaha if bought for 50/50 both audio and HT.
ayaw ko n magbasa dito!!!! fixed nako sa 363 eh!=)
ayaw ko n magbasa dito!!!! fixed nako sa 363 eh!=)
you won't be fixed on one thing unless nasa posession mo na.hehe..minsan nga kahit nasa possesion mo na.di pa rin fix.. :)
@blued
bro. sooner or later you will feel the itch to go lossleses audio. ;D
BDP na!
Nag-audition na ako ng lossless vs. not lossless, hindi ko madistinguish yung difference kaya wala yung itch. ;D Buti nalang dahil magastos BD! Pag yung prices sa US bumaba na like DVDs pwede na siguro pero matagal pa yun eh.
Guys,
Need your best opinion... which to buy.
planning to buy a AVR this coming wednesday and im stuck between onkyo 606 and yamaha 663.
the new avr will be paired with jamo floorstanders.
Thanks!
FYI, the 663 has a "Pure Direct" mode which if the name implies correctly, bypasses any type of processing on the signal... Which I think would be good for music. Not sure if Onkyo has something similar.
meron din ang Onkyo, tapos between Denon 3806 and Onkyo 605, naku parang overmatched 120 W(per channel) vs 90 W hehe
my amateurish inputs
if i remember it right, Yamaha AVRs can accept/power speakers down to 4 ohms... some audio transducers have 4 ohms kaya you might also want to consider this low ohms capability of Yamahas in case you may catch or "get in love" with a pair of 4 ohm transducers in the near future... hehehehe
with 4 ohms output, my Yamaha squeezes out more power than its 8 ohms power output rating... say a 120 watts/ch/8ohms will go 190watts/ch/4ohms... not exact figures but that is sort of the idea
my previous Yahama AVR has "pure direct" switch too... very good for audio listening on my 4 ohms transducers
it also has subwoofer pre-out for a powered subwoofer which to me is also good for audio
cheers!!!
If you're looking into venturing to 4-ohm speakers, get a receiver with pre-outs plus an external amplifier otherwise you'd risk running your receiver into the clipping regions very often which would result in premature speaker/receiver failure.
Most receivers are not designed to handle a 4-ohm input that goes into high volumes, you're fine if you listen to low volumes but otherwise it will tax the amplifier, causing more heat than usual because of the 4-ohm load. And 4-ohm speakers mean that they essentially dip to the 3.xx or 2.xx regions at various frequencies. "120 watts/ch/8ohms will go 190watts/ch/4ohms" is dynamic power and this is for a few milliseconds only. A receiver absolutely will not handle 190W constantly given a 4-ohm load. :)
If you're looking into venturing to 4-ohm speakers, get a receiver with pre-outs plus an external amplifier otherwise you'd risk running your receiver into the clipping regions very often which would result in premature speaker/receiver failure.
Continuous or RMS power simply tells us how much power a given amp can deliver day-in/day-out on a steady basis. (RMS stands for root means square, an equation that specifies average power.) An amplifier's peak power might be three times its continuous rating, or even greater, but that rating is only available for milliseconds
Guys,
Need your best opinion... which to buy.
planning to buy a AVR this coming wednesday and im stuck between onkyo 606 and yamaha 663.
the new avr will be paired with jamo floorstanders.
Thanks!
nakapili ka na ba?
Guys,
Thanks for the infos..... got a new yammie 663!
and im enjoying it though 2 channel palang set up ko ;D
planning to finish my setup this coming feb..... ipon muna ulit.
Guys,
Thanks for the infos..... got a new yammie 663!
and im enjoying it though 2 channel palang set up ko ;D
planning to finish my setup this coming feb..... ipon muna ulit.
hi sir, what are your speakers now?
hi sir, what are your speakers now?@ ivann
any comments on this? pros and cons as well as the price? il be using B&W speakers yung 685 model.
TIA ;)
i'd go for hk. great audio quality! you might want to wait for the release of the hk 255 here. at least you'll be covered by the local warranty. :)
kindly pm price of HK255 / 265. tnx
How loud is reference level? ;D Madalas ko po ito mabasa sa mag. Say your receiver has a volume from -80db to +10. Saang volume considered ang reference level?
How loud is reference level? ;D Madalas ko po ito mabasa sa mag. Say your receiver has a volume from -80db to +10. Saang volume considered ang reference level?
I have some idea, but I'm still not confident that I understand it fully. While we're waiting for the experts to reply, allow me to share what I have in mind:
How loud is reference level? Assuming that your set-up (receiver + speakers + content, including room interactions) is properly calibrated for volume levels, Reference Level is at "0" position on your AV Receiver's volume control.
The goal of a reference level is to standardize volume levels by allowing a comparison with a fixed volume level.
"0 dBFS" (decibel full scale) refers to the maximum possible amplitude level in a digital system without clipping. Values lower than the maximum level are represented by negative numbers.
But the 0 dBFS level is still not the reference level, since audio equipments are calibrated using a pink noise signal that is recorded at around 10 dB below 0 dBFS. That's because a zero value is considered too loud --- loud enough to cause hearing damage.
That -10 dB adjustment gives us a lower reference level at listening position with an average of 85 dB SPL (sound pressure level), and a maximum of 105 dB SPL. The LFE (Low Frequency Effects) channel is given a maximum of 115 dB SPL. I'm not sure why the LFE is 10 dB louder, but I speculate it's because the human ear is less sensitive to low frequencies, so it was boosted to compensate.
Therefore, with a calibrated setup, a "0" level on your receiver should give you a reference level of 105 dB SPL max. and 115 dB SPL max. for LFE.
But remember that the reference level is not the recommended volume level for playback purposes. It was formulated merely to give us a standard so that when we say, for example, that we listened at "-20 dB", we would know we are talking about more or less the same volume level.
I usually set my AVR at -15 dB, and I would imagine it to be close to what the director and sound engineers intended. It's already quite loud at -15 dB... but listening at 0 level would be insanely loud, probably even dangerous to your hearing.
Just in case you feel a 0 dB level is still not loud enough, I recommend that you visit an ear specialist first before going back to your favorite audio-video shop ... :D
I have Wharfedale speakers. Question ko lang, if you have an Audyssey-equipped Onkyo/Denon, would receiver-speaker matching be irrelevant, since the total sound output will be automatically equalized anyway? In other words, would a Denon-Wharfe combination be fine?
Well....for a man on a budget...who is looking for a serious bang for buck reciever.....you answered my question. Thanx for your technical yet very comprehensive review. Next phase for me is canvasing for the best deal for cash including delivery and installation. Will be looking to buy as soon as I get my bonus......hopefully very soon.
Again thanx for the review.
Yamaha 663 or HK 254/255 ?
the harman is really really tempting, its selling only for $518 on amazon now with free ipod dock and two remotes (main and zone 2). problem really is the issues. even with the firmware upgrades, a lot of people still complain about the video and audio dropouts. so its really hard to pull the trigger on this avr.
sayang! :(
you might want to try out the hk 355. it's the asian version. distributor says there are no bugs. i'm using one at home right now and so far no problems. i love the sound! :) i can give you a good deal on the 255 and 355 models. :)
can you pm me cash prices sir?
Madami talaga problema yung 254 and 354 series ng HK sa USA.
Di ko trip yung interface ng HK, mas sanay ako sa Yamaha.
Finally bit the bullet and just got a denon 2809 c/o the very good services of SGT home theater ..i agree. same equip here
But setup is still ongoing .. Recievers are getting very complicated and not plug and play any more...
Yamaha 663 or HK 254/255 ?
Guys, need your urgent opinion.
Has anyone able to compare Yamaha RX-V663 with Denon AVR-1909? Regardless of the budget, which one is recommended?
Thanks.
Yamaha rx-v863 or Denon 2809?
Which is better receiver? I'm more on movies. 90% ht 10% audio.
I'm using Monitor Audio RS6 and RSlCR.
Yamaha rx-v863 or Denon 2809?
Which is better receiver? I'm more on movies. 90% ht 10% audio.
I'm using Monitor Audio RS6 and RSlCR.
Streetsmart,
how about onkyo sr806 vs. denon avr-2809? they have the same audyssey. which is more better or compatible with MA?
I'm looking for an A/V receiver. Budget is 10k-25k. I've searched for the Yamaha RX-V465, is this available her in the Philippines? Is there's a similar receiver cheaper than this one? I'm open to any recommendations. FYI, noob in here. Have an HTIB and planning to throw it away and create HT for movies, PS3, xbox360 and HTPC(na 2.1 speakers lang).. Audio n lang kulang ko...
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=5027893&CTID=5000300
Thanks,
The Denon 2809 has Audyssey MultEQ XT while the Onkyo 806 has Audyssey MultEQ. There is a big difference. The XT version has 8x greater resolution for the main speakers than the non-XT version. Denon 2809
If you ask me, I don't really think the main issue is compatibility with the speakers. I don't think you will find much difference between the 2 in that regard. I think that the Denon 2809 uses Burr Brown DACs while the 806 uses Cirrus Logic. Burr Brown is supposed to be better but I'm not sure you will hear that much of a difference.
With regard to video processing, both use Faroudja chips, which aren't great. If you want a really big improvement, you can go for the Onkyo 876 which uses HQV-Reon.
sir,
h/k vs. denon? which is better? 90% ht 10 audio.
which among the 3 ang ok na receiver?
yamaha 663, 665, or 765?
Honestly I'd get the 663. Unless you need the additional HDMI outputs of the latter two models and you like the white/bluish-white display.
All of these receivers decode lossless audio format. What else exactly are you looking for on these receivers?
Power-wise, the equivalent of the 663 is the 765.
if konti lang price difference, would you get 765 over the 663? :D
How konti is konti? ;D
less say around 3k or less? ;D
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Guys, what's the main difference between the 2 units? Aside from the fact that the 663 has plenty of S-video connections, which would you choose...?
Guys, what's the main difference between the 2 units? Aside from the fact that the 663 has plenty of S-video connections, which would you choose...?
I NEVER use the HDMI/S-video connection naman ng mga receiver, I plug it directly sa TV, so that won't be the deciding factor, pero siyempre iba ang may extrang input...
Seeing that you have a Panasonic Blu-ray player, you'd have to utilize the HDMI connection in order to be able to output lossless audio tracks.
Hindi pwede ang lossless (DD TrueHD, DTS-HD MA) via optical or digital coaxial. Pwede lang through analog outputs (pero madaming RCA yun) or HDMI.
between yamaha 663 and onkyo 705 alin ang mas ok? tnx
I understand,...
So the 765 would be a better choice then...?
ABC
Supposedly, the 705 is a notch above the 663. Onkyo equivalent of the 663 is the 606. Comparing the specifications sheet side-by-side would be a good place to start.
Don't be overwhelmed by the power rating difference between the two, because if you really need more power, you should look into getting an external power amplifier instead of doing a minor receiver upgrade.
Weigh out mo muna siguro yung minor differences, which I mentioned above, between the two before deciding which to get. Medyo mahirap talaga mag-decide kasi sobrang minor ng differences between the specifications and the price. ;D Ayaw ko magbigay ng definite sagot dahil baka ako pa ang masisi. LOL ;D
I use a 663 pero ang nakaconnect lang kasi dun is 1 optical cable and the speakers.
new here in pdvd.. i have the wdtv.. and was wondering what receiver is the best? already have the sony ht 5.1.. please advise whats good.. thanks
nope.. sony htib po.. no coaxial or optical... old na kasi
yes i think so..
does the onkyo have OSD through HDMI? Yes
does the onkyo have a volume display overlaid on your display through HDMI? Yes
similar price kasi sila locally.
i have a 2307 which only has 2 HDMI inputs and it just so happens i need a tertiary setup, so i was thinking of demoting my 2307. (kasalanan to ng NMT)
i like the blue light thing :)
ang ayaw ko sa denon is the remote. to switch to AUX input via remote, kailangan pa i-flip yung remote sa back panel. pero i've had good luck with Denon. i also own two 3808's.
ang ayaw ko sa denon is the remote. to switch to AUX input via remote, kailangan pa i-flip yung remote sa back panel. pero i've had good luck with Denon. i also own two 3808's.
walang hiya sir mike. may dual 3808 ka na pala. then going for your first onkyo might be the way to go. para you will have insight into both brands. ;)
in all honesty, wala namang tapon both brands. although onkyo has always been known for its bang for the buck products (putting a lot of features for lesser dollars / pesos). :D
OT
Kaya nga manually ko 'to ginagawa sa reciever ko kasi naka-plastic pa rin ang remote ko hanggang ngayon. Medyo oc kasi. ;D
Sir how much po ba ang 2309 at 706 dito sa'tin?
TIA
SRP ng 2309 47k tapos 706 46k
pero si sir nemesis is selling the 2808 for 35k ngayon ah. i know its an older model, but its higher end. just like the 705 that was sold at the marketplace, 24k lang!!! there are still some stocks coming this july for the 705 i think. ;D
220v ba sir?
yup.
here are the links.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=60748.5340 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=60748.5340)
2808
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97331.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97331.0)
705
thanks sir iiinas. will call theaterworks to see what's available. :)
similar price kasi sila locally.
i have a 2307 which only has 2 HDMI inputs and it just so happens i need a tertiary setup, so i was thinking of demoting my 2307. (kasalanan to ng NMT)
i like the blue light thing :)
ang ayaw ko sa denon is the remote. to switch to AUX input via remote, kailangan pa i-flip yung remote sa back panel. pero i've had good luck with Denon. i also own two 3808's.
brader mike! harmony lang ang sagot diyan! its da ONE!
yung perception na one brand is better for movies and the other for both music and movies mas nakikita ko lang dito sa pdvd. i'd go for power and i would go for the onkyo. 110v nga lang ito pero makakatawad ka pa ata. ;D swak pa sa budget.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97591.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97591.0)
pamana mo na lang sa akin... ;D
i also don't agree with a certain sound to each receiver (i've tried yamaha, HK's and denon's) but to each his own really. i choose by features and looks :)
ok nga price niyan 805, kaya lang 110v e. i can easily get 110v units sa US kaya lang i really do prefer 220v (nung bata kasi ako nakatosta na ako ng tv)
question po ulit:
yung 12v trigger ng Onkyo, nakasulat for zone 2. puwede ba yun mag trigger ng amp sa (main) zone 1?
sino po may personal experience ... thanks in advance
hahaha late reply.
pwede zone 2 12v trigger for external amp. using main-outs(zone1) as source. You want to use external amp and want to control external amp via 12v triger tama ba? YES
P.S. sphanuel na lang po sir mike.
denon din pala binagakan mo sir mike. hehe. excellent choice nonetheless. congrats!!!
i'm also looking for a detailed comparison with both receivers.. have you auditioned both receivers? how are they in terms of performance?
Hi guys im new here in pdvd aswell and been lurking for 2 days straight just pure reading kasi totally noob ako sa receivers, matagal na ako sa htpc but bumigay ang logitech z5500 ko and sad to say na wala na warranty plus wala nag rerepair, so nakita ko tong thread and will be switching to the real thing na, actually im eyeing for the yamaha 663 din kasi nabasa ko ok, hindi ko din sana need medyo madaming hdmi plug since asa HTPC na lahat ng kelangan, basically ang need ko is a descent receiver with coax/optical. any other brands na prefer nyo guys besides 663? para maka pili.. tia guys
hi thanks sir iiinas, does onkyos have service centers here? ayaw ko na kasi bumili ng things na mahirap repair like yun logitech z5500 ko nasayang lang kasi.. and if ever id get those onkyos, can you recommend me some speaker combinations for them? i have an old school polk audio psw100 subwoofer i dont know kung compatible sya dyan sa new receivers? ty
bali meron yun red and white na saksakan sya sa likod, so pwede pa pala to pag chagaan habang receiver muna ang uunahin ko bilihin.. thanks guys..
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ito pic nun sa likod nun sub, hopefully kung pwede ko to gamitin sa new receivers eh pag chchagaan ko na muna habang dahan dahan mag palit ng speakers
@blued8888
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ito pic nun sa likod nun sub, hopefully kung pwede ko to gamitin sa new receivers eh pag chchagaan ko na muna habang dahan dahan mag palit ng speakers
So you think this will still be ok sir? will be used mostly in gaming through pc since naka htpc ako, hd and bluray movies din thorugh pc and ofcourse music.. and sa receivers mostly nababasa ko some are good in music, some in movies, but how about little gaming hehe medyo hirap mag hanap ng feedback
so bali without pushing the zone 2 button on the remote, pag-on ng receiver, on na rin ang external amp connected to the 12v trigger?
Mga pips,
Need your inputs.. Which is which? Denon 1509, 1610 or Onkyo 507?
60% movies and 40% music.
ewan ko kung isyu sa inyo ang init, pero may kaibigan akong first time nagka onkyo - ayaw n'ya. lakas daw uminit although normal pero sa ganung malakas uminit, para sa akin dapat may alalay na fan para tumagal ang internal parts pati na ang hinang. sanay s'ya sa yamaha kaya hinahanap n'ya characteristics nito sa onkyo. ayaw na daw nya umulit ng onkyo.
ayokong siraan ang anumang brand kase kada isa naman ay may kanya-kanyang lakas at kahinaan at ganun din sa owners, kanya-kanyang type.
look at the specs/features/price. kung malaking room doon ka na sa mataas RMS para di bitin. halos lahat naman ng bagong AVRs ngayon ay loaded na sa features e.
best is to audition talaga hangga't maaari. at syempre pa kada AVR ay may binabagayang speakers kaya mahirap na basta na lang sumunod sa mga payo ng iba. magkakaiba tayo ng pandinig at/o taste.
hth ;)
imho, i'd get the denon. ;D
mas affordable po ba mga boss ang denon compare to onkyo or harman/kardon?
guys what do you recommend between this receivers?
Onkyo
TX-sr607
TX-sr606
Yamaha
Rx-v563
Rx-V665
Rx-v565
guys, could you help me which receiver is better? pioneer vsx1019 and onkyo 607? Thanks!
If you can afford it go for Denon. If not go for Onkyo. Go for the mid-level model and not the entry level. The best, audition both. If money is not the problem, buy both ;D ;D ;D
I used to own Yamaha, Pioneer and currently Onkyo. but i've always wanted a Denon. Unfortunately, the features i am looking for is only present on mid to high level Denon which is very pricey. However, with the same features that i wanted, i was able to get it from Onkyo, with a big difference in price (at least for me).
But there are others out there like Harman or better yet scour the Marketplace. ;)
guys, could you help me which receiver is better? pioneer vsx1019 and onkyo 607? Thanks!
My overall preference is for the Pioneer, mostly for its MCACC system but I love its high-end look, too...
...It really is that good, and at the price, a game changer.
Get the Yamaha RX-V665 if you want to be a bit future-proofed since it has pre-outs. All the others don't. Stay away from the RX-V563 if you need lossless audio decoding.
I don't think you can go wrong with either.
This will help :)
http://www.soundadviceblog.com/?page_id=1120
What about NAD T770, any comment guys?
Thanks! Newbie here in forum.
I'm choosing between the HK AVR255 and the Onkyo TX-SR607..
Not sure which is a better choice for me.. I plan to use it mostly for movies..
how much do 607s go for these days?
I was in the same dilemma. I ended up getting an Hk 255. Im a 50/50 HT and Audio user. The HK performs very well in both esp. in audio. Im very happy with my purchase. :D :)
Whoa same dilemma here. how much do h/k 255 cost mga sir? ang ganda kasi ng design ng h/k but I'm worried since madame ako nababasa na ang h/k is good for audio listening. I'm gonna use it more on movies kasi. alin kaya ang mas okay. :D hehe.
Whoa same dilemma here. how much do h/k 255 cost mga sir? ang ganda kasi ng design ng h/k but I'm worried since madame ako nababasa na ang h/k is good for audio listening. I'm gonna use it more on movies kasi. alin kaya ang mas okay. :D hehe.
xxx But I forgot to put that I will be using the AV receiver as a pre/pro since I have wonderful powered speakers in my studio already- http://www.genelec.com/products/2-way-monitors/8050a/
had the chance to audition the HK avr255 at avshop together with the infinity primus, polk audion tsi series and the b&w's 683.. panalo ! ;) linaw in both audio and movies ;)
guys, denon 2808 or denon 1910 ? to pair with wharfe 9.5/cm/dfs speakers?
2808 is older higher end model right? almost same price range sila dalawa eh....
thanks sir mike, ot: laki na utang ko sayo, dami mo na sinagot na questions ko :) salamat sir! salamat pdvd! :)
walang utang sa forums ... kung meron man kapalit: pay it forward. help someone else with something you are familiar with, that's how forums work ;)
thanks mga sirs! will do pag marami na rin akong kaalaman :) btw, found out na sub preout lang pala sa 1910, so... 2808 it is! 2 hdmi inputs can be resolved naman using hdmi switch :)
Hey, Mike! That's a great analogy. Pay it forward! :)
gurus, any thoughts on the onkyo 607 vs denon 1910? had been delaying getting an AVR until now...
guys anu mas ok , denon 1909, onkyo 607 or hk 255? will be buying na this week and finalizing nalang almost at the same price range kasi sila
Hello mga sir,
I am looking at a few entry level receivers. The Yamaha rx-v465, Denon 1610, HK avr-155 to replace my Marantz sr3001.
My speakers are Wharfedale Diamond 9.6, 9cs, 9dfs.
I would appreciate your opinions very much on what would be best for this setup. Thanks.
mga sirs, so di maganda yun denon 1610? newbie lang po kasi ako...for ps3 (30%), blu ray (30%) and music (40%), m also looking at the 507 or yamaha 465...
I don't know if there is a thread for this already. I haven't audition yet, but before I go ahead for an auditio, I would like to know your preferences over:
denon 1909/1910 VS marantz sr4003/sr5003.
these are the AVRs I liked (and can afford :-)) on paper and have satisfied my requirements which are:
- 55% music/45% HT
- video upscaling to 1080p
- multi-channel analog inputs (for DVD-A/SACD)
- Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD (nice to have but can live without it)
I've had 2 yamaha AVRs and still like it but my interest has shifted to music lately hence the need to change AVR. I am leaning towards marantz by sheer reputation of its musicality. Please help me decide guys.
the 1610 has the advantage of having dolby truehd and dts-hd. :)
mga sirs, so di maganda yun denon 1610? newbie lang po kasi ako...for ps3 (30%), blu ray (30%) and music (40%), m also looking at the 507 or yamaha 465...
Ok lang ba yung 75watts/channel of Denon 1610 compared to 105watts/channel of Yamaha 465?
Thank you for the very useful information sir :) I have one more question though, di po ba masyadong mahina ang 75 w/channel...I mean, is the Denon 1610 future proof -- meaning in terms of speakers -- sa ngayon ok pa kasi wharfedale 9.1 pa lang, how about in the future if I have the money already to upgrade to b&w, etc, di po ba ako mabibitin?
thanks!
If it has pre-outs, you can just buy power amps in the future if you want more power. It it doesn't and you need more power, get Klipsch or other high-sensitivity speakers and you'll still be ok.
But I suspect that even if you had the extra power, you'd probably upgrade the AVR in the future anyhow cuz AVR technology is improving so fast.
sir, i read something about the onkyo 607...ganda daw po entry level...how much po d2 sa atin?
--update: 31k from avshop
thank you po sa mga responses nyo sirs!
Guys patulong naman, im off to shop for a new AV receiver and my budget is more or less mga 30K. I am looking at the Denon 1909 but it seems it has a lot of issues with regards to its user friendliness sa pag setup as mentioned by raptor and other peeps all over the web who also have the same issues with denon 1909, so what are my other options? lets say sa Yamaha? Onkyo? HK? what receiver has the best bang-for-the-buck within my budget of 30-35k?
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Guys patulong naman, im off to shop for a new AV receiver and my budget is more or less mga 30K. I am looking at the Denon 1909 but it seems it has a lot of issues with regards to its user friendliness sa pag setup as mentioned by raptor and other peeps all over the web who also have the same issues with denon 1909, so what are my other options? lets say sa Yamaha? Onkyo? HK? what receiver has the best bang-for-the-buck within my budget of 30-35k?
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SIr try mo yun harman kardon 255 .. dali lang sya gamitin halos same level sila ng denon 1909 ata ;)
Mga sirs tulong po on choosing the right receiver. Pinagpipilian ko ngayon Marantz 6003, Onkyo 876 and equivalent Denon model 3310 or 2310?...I haven't audition them yet and probably might not have the luxury of time to do so due to my limited vacation time. Anyway, i'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. 70/30 music/ movie usage. I'm leaning towards Marantz as i'm coming from Marantz 4400 and been satisfied with it. But now, I have this itch to upgrade to max. out the benefit of the new sound format as well as the benefit of Audyssey calibration (no sound treatment due to WAF). Currently i'm using PS3 as source for BD and Pioneer for audio. Display is 42" panasonic plasma. Any inputs / suggestions are very much welcome. Thanks in advance.
Mga sirs tulong po on choosing the right receiver. Pinagpipilian ko ngayon Marantz 6003, Onkyo 876 and equivalent Denon model 3310 or 2310?...I haven't audition them yet and probably might not have the luxury of time to do so due to my limited vacation time. Anyway, i'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. 70/30 music/ movie usage. I'm leaning towards Marantz as i'm coming from Marantz 4400 and been satisfied with it. But now, I have this itch to upgrade to max. out the benefit of the new sound format as well as the benefit of Audyssey calibration (no sound treatment due to WAF). Currently i'm using PS3 as source for BD and Pioneer for audio. Display is 42" panasonic plasma. Any inputs / suggestions are very much welcome. Thanks in advance.
kewl ang ganda nga ng hk avr 255 ^_^ still researching which one is better vs denon1910. sa yamaha or onkyo wala katapat?
Mga sirs tulong po on choosing the right receiver. Pinagpipilian ko ngayon Marantz 6003, Onkyo 876 and equivalent Denon model 3310 or 2310?...I haven't audition them yet and probably might not have the luxury of time to do so due to my limited vacation time. Anyway, i'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. 70/30 music/ movie usage. I'm leaning towards Marantz as i'm coming from Marantz 4400 and been satisfied with it. But now, I have this itch to upgrade to max. out the benefit of the new sound format as well as the benefit of Audyssey calibration (no sound treatment due to WAF). Currently i'm using PS3 as source for BD and Pioneer for audio. Display is 42" panasonic plasma. Any inputs / suggestions are very much welcome. Thanks in advance.
@ sir streetmart, you are right sir it should be Denon 3808 and not the latest models if i want more value for money. i'm just curious though, how good Denon is when it comes to music reproduction compare with Marantz 6003 and Onkyo 876? I'm going to pair it with Ikon 6. By the way sir, do you happen to know the prevailing price at the market for 3808? i prefer local version 220v..
My guesses:
The Onkyo 876 has better video processing because of its Reon chip. However, it runs very hot so you need to keep it well-ventilated and its reputed to have inferior sound quality as compared to the Denon 3808, maybe because of the DACs.
The Marantz 6003 is reputed to have pretty good audio and my guess is again the DACs but it has an inferior version of Audyssey (only MultEQ vs MultEQ XT for the Denon 3808, which provides 8x more filters for the satellite speakers, i.e., all speakers other than the sub). Furthermore, there have been a lot of comments about problems with Audyssey processing for Marantz AVRs. Given the importance of Audyssey room correction for sound quality in your room, this is a big factor. No matter how good your amps are, it is most often your room that compromises the sound quality the most. Ergo, Audyssey room correction is invaluable for sound quality.
The Denon 3808 also has an incredibly good GUI. I used to think this was just a "nice to have" but I realized quickly that its a god-send cuz its so easy to make adjustments on the fly. It makes it much easier to set-up the AVR.
With regard to local price, frankly I don't know. You'd have to check out one of the many shops. Maybe Sights & Sounds would give you a good deal. I think that AV Driver is the authorized distributor locally. Make sure you get the latest version of the 3808, which should have Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Volume, both of which are great technologies.
Good luck!
the new denon models are now even more musical than before. come check them out. :)
sowie but i really don't know much about the features that i need, of course sound quality is a given. i need it to drive a 5.1 system and probably upgrade to a 7.1 in the future.
All i know is that as long as i can connect my xbox, ps3, popcorn c200 and blue ray and that its primary use would be for playing games and watching movies im good to go. also a primary concern would be if its easy to set-up.
sir mark,
pano pala i-activate ang EXT-IN input sa 3808? :D
can't find it sa manual e ...
TIA
Mike, IIRC, you can activate this per input. Go to the input menu and change the audio source to EXT-IN.
IIRC, the other way is through the remote. Select the input and then press the touchscreen for audio input (don't recall the exact name). It will toggle thru the different options so just wait till it goes to EXT-IN
thanks sir mark :) will try that. i've been using the ordinary inputs for the AS-EQ1 when the manual says to use the EXT-IN kasi.
The EXT-IN inputs will provide an analog signal and no processing at all, particularly Audyssey. So it should be quite different. I don't know why SVS requires it that way but I guess that needs to be followed.
do you have denon avr-790? please pm me the price if you have it.
do you have denon avr-790? please pm me the price if you have it.
Hmm ... when I was doing my own research for a receiver, it became a toss up between the Denon and the HK. The HK AFAIR is the only receiver of the bunch that has pre-outs (meaning you can connect it to an external power amp if you wanted to do that kind of upgrade), plus all reviews point to the HK as being the most musical sounding.
What the Denon has going for it is more features, the most attractive one being the Audyssey room eq. HK also has an auto setup/eq feature, but it doesn't nearly sound as good as the Audyssey implementation. Also, the Denon seemed more reliable than the HK.
Have you tried auditioning the receivers you've mentioned? If you still don't have a preference after doing an A/B comparison between the Denon and the HK, I'd go with the Denon for its Audyssey. It would have more of an impact in your environment IMO.
Just my two cents (all theoretical. ^^)
Cheers!
Hmm ... when I was doing my own research for a receiver, it became a toss up between the Denon and the HK. The HK AFAIR is the only receiver of the bunch that has pre-outs (meaning you can connect it to an external power amp if you wanted to do that kind of upgrade), plus all reviews point to the HK as being the most musical sounding.
What the Denon has going for it is more features, the most attractive one being the Audyssey room eq. HK also has an auto setup/eq feature, but it doesn't nearly sound as good as the Audyssey implementation. Also, the Denon seemed more reliable than the HK.
Have you tried auditioning the receivers you've mentioned? If you still don't have a preference after doing an A/B comparison between the Denon and the HK, I'd go with the Denon for its Audyssey. It would have more of an impact in your environment IMO.
Just my two cents (all theoretical. ^^)
Cheers!
Sir, what Denon model did you purchase?
So basically from your inputs I'm guessing all these AVRs sound good but it boils down to features nila
Denon AVR 1910 (31,000php)
Onkyo TXSR607 (28,900php)
Yamaha RX-V665 (30,000php)
Harman Kardon AVR-255 (29,500php)
When we say heat issues... obviously it gets hot, but does it also mean that it overheats, causing shutdowns, more often or do these units have a higher threshold for heat before it shuts down?
I'm planning on buying a new AVR and I'm torn between a Pioneer VSX-1019 and a Denon 2310. I would appreciate your input. TIA.
I'm planning on buying a new AVR and I'm torn between a Pioneer VSX-1019 and a Denon 2310. I would appreciate your input. TIA.
one thing that helps me decide is to list the pros and cons of each receiver, but that's dependent on the user on what you think is important ... it's also easier to eliminate choices than to choose a winner.
basically, find the faults in all the receivers and eliminate the ones that you can't live with.
pros would be:
- what features you require now
- what features you will require in the future
- pre-outs
I'm planning on buying a new AVR and I'm torn between a Pioneer VSX-1019 and a Denon 2310. I would appreciate your input. TIA.DENON :D
consider also -- PRICE ;D
+1, but if price is not an issue, go for the denon. :)
but to make your life harder. why only pioneer and denon. why not add yamaha, onkyo and hk into the mix. ;D
Sir, what models you could recommend from the other brands you mentioned with a 50k budget? The Pioneer costs $500 in the US but it costs 40k here and I could get the Denon at 47k.
as i said, if money is no object, i would get the denon. since the other brand's mid to high end model would also fall into the 50-70k range. the 2310 is no slouch. i am just not sure if the 2310 has pre-outs (which can enable you to connect to an external amplifier in the future). the onkyo 806 has pre-outs and i think would be at the same price range as the 2310. but if the 2310 has pre-outs. go with denon.
btw, what speakers are you going to get. matching of avr and speakers is also another thing you have to think about. known avr - speaker match are: yamaha & wharfedale, onkyo & mission. although its not a done thing, but those combo has been very satisfying to a lot of our members here. :)
I'm planning to buy B & W speakers. From the UK forums I read, the 2310 has no pre-outs.
Asian version has pre-outs, I think. avshop can confirm this for you.
go for onkyo and you will never regret it. Only try to go one step higher since 507 does pass through only on the hdmi.... go for 607 or even the 606 will be fine.
I had my Tx-sr876 with jamo C series for almost a year now and its superb for both movies and music.
The onkyo 507 has HDMI 1.3a repeater and not pass through.
baka makadagdag sa decision making. I used to have yamaha then got the chance to get the anniv series onkyo 604 paired with jamo 606 and i must say it changed the way i viewed onkyo i really love the sound especially with movies. just recently about 3 months, i got an onkyo606 after reading lots and lots of thread. im using diamond series all through out 9.5 front, 9cs, 9dfs and 9.1 and im very happy with it. the reviews and forums were never wrong although i must admit it sounds better for movies than music(review says it that way really) but im very happy with the movie set up. the explosion scenes are really lifelike and the very powerful as if it explodes inside the room. im sure the higher models that our fellow ht people in this thread would even sound more superior than 606 but for starters 606 really provides high satsifaction.
people say that the hotter it is, the shorter the life of the equipment ... that said, i'm sure the designers took this into consideration. i personally always use a PC fan powered by a wallwart AC to 12vDC connected to the switched outlet of the receiver and that itself is sufficient to keep the receiver very cool :)
Need your inputs on what receiver to pair a Polk Audio RTi a7.
Recommended amp power: 20-300w per channel
2 channel setup lang gagawin ko (more on music kasi). I prefer a receiver that has a treble and bass control. No sub will be used din kasi. Harman Kardon ang first choice ko kaso 120w per channel na ang pinakamataas na nakita ko.
Any recommendations/comment/suggestions would be of great help. More power guys!
Hi Mike! How do you make this work? Where can I buy wallwart AC to power-up PC fan? Of all the (9) receivers I owned, the onkyo(804) is pretty "HOT" that I can't even touch it after 2 hours of playing. Hindi naman nagshut-shot off, I even torture test it 4 hours straight, i am just worried. ;D
This is usually available with USB-to-SATA adapters for hard disks. I believe you can also purchase this wallwart AC to 12vdc from TipidPC and possibly CD-R King (parang meron kasi lahat ng gamit dun, kaya it's worth a check).
DENON! :)
why denon 1910 over HK 355? what are the best factor and the pros & cons?
Thanks!!!
Im thinking of replacing my Yamaha 363 with a Denon 1610. Both entry level AVRs, cheapest sa brands nila. But the 363 is just 14k and the Denon is 21k. The latter has HD hd audio pero si yammy pass thru lang. I think same lang ang power output nila, 75w.
Denon's Audyssey is a superior speaker/roomn correction feature versus Yamaha's YPAO.
Am i missing a lot kung si Yamaha ko is just video/audio passthru lang? Tama ba na upscaler na din si 1610?
Thanks a lot! ( kamot kamot ;D )
Im thinking of replacing my Yamaha 363 with a Denon 1610. Both entry level AVRs, cheapest sa brands nila. But the 363 is just 14k and the Denon is 21k. The latter has HD hd audio pero si yammy pass thru lang. I think same lang ang power output nila, 75w.
Denon's Audyssey is a superior speaker/roomn correction feature versus Yamaha's YPAO.
Am i missing a lot kung si Yamaha ko is just video/audio passthru lang? Tama ba na upscaler na din si 1610?
Thanks a lot! ( kamot kamot ;D )
brader,
try mo ito:
onkyo 606 110 volts http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=100754.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=100754.0)
onkyo 605 240 volts http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=102448.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=102448.0)
both are 20k. not the latest 6 series (607 ang latest) but in my opinion definitely better than the 1610 in features. also have audyssey.
meron ba on screen TV menu ang Denon 1910?
how true it's really hard to setup the Denon 1910? most of the review esp sa cnet mahirap daw e setup.
Thanks!
we're done in our avr audition yesterday.
yong wala sa list ko.. yon pa ang nakuha ko. Kakagulat nga eh our vote goes to Onkyo 607
iba talaga pag nag audition :)
Thanks DOM!!!!
I'm looking for AVR both good Music and Movies where audio/music audio output +30% better than movies audio. and AVR has features in converting the component analog into HD 1080p
Which is good to buy Denon 1910 vs HK 355?
may speaker are MonitorAudio B2 (surround), B4 (front), BCLR (center) and Velo CHT10
I need your advice..
Thanks & Mabuhay PinoyDVD!!!!!
sir nogie now ko lang nakita yung question mo sa fan. im using ONKYO 606 and all the reviews are telling na it really gets hot but i still proceeded getting this one over YAMAHA 663 and I think DENON 1910. Whta I did is buy a small exhaust fan from DEECO for about 170 pesos. The fan does not sound loud and not annoying and with this, I can keep the ONKYO temperature in check. Di na sya umiinit. I spoke with ym friend who owns and AV shop, apparently, the 606 has a built in protection for overheating and im not sure how but he says it comes with a cooling system that gets activated when it needs to be. I did not check it though becuase the exhaust fans I bought does the trick already.
I git intereseted in your SONY because ots a higher model though hehehehehe.
denon 1910 or onkyo 607?
may onscreen menu ba onkyo 607?
i heard that denon 1910 has better upscaling than onlyo 607. how true is this?
sa mga nakapag-audition ng 2 units na ito. which one is better?
i own 5.1 bookshelf Mission speakers.
of those three i'd choose the onkyo for its discreet amplification and audyssey functions, 2 features not in the other two. don't rely too much on the power specs.Salamat Sir sa feedback. this will help. :)
i noticed you had earlier similar inquiries, you might also want to review the replies especially those from our gurus & legends here at pdvd. many have already given their golden pieces of advice.
happy hunting!
The Audyssey MultEQ room correction technology. It's like magic. Read about the technology at the Audyssey website.
Kabibili ko lang ng tr 307...ang sayacongrats sir!
tol smitfraud, san mo nabili ang tr307 mo? dun sa suki ko ng audio store mahal pa kahit ayong yammy 365.Sa listening room sa mega mall..
HELP suggest onkyo 607 or Denon 1910?
both are 90 watts/channel @8ohms
To be paired with polks audio TSI speakers
HELP suggest onkyo 607 or Denon 1910?
both are 90 watts/channel @8ohms
To be paired with polks audio TSI speakers
Hi guys,
I know the term "better" is subjective. Pero tanong ko na lang din, alin sa dalawa Pioneer 819 and Yamaha 365) ang mas preferrable for movies (80%) and music (20%)? Price difference is not big (the Yamaha being more expensive by only PHP 1,500). As expected kasi, sabi ng mga promo guys nila, mas maganda ang kani-kaniyang brand.
sadfully, Ive an TSDX-838 Onkyo, it was already been repaired vefore and the reason is "PROTECT" after a year with out even using it, it broke down again, this time No Display, meaning no power, I wonder tis is happening on this model. this is an Intergra model, I feel Im wasting my money for the cost of repair on this model, now I am thinking not to buy an Onkyo brand.Might be an isolated case Sir,
gurus, please enlighten me :D
sadfully, Ive an TSDX-838 Onkyo, it was already been repaired vefore and the reason is "PROTECT" after a year with out even using it, it broke down again, this time No Display, meaning no power, I wonder tis is happening on this model. this is an Intergra model, I feel Im wasting my money for the cost of repair on this model, now I am thinking not to buy an Onkyo brand.
gurus, please enlighten me :D
are you sure its pioneer 819? fromwhere i canvassed, yamaha 365 costs about P18500, pioneer 819 costs about P22T-P24T. if yamaha costs higher by about P1500 campared to pioneer, you're probably referring to pioneer 519 which costs P15990. but if you're really sure that its pioneer 819, where did you find such unit? ;D
i'm excited with pioneer's latest AVRs, i just don't know regarding the HDMI 1.4. i've been looking at the picture of the back of this vsx-520 and saw 4 HDMIs (3 in, 1 out), now i'm wondering where's the 1.4? i thought the 1.4 plug is smaller in size, yet i see regular sized HDMI ports ???
Hi All,
Need help. Im really undecided which to get. Pls enlighten me on which is the better one.
I'm only new to this and dont want to spend to much as i will just be using once a week.
Im choosing between denon's 1610 or onkyos's 507.
Planning to use wharfdale 9.1 and 9cs, plus dynaquest dq 12 which is now branded as Konzert.
For surrounds i will be using old speakers for the meantime and buy whardale floorstanders and use the 9.1 for surrounds.
I will be using it mostly for movies, around 80%-20% or 90%-10% movies vs music.
Also considering after sales service. pls share your inputs on which will sound better and will have better features all in all.
Thanks in advance...
Anyone have experience with these two units? I Have been reading reviews for last three weeks and they are both highly touted. Would love to hear your personal comments.
Thanx for reading and sharing!
pls help, i'm a newbie. planning to buy wharfedale10.1/10.2, 10.cs/10.cm, 10sr. sub would be mirage omni s10.
my budget is tight, am looking for price range of 15-25k avr. yamaha/denon/hk/onkyo? model?
Purchased my 608 for 30k at LIS, EDSA Shang
Anyone have experience with these two units? I Have been reading reviews for last three weeks and they are both highly touted. Would love to hear your personal comments.
Thanx for reading and sharing!
major advantage of 608 vs 707 = hdmi 1.4a spec'ed, which means you can be do 3d switching in the future. is this important. if in the future, you will have multi-source that are 3d capable. you might want this. but without this feature, you can still be able to do 3d by having a 3d capable panel and a 3d capable source (3d capable bd player, media player or htpc) just hook the hdmi from player to panel and your good to go.THANX. THE 707 IS A SERIOUS BEAST. WAS HOPING TO GET IT AT A REASONABLE PRICE BUT THAT IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE. i DO NOT THIK ANYONE ON THIS SITE HAS ONE???
major advantages of 707 vs 608 = 1.) audyssey multi-eq (2q only for 608), very big difference in sq once you have used this feature. calibrating using audyssey is the standard for auto sound calibration. multi-eq allows for more mic placements than the 2eq meaning the receiver will have a more accurate measurement of your room's acoustic nuances and adjust the eq accordingly to make the sq better than a non calibrated or 2 eq'ed room. 2.) seven (7) channel pre-outs (sub pre-out only for 608), power has always been one of the major secrets into getting great sq whether for ht or audio. once you have realized that you need more power in the future. the 707 will allow you to hook up into an external power amp to power your speakers and just use the receiver as a pre-amp/processor. this is big. this is also what separates mid/high end from the entry level.
imho. i would get the 707 anytime vs the 608. unless you go straight up to the 708 to also get the 3d hdmi switching capability. but if money is tight. 707 is the monster you should get. :)
THANX. THE 707 IS A SERIOUS BEAST. WAS HOPING TO GET IT AT A REASONABLE PRICE BUT THAT IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE. i DO NOT THIK ANYONE ON THIS SITE HAS ONE???
talaga sir? ang forwarder ba ang mag charge ng 20% tax? paano kung mga damit or other stuff na non-electronics ang laman ng balikbayan box, ganon din ba ang tax?
I agree w/ sir iinas get the 707! Except for the power rating, the 707 has the same features as the 807. Just be careful in bringing in electronic stuff from US nowadays. I was taxed 20% in bringing in my 807 early this month. Customs according to the forwarding company is conducting a 100% inspection on all arriving goods. I paid tariff for the first time inisip ko na lang na para sa bayan ito. ;D Pero mas mura pa rin ng 15k comparing it with the local discounted price of 62k.I heard thru an importer that there is a new chief of customs and he is making life more expensive for all those thrifty hong kong importers. :(
(http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp186/okel_okel/Onkyo7.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR707-7-2-Channel-Surround-Receiver/dp/B002DSMNPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1282946200&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR707-7-2-Channel-Surround-Receiver/dp/B002DSMNPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1282946200&sr=8-1)
amazon sells this at $491 today. ask @toy01 for a quote, he can bring this item back for you. i got my 806 from him and so have countless other pdvd members. i believe he can bring this back at around the same local price of a 608. just add 3.5k for a dedicated voltage regulator and your set. :)
I heard thru an importer that there is a new chief of customs and he is making life more expensive for all those thrifty hong kong importers. :(
or i PM mo si vtec3 para makapag upgrade na sya sa yamaha 1065, mukhang may balak sya sa 707 nya eh hehehehehe
705 yata yong ke brader von na gusto nyang i-upgrade. maraming members ang nasa upgrade mode ha. sarap talagang magbago! Lot of PDVD members are following your lead idol! ;D
or i PM mo si vtec3 para makapag upgrade na sya sa yamaha 1065, mukhang may balak sya sa 707 nya eh hehehehehe
705 yata yong ke brader von na gusto nyang i-upgrade. maraming members ang nasa upgrade mode ha. sarap talagang magbago! Lot of PDVD members are following your lead idol! ;D
major advantage of 608 vs 707 = hdmi 1.4a spec'ed, which means you can be do 3d switching in the future. is this important. if in the future, you will have multi-source that are 3d capable. you might want this. but without this feature, you can still be able to do 3d by having a 3d capable panel and a 3d capable source (3d capable bd player, media player or htpc) just hook the hdmi from player to panel and your good to go.
major advantages of 707 vs 608 = 1.) audyssey multi-eq (2q only for 608), very big difference in sq once you have used this feature. calibrating using audyssey is the standard for auto sound calibration. multi-eq allows for more mic placements than the 2eq meaning the receiver will have a more accurate measurement of your room's acoustic nuances and adjust the eq accordingly to make the sq better than a non calibrated or 2 eq'ed room. 2.) seven (7) channel pre-outs (sub pre-out only for 608), power has always been one of the major secrets into getting great sq whether for ht or audio. once you have realized that you need more power in the future. the 707 will allow you to hook up into an external power amp to power your speakers and just use the receiver as a pre-amp/processor. this is big. this is also what separates mid/high outs. end from the entry level.
imho. i would get the 707 anytime vs the 608. unless you go straight up to the 708 to also get the 3d hdmi switching capability. but if money is tight. 707 is the monster you should get. :)
Thanks for this post iiinas. The same comments were made to me many times over on another board in respect to 3d vs Pre amp. Went out yesterday to do a demo of the 608 vs. the 707 and I could not find a dealer with both. Wanted to see if I could hear a discernable difference between the two as its been said the 608 sound has been "refined". Am not sure if this is a good thing? I will admit the 3d capability is not big on my list of must have features.. Am more interested in power and the ability to preamp down the road.
Maybe its fate but the speakers I bought were the diamond 9's as they are good and better value than the 10 series. Got the panny 50c10 oveer the x10 ad again it represented great value and great savings. Perhaps having saved on these 2009 phased out models I am destined to get the 2009 707. Unfortunately the 707 seems to sell at a premiuim and is more expensive than the 608. :(
The 707 SRP is 50,000K. It is now "on sale" with 20% off. ;D
so do I pull the triger on the 608 at 32K or the 707 at 40K? (remember my new Wharf 9.6 fronts are very thirsty!)
for the 8k premium. if i had the 32k cash at hand already. ill pay that up front then charge the remaining 8k to mr. visa or mastercard. for me, 707 hands down. :)
Wow...you are smarter than you look ;)
You still end up with an 8K credit. ;)
How's your AVR habit anyway? Did you do endless set-ups and upgrades with your previous equipment? Amp power and basic specs appear identical to me, assuming you are not going to utilize Pre-Out.
I know you don't like pre-owned stuff but I would check on Vtec's 705 if I were you. Basically the same banana to me as well ;)
Is Vtec offering a one year waranty on parts and labor?
Wow...you are smarter than you look ;)
:D
but sir clon is right too. if sir von is selling his 705, its worth a look. as i said the x05 series of onkyo were considered the best onkyo has made and designed.
i heard the 876 is also being sold at a very low price not sure though if its in the 40K range, try checking it out.
Have fallen for the 707 hard. Best find my wifes visa before I start thinking about the 806 & 807 :D
Found the wifes Visa. Pulled the trigger. 707 now sitting in the living room with the new 50c10 plasma and wharfs. Took out of the box and without reading any directions hooked up the speakers, CD player and the PS3. All analog composite as I only have one HDMI cable. Took me about an hour to do this simple task. ::)
Room is a lovely mess.
Let the games begin!
Congrats sir! ;D
Found the wifes Visa. Pulled the trigger. 707 now sitting in the living room with the new 50c10 plasma and wharfs. Took out of the box and without reading any directions hooked up the speakers, CD player and the PS3. All analog composite as I only have one HDMI cable. Took me about an hour to do this simple task. ::)
Room is a lovely mess.
Let the games begin!
How about this...
Onkyo TX-SR707 vs Yamaha RX-V667
Alin sa dalawa??? :)
How about this...kahit alin dyan ang solution sa very weird playback problem!
Onkyo TX-SR707 vs Yamaha RX-V667
Alin sa dalawa??? :)
kahit alin dyan ang solution sa very weird playback problem!
any pros and cons between the HK 160 vs Onkyo 308 vs Onkyo 508? any inputs po?
Thanks in advance.
is the pioneer 520 a good receiver? budget ko kasi is less than 20k. so far this seems to offer the most bang for the buck. can you suggest other receivers?
here are my requirements
- auto calibration of speakers
- hdmi input that can carry both video and audio
- 5.1 only
- i don't need dolby truehd or dts ma since 90% of my source will be bluray ripped which are only dd/dts
- good for both movie or music
This receiver supports both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, but I don't think it has auto-calibration. It has a very simple manual calibration menu though.
This receiver supports both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA, but I don't think it has auto-calibration. It has a very simple manual calibration menu though.
mg sirs, bago lang po ako dito....sorry din po kung mali ata napuntahn ko na topic... hingi lang ako ng opinion nyo.... meron po kasi akong harman kardon avr 255 model, rated 50 watts per channel, then my balak po ako bumili ng speakers ko, tpos nag tanung ako dito sa glorietta SA automatic center nagbebenta din sila ng HK ask ko kung kaya idrive ng ampli. gang 250 WATTS khit daw gang 350WATTS kaya dw.. taMa po ba ito, di ba masisira ampli ko...and planning to buy n rin aq ng center speaker bose VCS 10 ok lng po ba ito... tnx.. sana matulungan nyo ako... nga po pala ang minimum input power ng speaker ko sana na bibilhin eh 30 watts...
lalakas bentahan ng onkyo 608 nyan..
im a proud owner..
polk audio paps, yung tipid meals lang..
pero kung gusto mo ,try mo monitor audio..
yung best speakers din sa whathifi
alin yung bronze bx2?wala ako idea kung magkano yun eh, bka hindi pasok sa budget.polk tsi/rti and infinity primus pa lang na try ko. so far na impress ako sa rti a3 and primus 252.parehas maganda tumunog mas mahal lang ng 3k yung primus and sagwa ng center (pc350) parang rocket launcher (my opinion lng).
i keep reading on the net that the vsx520 has auto calibration. o well, my heart's almost set on this unit, unless something cheaper and nicer comes along. it's got 3 hdmi inputs that carries audio signals, saving me the hassle to get optical cables and an optical dongle for my xbox 360. can't wait for january 5!
any feedback on kenwood AV receivers? specifically kenwood krfv6080d? saw this packaged with kenwood speakers as well in a shop in robinsons pioneer at sale for only 15k. original price according to the shop is around 28k
quick one -
508 vs 608 - worth the 10k diff ba??
mga experts,
patulong naman- 1st AVR ko kasi kaya hirap mag decide. namimili ako sa HK-AVR260 vs ONKYO-TX-SR608.
Ano ba best sa dalawa pagdating sa:
1. Sound Quality - movies or music
2. Ease of Use
3. Durability
Thanks,
quick one -
508 vs 608 - worth the 10k diff ba??
thanks for the replies! budget constraint kaya 508 na lang.
and another question - I'm also looking to hook up my el-cheapo ACE DVD Player/Videoke to 508, ang mangyayari ba ay connect ko sa IN ng 508 yung OUT ng videoke (kung meron) tapos yung MIC sa VIdeoke nakakabit?
thanks!
oops!! another reading mode!
ano po ba difference (on a high level) ng HT series at TX series ng onkyo?
The HT series is designed to be more of a budget type of AVR. Meron siyang premium model which is similar to it, for this case (HT-RC260 and TX-SR608) Parang kotse yan e... For example, Toyota Vios "E" vs Vios "G". The body looks the same but the features are different, same as through with this AVR.
The differences between them are the ff: THX Select2 plus certification, Sirius ready & PC in (A/V)
Basically all the remaining features are the same.
Analyzing it, you can live with the difference, and it will slash out about P10k from a well known 608.
I will recommend that you purchase an HT-RC260.
It will be worth your money.
Hope this helps. ;)
Sirius will be of no use to you if you are not in US i believe...
yes i believe.
and RC260 have these two thing that is not present in 508:
*100 Watts per Channel at 8 Ohms, 20 Hz?20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 Channels Driven, FTC VS 80wattss of 508
*HDMI 1080p video upconversion by Faroudja DCDi cinema
* 6 HDMI VS 4 of 508
looks like a win!
although if I compare the price in amazon its $330 for RC260 and $248 for 508...
this one is a tough battle kasi mas madaling ipa-approve kay missis yung 10k kesa sa 15k :)
pero the price here in manila hindi nagkakalayo... around 21k for 110v of RC260 and 22k for the 508 220v.
yes i believe.
and RC260 have these two thing that is not present in 508:
*100 Watts per Channel at 8 Ohms, 20 Hz?20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 Channels Driven, FTC VS 80wattss of 508
*HDMI 1080p video upconversion by Faroudja DCDi cinema
* 6 HDMI VS 4 of 508
looks like a win!
although if I compare the price in amazon its $330 for RC260 and $248 for 508...
this one is a tough battle kasi mas madaling ipa-approve kay missis yung 10k kesa sa 15k :)
pero the price here in manila hindi nagkakalayo... around 21k for 110v of RC260 and 22k for the 508 220v.
I must say that the HT-RC260 is great! I needed to upgrade to a HDMI receiver capable of HD Audio for my MKV files. I was worried initially about CNET saying it does not support standby pass-through. Boy, am I glad they are wrong. HT-RC260 does support standby pass-through, in fact I'm using it right now. My HTPC is connected via HDMI to the RC260, then 1 HDMI cable out to my PK550. Tested standby pass-through with my HTPC and Cignal HD STB. Both work like a charm. A/V both passed onto my PK550.
Audio Quality is excellent! My personal test is my MTV Corrs Unplugged DVD. The detail of the instruments and Andrea Corr's breathing when playing that flute-like instrument is distinctively heard. It also pumps up my Wharf Diamond 9 speakers and sub. And it's not just loud volume, it simply the full range. Even at lower volumes, details are still very clear.
And for only 20k, it's an unbeatable deal! I love it!
Does the amp suface feel hot when in Pass-thru mode? My 608 does so I stopped using that mode.
I haven't tried checking. I will see this weekend. Sabi sa mga nabasa ko 3W lang ang consumption when on standby pass through.
mg sirs, bago lang po ako dito....sorry din po kung mali ata napuntahn ko na topic... hingi lang ako ng opinion nyo.... meron po kasi akong harman kardon avr 255 model, rated 50 watts per channel, then my balak po ako bumili ng speakers ko, tpos nag tanung ako dito sa glorietta SA automatic center nagbebenta din sila ng HK ask ko kung kaya idrive ng ampli. gang 250 WATTS khit daw gang 350WATTS kaya dw.. taMa po ba ito, di ba masisira ampli ko...and planning to buy n rin aq ng center speaker bose VCS 10 ok lng po ba ito... tnx.. sana matulungan nyo ako... nga po pala ang minimum input power ng speaker ko sana na bibilhin eh 30 watts...
Hello mga sirs,
I didnt want to hi-jack the other thread re Onkyo 608 vs 767 so i decided to start this one. I am deciding between the 608 and the 667 kasi. both seem to have good reviews. and more or less, in the same price range. i am just concerned about the overheating issues of the 608...
hope you could share with me your thoughts...
thank you in advance...
i never encountered any problem with my unit, it does heat up a bit but i think its just normal with receivers.
Suggestion lang naman bro.. If you are willing to spend at least 30k for a receiver at hindi naman issue sa yo ang pre-owned. This one below is by far a better option for you. Tawag dito ng ibang members ay si bangis. Specs is almost the same as the 875 pero nagkatalo lang sa video chip: Pag 608 ang kinuha mo at tatambay ka dito PDVD ;D ;D....sigurado mag-u-upgrade ka rin ng mas mataas na modelo. ;D ;D
BTW, yong onkyo 875 ko hindi mo pala mahahawakan sa INIT pag nag-operate na ng at least 30 mins. pero hindi naman nasisira.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,125782.0.html
I didnt want to hi-jack the other thread re Onkyo 608 vs 767 so i decided to start this one. I am deciding between the 608 and the 667 kasi. both seem to have good reviews. and more or less, in the same price range. i am just concerned about the overheating issues of the 608...
The problem with that 805 and the receivers that that vendor brings in is walang set-up microphone for Audyssey. Sayang yun Audyssey MultEQ XT feature niya.
Hello mga sirs,
I didnt want to hi-jack the other thread re Onkyo 608 vs 767 so i decided to start this one. I am deciding between the 608 and the 667 kasi. both seem to have good reviews. and more or less, in the same price range. i am just concerned about the overheating issues of the 608...
hope you could share with me your thoughts...
thank you in advance...
Get Onkyo NR-609 instead :)
Availability from the authorized local distributor will be around May-June. The good thing is that it will most likely be the same price as the current 608.
in the other thread, i voted for 608 because i find it's features suiting my taste better than the higher-end yamaha.12 to 15 hours?straight?
regarding the heat issues, it looks normal. i had my 608 running for like 12-15 hours and it's running very well without problems. siguro magiging problema lang siya kapag may umuusok na or you see melted parts on your receiver but other than that, everything should be working fine.
mga sir quick help -
pio 520 vs yamaha rx367?
VSX-520 supports HD audio, the RX-V367 does not. I would gravitate towards the VSX-520.
I must say that the HT-RC260 is great! I needed to upgrade to a HDMI receiver capable of HD Audio for my MKV files. I was worried initially about CNET saying it does not support standby pass-through. Boy, am I glad they are wrong. HT-RC260 does support standby pass-through, in fact I'm using it right now. My HTPC is connected via HDMI to the RC260, then 1 HDMI cable out to my PK550. Tested standby pass-through with my HTPC and Cignal HD STB. Both work like a charm. A/V both passed onto my PK550.
Audio Quality is excellent! My personal test is my MTV Corrs Unplugged DVD. The detail of the instruments and Andrea Corr's breathing when playing that flute-like instrument is distinctively heard. It also pumps up my Wharf Diamond 9 speakers and sub. And it's not just loud volume, it simply the full range. Even at lower volumes, details are still very clear.
And for only 20k, it's an unbeatable deal! I love it!
i like the denon because the name rolls off the tongue better. deeeee-nun.
on a serious note, audyssey a plus for denon since specwise they're both the same.
Before adding the Audyssey vs YPAO factor into the equation, first decide which amp sound you like better. It will depend on the kind of speakers you'll be using, plus your pesonal preferences about the over-all sound.Great answer barrister. thank you. I'm just newbie looking for a good mid range receive that does multi channel-in and is future proof.
Personally, my preference goes to the Yamaha sound.
If you like Denon's sound, then go for it, because the consensus is that Audyssey is the best EQ system. If you prefer the Yamaha sound, then you must choose Yamaha even if YPAO, while also very good, is still slightly inferior to Audyssey. That's because your choice should be determined by the sound signature of the amp, not by the performance of the EQ.
Parametric EQ is a great thing, but it's still has its limitations. It's still isn't a magic bullet that can instantly cure any room deficiency.
Don't worry too much about it. Both are very good receivers, and you won't go wrong either way.
What you should be worried about is Denon's after-sales service reliability. In this neck of the woods, Denon service is terrible. Browse around for Denon service complaints.
Instead of Denon, why not try out the Onkyos. Good amp, Audyssey EQ, plus great after-sales service. Just make sure the unit has enough free space around it so that the internal cooling fan can do its job well.
I agree with Barrister about choosing between Yamaha and Onkyo instead of Denon. I was actually researching Denon because I was interested in the 2011 models when I ran into this test of the Denon 3310 which is a mid-level receiver with an SRP of 1,499 dollars.Aight, thanks for the help guys. I'm builder a very good picture here. The Yamaha or Onkyo might be the receiver i'm looking for. im now slightly leaning toward the yamaha...ha
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/receivers/725-denon-avr-3310ci-71-av-receiver.html?start=2
In summary the test said that you should only run 8 ohm speakers with the 3310 with a sensitivity of at least 90db or higher (due to the weak amp section which is easily prone to distortion). Yet the Denon web site claims "Low Impedance Drive Capability". I guess this is the explanation why when I purchased a Denon 1611 it sounded very weak with my JBL speakers which had a sensitivity of 87db. I exchanged it for an Onkyo 608 two days later.
Great answer barrister. thank you. I'm just newbie looking for a good mid range receive that does multi channel-in and is future proof.
I initially didn't consider the onkyo because they say it gets hot and there were some issues with Faroudja dropping out.
The only Onkyo model 708 seems to fit what im looking for. Its a beast packed with internet radio and 3d, Hows the performance of the onkyo 708 compared to the denon and rx667?
I need help I'm on the process of buying my 1st brand new receiver and its really hard to decide which one to get. Im planning to get one this may and my budget is very tight so I need your inputs pros and cons
they come from the same group afterall
idea just slammed me on the head. Why am i spending on such 30k receiver when my original budget was 25k?
it just really hurts my head. ???
the trick is to set your mind that the price of decent receivers' usually start at around 30k, then dont look back at your original budget. it will help lessen the migrane ;D
you're saying i should stick with the more expensive receiver. I have an htib speaker set with is old but need replacing.
if i but the denon i save 7000 which can go to my speaker budget.
My question now is spend for an expensive receiver(yammy 667 or denon 2310) now and stick with it for a long time or get a cheaper unit today (denon 1910), buy decent speakers and later replace new receiver 5 years from now which might have hdmi 1.5??? which save me more money in the long run?
you're saying i should stick with the more expensive receiver. I have an htib speaker set with is old but need replacing.
if i but the denon i save 7000 which can go to my speaker budget.
My question now is spend for an expensive receiver(yammy 667 or denon 2310) now and stick with it for a long time or get a cheaper unit today (denon 1910), buy decent speakers and later replace new receiver 5 years from now which might have hdmi 1.5??? which save me more money in the long run?
Yamaha's got ypao. How different is that from Audyssey?
The 667 got 3d and 1910 has non.
What important is the sound quality. So masmaganda ba ang sound quality ng denon 1910 kay sa yamaha 667?
Audyssey is amazing.
I live in a townhouse so I have to be wary not to disturb the neighbors (too much).
I was looking at an Onkyo but their implementation of Audyssey IMHO is a step behind their Denon equivalents (price wise).
Multi2EQ is implemented on the Onkyo 509 but MultiEQ XT is available on the Denon 1610/11/12.
Audyssey is amazing.
I live in a townhouse so I have to be wary not to disturb the neighbors (too much).
I was looking at an Onkyo but their implementation of Audyssey IMHO is a step behind their Denon equivalents (price wise).
Multi2EQ is implemented on the Onkyo 509 but MultiEQ XT is available on the Denon 1610/11/12.
Unfortunately DENON has the LOUSIEST GUI compared to Pioneer (I think the best) and Onkyo.
Mahirap talaga magdecide ng upgrade now that I'm more aware of the technology. Back when I got the 1610 I was just going back into HT so the choice was easier (ignorance is bliss).
Now that I'm a bit smarter I know my needs.
- Sound must be top notch BUT not at the expense of clarity at Low Volumes (I watch movies more than Music).
I'll probably upgrade when I see Airplay fully implemented the way it should be because I have lots of Apple products in my household (mac, ipad, iphone, ipod touch). For now it seems Pioneer leads in this area but I can't get a AVR without Audyssey. Without Audyssey I had to constantly have the remote in my hand lest biglang mag-boom yung bahay sa lakas ng tunog during action sequences mas lalo na at night when I am watching.
My next receiver is most probably DENON!!! ;D
I am starting to hate ONKYO... :D
This is exactly the reason why keep more than enough receivers. When i get tired of one's brand sound & switch to another. I have 3 onkyos(3008,876,707), 3 yamaha's(6090,1800,2700), 3 denons(4306,2807,2808), & 1 sony(5200ES). Not to mention the 3 stereo receivers i have in my warehouse. ;D
No Pioneer? I wish I could do the same as you! ;D
No Pioneer? I wish I could do the same as you! ;D
Meron ako dati Elite 81TXV pero pinasa ko na ke Ted (Tasplan). ;D
How would you describe the sound of the Pioneer Elite receiver?
For me sound of the pioneer elite is very close to the signature sound of Denon that has more emphasis on the highs. Kaya siguro sinasabi nila na bright sounding receiver ang pioneer. I was using a wharfe 9 series diamond before & I like the sound. Kaya lang, I also like to try marantz that's why I have to dispose it to fund my insanity over AVRs. ;D
Have you had a NAD receiver yet? That one intrigues me but it's quite pricey.
guys heres one:
denon 1910
90 watts
bi amping
audssey
equalizer
stand by passthrough
4hdmi
upscaling SD to HD
harman kardon 1910
50 watts++
EZ SET/EQ
3hdmi
???
guys heres one:
denon 1910
90 watts
bi amping
audssey
equalizer
stand by passthrough
4hdmi
upscaling SD to HD
harman kardon 1600
50 watts++
EZ SET/EQ
3hdmi
???
edit:fixed shpelling
Harman Kardon wattage may seem understated because that is with all channels driven. The Denon spec is for two channels driven only.yes i've read about Japanese brand always inflate there power figures pero has anyone done a side b side comparison between denon and harman kardon.
yes i've read about Japanese brand always inflate there power figures pero has anyone done a side b side comparison between denon and harman kardon.
ganda kasi ng features ng denon.
HarmanK may sound better as some claim pero its features are so bare. It's sound quality must be so good that it trounces denon's features, which I don't really know...
;) I already decided to buy Pioneer 520k but - I saw SnS selling Marantz SR3053 for almost 17k.
i tried to make a quick spec-check and 520 is on 100watts while 3053 is only 8. 520k is 3d ready but 3053, not sure if it is 3d ready because it only sports 1.3a hdmi version and with only 2 hdmi input.
That's the best comparison i can give becasue i have not heard any marantz receivers before.
so to those who already heard both receivers... which one will you recommend?
thanks!
;) I already decided to buy Pioneer 520k but - I saw SnS selling Marantz SR3053 for almost 17k.
i tried to make a quick spec-check and 520 is on 100watts while 3053 is only 8. 520k is 3d ready but 3053, not sure if it is 3d ready because it only sports 1.3a hdmi version and with only 2 hdmi input.
That's the best comparison i can give becasue i have not heard any marantz receivers before.
so to those who already heard both receivers... which one will you recommend?
thanks!
For me the lack of TrueHD and DTS Master Audio is a dealbreaker for the Marantz.
Although not a lot may be familiar, HDMI 1.4 includes 3D/ethernet capabilities and Marantz HDMI 1.3a doesn't even include HDMI Standby source.
For me it's important because not all the time will I be using a AVR. With HDMI Standby you can keep the receiver off and the last source used will be passed through to the TV.
A good example is when my 6 yr old watches stuff on the media player, he doesn't turn on the AVR anymore coz he doesn't appreciate it yet so he uses the TV only. Without HDMI standby it wouldn't be possible for him to use the HT setup in the living room coz' it would be too complicated.
The pioneer is actually only 80 watts per channel.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Pioneer+Receivers/VSX-520-K
Though too many downsides of the Marantz as scifi-fan has pointed out.
sir I appreciate you pointing this out - I have a 5 year old kid and I setup my 500GB and fill it up with all the cartoons she needs and connected it to my xtreamer - when she's the one watching, we only use the TV's audio -
If i understand it right sir, if my xtreamer is connected to pio 520k via hdmi then 520k to LCD, if i turn on the LCDTV and the xtreamer without powering on the 520k and play movies in xtreamer - the sound will be coming out from the LCD?
Exactly.
sir in Amazon, 520k is rated at 110x5 Watts. Im noob at rms etc. does this mean that 110 is like combination of several channels?
Exactly.
sir just confirmed that the 502 does not do standby pass though :(
mga sir pa help..
Pioneer VSX1020 (P22K original P42K) or Denon 1912(33.5K)..
whats more bang for the buck option?
to be used for future upgrade:
Polk RTi A9 or Paradigm Monitor 9 or Paradigm Studio 60
bought SVS pb10nsd (to be pick-up later)
will both have enough power to drive these speakers?
mga sir, does anybody know if may standby pass through yung HK 156? Which is a better AVR between the HK156 and Denon 1612? to be paired with A-Audio 5.1. Pls need your advise sir. ;D
YAMAHA RX-V373 , ONKYO TX-SR313 and DENON AVR-1612 from cructchfield.com
Anong choice niyo diyan sa 3 basing sa specs nila? ;)
eto pa pla Marantz SR3053.
Pioneer VX521 o Onkyo TR509 o Marantz SR3053? Which is more bang for the buck option?
70% movies and 30% music ;D
Ano po mas okay sa dalawa?
Pioneer vsx521 or Onkyo 509?
Bale 75% Movies and 25% Music ang gamit ko po.
To be paired with Polk Audio TSi Series.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks sir Stagea.
Already bought Pio 521, very much satisfied with it :)
More or kess how much is the 521k? Thanks.
Original price is 15k got it at a sale price of 9.9k
I'm planning to upgrade my av receiver which is a pioneer vsx-520. Which is better, HK 165 or Onkyo 509? I'm use my amp for music and movies, probably on 60:40 ratio. thanks.hmm no reply.
hmm no reply.
your just trading an entry level model for another entry level one. Try going higher, like the pioneer 1121, harman kardon 365, onkyo 818 or denon 2312.
Same here. Upgrading to a higher level/model will yield better results and prevent SARS attack :)
Hi,
Thinking of upgrading my old Onkyo 575 model.
What do you suggest for it to match my old school 5.1 speakers? (It's B&W 302 series fronts and surround, B&W CM3, and Ditton Subwoofer)
I'm thinking of the Onkyo 515 or 616 model. Although having second thoughts given the issues/negative feedback from other forums.
whats your budget pagalang?
P 30k at max, looking of course as an upgrade to current amp. happy with it having really warm tones.With that budget I would get the the denon 2313, selling for 31k or the pioneer lx 53 35k. I would go for the denon just for the audessey XT, i have the pioneer which uses mcacc, which is not too bad either. both have local warranty in the marketplace.
:-)
With that budget I would get the the denon 2313, selling for 31k or the pioneer lx 53 35k. I would go for the denon just for the audessey XT, i have the pioneer which uses mcacc, which is not too bad either. both have local warranty in the marketplace.
Newby here mga Gurus,
Just need your help, I am torn between choosing the HK AVR 170 vs. the Yamaha RXV 475? Which is better? Thanks in advance!
What speakers are you going to use them with...
Go for Denon. Pioneer + Polk Audio tends to be bright sounding.
OT lng sir.
Pls bare w/ my ignorance. When you say bright, it means more on treble yun angat? ( treble = on tweeter?)
If yes, why not adjust the equalizer para ma tame un pagka bright. Or mali akO? :( .
ano po ba ang magandang receiver para sa jamo 406?honestly, whatever fits your budget. audition ka na lang ng different brands and pick what sounds good to you.
If you need pre-out and 7.2, then yamaha 665.
That Denon is a networked AV receiver, so if you are after network features, then get the Denon (5.1) or the Yamaha 573 (7.1)
Iba pa rin ang bnew, may warranty
Thanks Philander.
There is also the brand new 575 at 25,5k. I think this model is the newer one but the older 656 is more powerful.
Add the 575 to the mix, and I'm more confused.
Marantz is always known for musical quality receiver, while Onkyo is a performer in movies (of course when paired with a matching speaker).Thanks for the info sir. I'm more inclined to musical quality without sacrificing too much on movie performance. My existing speakers are Wharfedales Diamonds 8 series (Front & Center), would these speakers match with Marantz receivers?
If you are after musical quality then get the Marants; musical quality of Marantz compared to Onkyo is way way better; in movies Onkyo shall win by very very slim margin.
Marantz is always known for musical quality receiver, while Onkyo is a performer in movies (of course when paired with a matching speaker).+1000 ako dito
If you are after musical quality then get the Marants; musical quality of Marantz compared to Onkyo is way way better; in movies Onkyo shall win by very very slim margin.
Guy/Brother I am new here, I just want your advice if it is ok to have a Yamaha RXV475 A/V, Super Nova 8 and Polk sub 125. Hope to receive your suggestions and comments before I will buy this items.
Thank you.
To be paired with PSB Image B6 + C5, for 7.1 set up -
Denon AVR X2000 or Yamaha Aventage RX A720 or Yamaha RX-V575? Or should I think of spending a bit more, for the Marantz 5008?
Was checking out onkyo 838 sa web, then nakita ko yung Pioneer SC-LX58, meron na ba nito dito and may naka try na ba?
Stick with the go to brands Onkyo Denon Harman and Yamaha