LCD is far far better than Plasma, actually.
LCD have BETTER BLACKS
Longer life span - NO BURN IN. compared to plasma which is major prome to burn ins.
^There are 70" LCD- RPTVs now.. the Sony GW III.
LCD is far far better than Plasma, actually.
LCD have BETTER BLACKS
Longer life span - NO BURN IN. compared to plasma which is major prome to burn ins.
:oThanks for all your responses.
Greatbop, an RPTV will not be suitable for my purpose. Please see first post.
Well, it seems that PLASMA is it. The problem now is that I read somewhere that there are HDTV plasmas and EDTV plasmas.
Which is which?
Here the models I've seen so far:
- Panasonic TH-42PW5BX
- Philips 42FD9954
- Hitachi 42PD5000TA
If I understand correctly the specs for the above models, only Philips is a true HD. And also the more expensive among the three.
What are disadvantages/advantages of choosing either one?
Bear in mind that it will be used in promotional booths of high end products and would presumable be used continiously for at least 8-10 hours a day.
TIA,
voj :) :o
^There are 70" LCD- RPTVs now.. the Sony GW III.
LCD is far far better than Plasma, actually.
LCD have BETTER BLACKS
Longer life span - NO BURN IN. compared to plasma which is major prome to burn ins.
:oThanks for all your responses.
Greatbop, an RPTV will not be suitable for my purpose. Please see first post.
Well, it seems that PLASMA is it. The problem now is that I read somewhere that there are HDTV plasmas and EDTV plasmas.
Which is which?
Here the models I've seen so far:
- Panasonic TH-42PW5BX
- Philips 42FD9954
- Hitachi 42PD5000TA
If I understand correctly the specs for the above models, only Philips is a true HD. And also the more expensive among the three.
What are disadvantages/advantages of choosing either one?
Bear in mind that it will be used in promotional booths of high end products and would presumable be used continiously for at least 8-10 hours a day.
TIA,
voj :) :o
When for cheaper price, you can get far better quality.
yeah.. 32" is about.. 4k usd right now..
pero buying plasma is just like throwing money away. When for cheaper price, you can get far better quality.
I'm no expert in this, but I was in The Listening Room in Mega Mall tonight and they had all these tv's there...plasma...projection...etc. There was only one that caught my eye....i can't even remember the brand....it was something "crystalis" or "crystalisis" whatever.....I thought the quality of the picture was way better than all the other tv's displayed there...
yep, bravo.. the infamous Sony Grand Wega III.hello there,
^thats not changing anytime soon though. i've read user posts detailing the crappiness of Samsung's Service.
like promised technicians to come in. pero never did. As for replacing dead pixels, by the time you need to replace the all dead pixels naman, sigurado mura na yun. dahil by then, the market would be alrady flooded.
^Nope, nothing wrong with the GW III.. the picture quality is one of the best sa fixed pixel displays- ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT about it.
Better than Plasmas or Samsung DLPs.
anyway..
just wanna share. yung plasma sa abs- cbn news, kitang kita yung pixelations sa tv.. HAHAHAHAH
Hey greatbop,
That clears that matter then. Medyo nagduda tuloy ako when you used the adjective, eh. My wife says its a blast compared to the DLP. In all due respect to the SAMSUNG, i find DLP's picture cooler to the eye compared to LCD. Whats the difference then between the GRAND WEGA and the SAMSUNG LCD TVs being sold locally which are a tad higher in cost than the DLP? Can anyone shed light on this? any website link you could provide reviewing the GRAND WEGA or compared to LCD and PLASMA. Pros and Cons. Thanks!
;D
Hey Jackryan,
I hope you still remember me frm the past PINOYDVD EBs. I am very much frustrated with the Salespeople they have. Not to brag but marami pa akong alam sa kanila. MAMBOBOLA. The last one told me that the bulb would only cost 5K, These people should be fired since they are giving wrong after sales info about their product just for it to sell more! iVE GOT A LOT OF QUERIES LEFT UNANSWERED. Im wondering, can you accomodate me for a owner audition of the DLP Samsung? This is only if you are free. Thanks.
Most of the plasma TVs out there are 42 inchers. I may have some problem of allocating space for this. Are there plasmas out there in the 32" range? Should be lower than 200T, I suppose. Just curious. Thanks.
man... what a weird pairing. arcam receivers with entry level missions?
guess they're dispossing them na dahil they're old models. (missions m7 series)
Hey alfa, jackryan & Voj,
Thanks. I'll keep your suggestions i mind. That was a great correspondence. A heap of help! ;D
Bro,
May ibenebenta dun sa b&s section, kaya lang 37" na plasma, at 170,000. And if you'd search the web, meron nga. ;)
thanks arthurallanz. can't afford that as yet but it's good to there are plasmas smaller than 42" I saw many small widescreen LCDs at powerplant also selling in that range as well. I just wasn't impressed with their resolutions. Or was it because of the player/source they were using.
ang lungkot no? a lot of us want a plasma tv, but can't afford it. Sana, dumami ng dumami ang china-made PDPs, para ma-afford naman ng masa. tulad ng nangyari sa dvd players. :'(
The brand for these Kolin LCDs is SyntaxCheck out toshiba lcd 32" 5 star award pa sa watt hi fi magazine, php 160,000 only...
SLC-2083 (20") - Php 44,995
SLC-2706 (27") - Php 89,995
SLC-302C (30") - Php 129,995
KLT-2701 (27") Php 114, 995
KLT-3001 (30") Php 154, 995
Check out the HTPC thread - http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=13274.480 - Jay has some pictures of the unit.
I saw these babies over at Gateway mall today. (Automatic Center sells them) -- ganda! considering getting one.
Sir AV, they are indeed jaw dropping but its also due to the fact that they are using a PC based HD player. You might get disapponted when you buy one and you cant get the same result on your DVD player. Many stores use this kind of display to awe the customers.
Also, based from my experiments. I found that with a PC connection via VGA (with my non HD graphic card), you can really watch DVDs up close, like you said 2 feet. But when I switched to DVD via HDMI (brought by pchin) or component, the image was more blurred when up close, even with upconverted images. But at a certain distance, like from my bed (near the headboard), the LCD TV looks great.
ALSO, this reason is a bit silly, but accdng to Feng Shui books, you should avoid reflective surfaces facing your bed. Or madalas daw kayo mag away ng mag asawa ;D. Reflective surfaces includes mirrors and TVs. But since LCDs arent reflective (plasmas are) because its surface is made of non reflective film. I strongly believe the LCD TV is a loophole. ;D Di pa uso LCD nung sinulat yung Feng Shui Book ;D.
I know, I know, its silly ;D. hehe. But I think its working... :)
Sure pre, I remember you kayo pa. ;-)
Not a problem, but have to plan it sometime during the Lenten season. I may also have to take my kids to the US if we are lucky to get a flight out on Good Friday so we have Wednesday or Thursday.
Otherwise, there are some other folks with DLP that are much friendlier than me (paging, my good friend Myki who initiated me to the world of Samsung DLP's) :-)
Kidding aside, the best that you can do is check out the stores in Makati. I got Anson's and Abenson's on a competitive edge before I finally paid for my unit. It's just almost 2 blocks of walking back and forth to validate all the info.
The rest, I had to do research on the net before I decided to let go of a Philips DNM for a Samsung DLP.
I hope this helps.
-jackryan 8)
I don't think it applies to me. ;D I got separated before I put the TV in front of my bed. ;D
sir matz,
what brand of lcd did you get? reviews naman po on the PQ Ü
thanks!
where do you get Digital broadcast?
- Less eye fatigue
its better to use plasma display.
Odyopayl was right.
Plasma has a better picture quality than LCD, 180 degrees viewing angles and plasma also has a longer life span than LCD 25,000 hours to 80,000 hours depends on the manufacturer. Check our new sales & event under General..
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An updated answer to a years old question... plasma vs LCD
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/technology/14basics.html?ex=1159156800&en=dffe6a8faedc9172&ei=5070
It looks like LCD is starting to be more and more of a better solution
plasma's disadvantages have been adressed:
the latest plasma panels from toshiba and pioneer have addressed the problem of burn-in. they subtly shift the pixels so the same pixels aren't lighted the same the whole time.
plasma's advantages are not worth getting it:
1. longer half life
2. darker black
3. more vivid colors
4. sharper moving scenes
5. better suited to the average home ambient lighting
plasma's disadvantages have been adressed:
the latest plasma panels from toshiba and pioneer have addressed the problem of burn-in. they subtly shift the pixels so the same pixels aren't lighted the same the whole time.
Hitachi (plasma) has a pixel-shifting feature. The salesguy was even boasting the feature. But in that same shop where the plasma ran several hours a day a movie that did not occupy the entire screen (black bars at top and bottom), I was able to see the burn-in problem. In a totally white background display occupying the entire screen, the "burned-in" image appeared as a darker white where the black bars normally would be. I told the salesguy, so what is that, looks like a burn-in to me? Doesn't seem to work very well (the anti-burn-in feature). He didn't have a reply.
This was the reason I settled on a samsung LCD...and a lot of the shows I have been watching are 4:3 (black bars on left and right). No problems even after 100+hrs of 4:3 viewing (TV series).
about power consumption: power consumption of lcd panels are constant regardless of how bright or dark the scenes are. in a plasma panel, power consumption is lesser on dark scenes and slightly higher on bright shows like news broadcasts. (who watches broadcasts nowadays when news rss is better, more concise?) electricity consumption is more on a lcd compared to plasma panels of the same size (more so in the bigger displays >50in).
plasma's advantages are not worth getting it:
1. longer half life
2. darker black
3. more vivid colors
4. sharper moving scenes
5. better suited to the average home ambient lighting
It's either an older generation panel or a defective unit, since as far as I know, Hitachi has no bad reputation concerning burn-in issues. It may also be "IR" (Image Retention), which is a temporary condition; as distinguished from true burn-in, which is permanent.
so if your gonna use it in some gaming consoles...better to use LCD? coz of the burn in problems of plasma?
so if your gonna use it in some gaming consoles...better to use LCD? coz of the burn in problems of plasma?
I remember one suggestion though for gaming and plasma...set "torch mode" to off to prevent burn-in. Don't know if that would do the trick.
Plasma PQ is the best.
I agree! After a week of stressful testing of LCD's, I ended with a plasma ;D
got the pio427 last week, impressive! had it calibrated by pio yesterday and it became even more suptle to the eyes! (just try watching Cars on it and you will see how different it is to other panels)
Anyway, I am for LCD. I read somewhere that Sony has stopped their R&D for plasma and they are putting their money on:
L C D ;D
I am sure a major company like Sony had sufficient research to back up this move. So I am safe to agree with em.
To my eyes, Sony Bravias are now the finest LCDs available today, and it's doubtful if they could have achieved this if their attention on LCD technology were not as focused.
Today, it is undisputed that market preference is definitely for LCD. With LCD technology continuously improving and 40+ inch LCD prices constantly dropping, it's unlikely that plasma can ever catch up on market share.
can we create a poll for your preference? CRT, RPTV, Plasma or LCD?
can't seem to create one. :( this is it'll be easier to view the preferences of the members in a graph.
thanks!
i have no doubt lcd outsells plasma, but for accuracy, the report should have made a comparison also in terms of size sold considering that plasma market is really smaller due to size and price, correct me if im wrong ;)
it may be a matter of time before lcd achieves plasma pq, with the kind of war chest they have put on it. by that time hopefully we all have enough to buy the 'new' tv and say goodbye to our old 'reference' tv...until then....but not yet, not yet :D
i ended up getting a 42 inch panasonic plasma when all along, i've been looking at lcds.
i ended up getting a 42 inch panasonic plasma when all along, i've been looking at lcds. i was really disappointed with the 42 inch toshiba lcd when it was delivered that i had it exchanged for a plasma the next day. at this screen size, i think plasma is still ahead in the game against lcd. for 32 inch and lower, go for lcd.
i was really disappointed with the 42 inch toshiba lcd when it was delivered that i had it exchanged for a plasma the next day.
...we should have a separate thread for plasma panels. Kawawa naman ang mga plasma owners, kokonti lang kasi tayo, e ;D ;D ;D , that's why I'm forced to browse US, UK and Australian forums; pero sa totoo lang, mas gusto ko pa rin sa pinoydvd. :)
Just curious: Did you buy the Toshiba 42 LCD without a demo, or was the picture OK in the showroom but bad at home?
Hi barrister! How about you starting the thread for Plasmas? Your knowledge about plasma and credibility in this forum will give it a push, so that other plasma owners will share their experience and knowledge too. ;D
..., i think plasma is still ahead in the game against lcd.
but if you have an HD DVD or BD player, HD broadcast or even HD home video, it's quite difficult to decide which HD impression looks better, very much subjective and a matter of personal preferences.
All i am saying is, no matter what kind of paper research you do, nothing compares to actually seeing the unit in action. Just find a store that will help you with a side by side comparison. I did mine at Western in pasay road.
how's your cable viewing experience by the way?
Well, malayo talaga pag standard DVD ang source. (Hindi kita kinokontra, ha. Plasma owner din ako ;D)
Pero pag high def ang source nila pareho, malapit na malapit na rin, especially kung top tier plasma vs. top tier LCD.
Bright future for LCD TVs in Asia
Clement James, vnunet.com 27 Feb 2007
2006 sales in Asian region:
1. LCD - 40%
2. CRT - 39%
3. Plasma - 18%
4. Rear projector - 3%
http://www.whatpc.co.uk/vnunet/news/2184265/lcd-tvs-asia (http://www.whatpc.co.uk/vnunet/news/2184265/lcd-tvs-asia)
i have no doubt lcd outsells plasma, but for accuracy, the report should have made a comparison also in terms of size sold considering that plasma market is really smaller due to size and price, correct me if im wrong ;)
You're right, there should also be a segmented stat according to size/price. Plasmas are only at the 42" and up size.
To say that LCD is "crappy" is a bit unfair.
to be fair, i don't think he called lcd's as crappy in general. what he meant was a large no. of LCD buyers bought either the smaller panels or those cheap generic china-branded ones. katulad dito, for about 50-60k you can have a choice between the toshiba/sony/samsung 32"ers, or you can also fall for one of those generic ones - promac/skyworth/sansui/changhong, etc if you don't know any better.
"What this all tells me is budget shoppers are buying small, cheap LCDs in droves but those with money to spend and an eye for detail still strongly favour plasma.":P
Right now, the only advantage of the PDP over the LCD is that they have dominated the 40" up Vscreen.
:P
Detail but with GLARE ::) ???
The mere fact that Glare has been successfully eliminated by LCD will mean a lot to consummers who will truly appreciate this unrecognized value of the LCD
90% of the time, one will watch will the lights on and no matter what; a small annoying distracting glare will appear on the screen.
And, if your'e a cinephile, who often watch his videos in the dark, well......your'e pretty young to be able to withstand eye strain after 2 hours.
Right now, the only advantage of the PDP over the LCD is that they have dominated the 40" up Vscreen.
BTW.......how about the grid marks...ah...yeh...DETAIL :P :-X
Glare will only happen if you have a light source directly in front of the display. Maybe it's more of the reflection that you're reffering to.
But why do they dominate the 40" up? Is it only due to size?
The grid lines are only visible if you look at it very very close and when it is OFF. I don't think you'll watch any display very very close or watch an OFF display ;D. Even LCD's have grids if you look very very close at them.
Problem with middle aged men like me, eyestrain becomes an issue when watching in dimmed environment.
Bias lighting behind the panel reduces eye strain.
The best is Ideal-Lume by CinemaQuest:
bro,
pareho bang philips? if the shop is brightly lit, the lcd will look better. i saw a 42" philips lcd and i also like what i see. same impressions, vivid colors and sharp.
Same thing happen to me though I'm only using 3LCD projection TV. Can't watch it completely in the dark.
So I can well imagine for LCD..twice the quality & twice the "sakit mata" condition :P
i was just at western marketing yesterday. they have both a 42" philips lcd and 42" plasma side by side showing the same content. well, don't know if it's just a personal preference, but i think i like the lcd picture better. it is noticeably sharper, brighter and more vivid. i have no chance to tweak the units but as displayed, di rin papahuli yung blacks nung lcd. i'm not sure though if the plasma panel is still SD or HD capable already.
taggart, re dark viewing gearhead has made some valid suggestion which could solve those mentioned problems, i.e. adding some ambient light to prevent eyestrain. Maybe installin gthose DD or DTS light logo will do the trick. :)
ang lcd po panel lang po ang pinapalitan tapos good as new na ulit
ang presyo ng panel ng lcd is more or less 15k
matzer & pchin,
that's a valid problem regarding viewing these panels in darkness. so for home theatre ambience, lcd won't cut it? hope the lcd manufacturers are figuring out how to fix this issue. maybe a night mode or something.
If you watch LCD in the dark, masakit sa mata. I tried but couldnt take it.
Same thing happen to me though I'm only using 3LCD projection TV. Can't watch it completely in the dark.
So I can well imagine for LCD..twice the quality & twice the "sakit mata" condition
mga sir ang plasma po ay malakas sa kuryente 400watts
ang lcd po ay nasa 250 to 290 base on sony LCD
durability mahina ang plasma at disposable ang panel
ang lcd po panel lang po ang pinapalitan tapos good as new na ulit
ang presyo ng panel ng lcd is more or less 15k
mostly gumagamit ng plasma mga commercial stblishment kc nga po disposable
pag nasira tapon na, un lang po sir
I thought intelligent (room) illumination sensor (automatic dimmer) is a standard feature of LCD HDTVs. Some LCDs don't have that feature yet??? Well, you can manually decrease the brightness and contrast settings depending on room illumination.
HT ambience is rather subjective but certainly not as bright as 1000 lux stores. When I completed my first HT set-up in the late nineties, I could stand watching in total darkness, but since 4 years back, I started to use bias lighting and keep some lampshades on at the sides not only to reduce eyestrain and headache but also to protect my family's health in general.
So far I know SONY is giving out their promo booklet regularly (teh current one is the Summer promo) which listed all the available LCDs, etc & has all the main features hi-lighted.
How about the other brands/models? Do they provide brochures so that we can compare the specs?
Power consumption is relevant, CRT is on the way out, everyone will surely get one of these Flat Panels eventually(Who knows by next year, they might be available as surplus at the Pier), and it'll even be a lot cheaper when compared to the CRT prices during their "Boom days". ;)
On a bigger picture, power consumption should be a concern for Meralco, the Napocor and the Phil Government. If all Philippine households were capable of purchasing huge sized TVs at the moment, I doubt if the existing electrical networks would be able to carry the load.
mga sirs, question po. what would be better for ps2/ps3 gaming, an htpc (surfing and a little pc gaming as well), plasma or lcd? thanks guys!
What information do you need? I can possibly post the complete specs of Sharp, Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, Victor, Hitachi, etc. based on their Jan-Mar 2007 catalog in Japan (I would have to translate the entries). Many of the models may not be available in the Philippines, but the information should be interesting.
A bit OT.
In terms of PQ only, which is better a decent 32" HD CRT TV or a mid level 32" LCD?
Im just wondering if its already worth upgrading to LCD :)
BTW, Im not into BR or HD-DVD (yet) he he.
TIA
BUMP?! ::)
i agree that the plasma PQ is better than LCD.
unfortunately, walang Panny PX60U dito e. :( meron ba? and the panny 600U & pioneer elites cost an arm and a leg! :(
Backwitz Bro, you've got to consider that most of the CRT HDTVs in our beloved country have already been dumped from Japan and may not be at optimum condition. Anyways, comparing my Sony super fine pitch 32DX850 with a 37V GD6 Aquos when watching regular TV programs, satellite TV and DVD, there is no doubt that the CRT color is superior. Upscaled DVDs are just plain awesome.
When watching hd broadcast and HD DVD, the CRT is relatively softer and lacks the 3d effect which is expected because of the inherent limitation of the CRT resolution. Yet, I would say that the CRT is still able to display very impressive hd quality images especially when the scene is bright and colorful. Without an LCD or Plasma, a 32 inch HDTV CRT is satisfactory for hi-def viewing.
TFC (ABS-CBN's The Filipino Channel) SUCKS beyond description on my LCD. It is tolerable on the CRT even though the signal quality is obviously poor compared to American and European channels. Kulang sa kulay, kulang sa linaw, ngongo ang tunog pero makapal ang foundation ng hosts, actors and actresses.
Xbox360 (720p) gaming is AWESOME for both. Anything CG is pretty impressive in hi-def, whether you watch it in CRT or an LCD.
Is it worth upgrading now? If you're not into any form of hi-def yet, I don't think so. If you can afford an LCD or a Plasma, WHY NOT. In any case, once you upgrade to an LCD or Plasma, it would be even harder to WAIT for the format war to settle.
As I always advise, I still think Plasma is MORE SUITABLE in the Philippines. Kaya lang, Plasmas seem to be more expensive than LCDs out there. That is quite surprising actually.
thanks bro. =).
There is a seller of brandnew (refurbished?) Tosh here in the PI. I might just settle for this one for now.
Stay away from LCD PC Monitors, as their panels are mostly of TN type, the cheapest LCD technology
Bro, what is TN Type ? In that case, panels used in LCD PC Monitors and that of LCD TV are different? Are they inferior?
By May 2007, AOC distributor will be releasing in the market their 32" LCD HDTV @ 1,200 CR and @ 900 brightness w/ 6 ms RT. Price will be around 30 to 35K.
So far, my experience with LCD PC monitors is ok, especially when used with a good source of video, proper calibration of color in video card and other tweaks. I'm using a 22" WS AOC monitor.
The most problematic characteristic of OLED is the limited lifetime of its organic materials. The red and green LEDs have acceptable 10,000 to 40,000 hour lifetimes, but the blue component has high failure rates after about 3,000 to 5,000 hours. Thus, the key to an OLED panel's longevity is improvement in the blue LED's lifespan.
Another problem is water sealing. The intrusion of water into displays can damage or destroy the organic materials.
OLED is easier to manufacture than LCD, so it's projected to ultimately become cheaper than LCDs. Unlike LCDs, OLEDs have more accurate colors and do not have any viewing angle degradation. Also, LCDs employ a backlight and are incapable of showing true black, while OLEDs can easily produce better blacks by simply turning off the pertinent OLED elements.
OLEDs can even be printed onto flexible substrates such as roll-up displays or even displays embedded in clothing.
Palpak pa sa ngayon, pero pag nasolve ang problema sa blue LEDs, papatok yan dahil mas mura daw ito sa LCD.
Plasma TV Is Better Than LCD And Thats Official
By David Richards | Wednesday | 16/05/2007
Plasma promo site (Panasonic Australia)
- Hitachi 42PD9800TA, 42" Plasma, sabi nung salesman, without the freebies and kung cash, kaya ibaba up to 117k (yung 42PD9500TA kaya daw up to 90k ang difference lang daw is walang PiP tsaka motorised swivel ito), kaso nga lang 1024x1080 lang ang resolution, pero 1400nit naman at 10000:1 contrast ratio
- Samsung LE40F71, 40" LCD, full HD resolution, 140k, pero may free 20" LCD, so siguro kung wala lahat ng freebies at cash malaki pa ibababa, yun nga lang 500nit at 6000:1 ang contrast ratio
Gusto ko po bumili ng 42" up na plasma or LCD, budget is 150 to 200k. Ok lang po kung 720p kung yon lang kasya sa budget or kung maganda talaga yung particular model.
After ko maglibot sa karamihan ng appliance stores sa Makati, ang napansin ko po eh makukuha na yung gusto kong tv sa 100k. Though yung mga 200k worth na mga lcds and plasmas medyo nakaka-tukso talaga.
Ito po ang mga nakita ko na medyo nakuha yung attention ko:
- Hitachi 42PD9800TA, 42" Plasma, sabi nung salesman, without the freebies and kung cash, kaya ibaba up to 117k (yung 42PD9500TA kaya daw up to 90k ang difference lang daw is walang PiP tsaka motorised swivel ito), kaso nga lang 1024x1080 lang ang resolution, pero 1400nit naman at 10000:1 contrast ratio
- Samsung LE40F71, 40" LCD, full HD resolution, 140k, pero may free 20" LCD, so siguro kung wala lahat ng freebies at cash malaki pa ibababa, yun nga lang 500nit at 6000:1 ang contrast ratio
Bale itong dalawa ang una kong titignan pero titignan ko pa rin yung ibang models. Dadalhin ko yung aking MG-350HD at magpaplay ng mga sample videos at titignan ko kung saan pinaka-ok na PQ.
Any other recommendations?
The Hate-achi's price that was quoted to you is the SRP, for cash you can still haggle. I was suppose to get the 9500 for 116K for 18 months. Somebody even got a quote of 95K for this model. But due to their very bad customer service, which have brought me so much frustration, I opted to switch to another brand. For your budget of up to 200K, look for the the new Pioneer which is around 180K, or the newer Panasonics.
Samsung has new full-HD LCD's, with better specs than the F-series, check them out. The 42-in are a bit above your 200K, but I believe you can still haggle if you can pay in cash.
... look for the the new Pioneer which is around 180K ...
jvm,
the new Pioneer 8th gen is out already and priced at 180k? where did you see it?
Sorry mga bro, I did not bother to check the specific model number. It was at Anson's ATC. It arrived when I was selecting the replacement for my former TV. That was last Wednesday, May16. The Pioneer rep there told me it was their newest model.
I'll try to find out the specific model later today.
jvm, any update on this pio model?
I think it is the Pioneer PDP 427xg we are talking about as there is no such Pioneer model as the pdp 42txg. Old model Pioneer 436-sixth generation plasma 43 inches. 427-seventh generation plasma 42 inches. The new models is the 428-eight generation plasma 42 inches.
Shield Your LCD from Flying Wiimotes
Wed May 23, 2007 6:21AM EDT
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It's good to see I'm not the only paranoid Wii gamer. One night, I had a dream where I accidentally ruined my Sony Bravia during a Wii Sports bowling tournament. I know, I need to stop reading Wii have a problem.
Regardless, people have done some pretty stupid things with the Wiimote, and I just can't help being a little paranoid about it. You knew it wasn't going to be long, before one company found a way to capitalize on our concerns.
Taiwanese TV maker LCDArm created an LCD safety shield to keep your TV intact. Gearlog says the acrylic cover fits 30-46 inch screens, and even protects your eyes from ultraviolet rays the TV may give off. The huge plastic guard doesn't have a frame and is 98 percent transparent, so it can stay on even when you're not playing. Pricing hasn't been disclosed yet, but the company says this guard is coming soon.
Has anyone had problems with broken TVs or Wii straps?
Three Year Old Smashes Plasma Screen In Wii-Rage Incident
By Charlie Sorrel May 25, 2007 | 5:17:07 AMCategories: Games
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Ok. I admit it, I was wrong when I trashed the Wii Safety Shield, although even that might not have been enough to save poor Brian McConnell's $2000 plasma TV when his son went freak-out crazy on it this week. Three and a half year old Adam was left playing Wii Tennis while his dad went to fetch him a drink.
The evidence points to the kid losing a game, and then the red mist came down. "I heard two big bangs," said Brian, "When I ran back in Adam was using the handset to smash the TV screen."
The 42" screen is a write off and will have to be replaced. Unlike his son, Brian managed to keep it together. "I thought about how I could explain to a three-and-a-half year old what he had done wrong. I ended up asking him how he'd feel if I broke his Spiderman"
Adam is banned from playing the Wii for two weeks. I fear for Spiderman in the meantime.
Phew awesome! But I wonder what's the SRP would be... ;D
there's a guy in tipidpc.com that does this ACRYLIC LCD MONITORS. His username is cham_e_lyon. I ordered two pieces from him for my lcd monitors. (P500.00 each for a 20" wide pc monitor) I had to give him the measurements through email and it cmae out perfectly.
voj
50" Shootout: Samsung LCD vs Sharp LCD vs Panasonic Plasma vs Hitachi Plasma:
http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/1127/v/3/sp/332470698888332326302 (http://www.avreview.co.uk/news/article/mps/UAN/1127/v/3/sp/332470698888332326302)
I also got one of this acrylic shields, Its good for computer monitors but it reflects anything in front of it. This negates one of the LCD properties I really like as compared to crts. The non-reflecting property of the LCD's is very useful and using acrylic cover will negatively affect its performace.
puwede din kaya itong acrylic shields na ito for use sa plasma TV 42"? would want to place sana something like this to protect the glass from scratches ;)
Initially I was really considering getting an LCD because of its non-reflecting property, I was surprised that with the Plasma I got hindi ganun ka grabe yung reflection ;D The only thing I noticed is if I use HDMI mayron mga 1/2" sa left side ng panel na black as well as an inch of black line mga 3" from the bottom left corner ng screen ??? ??? ???
thanks for the info! will visit theaterworks this weekend.
funny thing is three times ko na siya try puntahan diko pa rin ito makita. last i tried was monday. sabi sa akin nung Concierge sa 2nd floor use the escalator then turn left then first corner right, narating ko na ang Toys r Us diko nakita theaterworks ;D
thanks for the info! will visit theaterworks this weekend.
funny thing is three times ko na siya try puntahan diko pa rin ito makita. last i tried was monday. sabi sa akin nung Concierge sa 2nd floor use the escalator then turn left then first corner right, narating ko na ang Toys r Us diko nakita theaterworks ;D
thanks very much Sir Ricky! pretty sure the next time i go makikita ko na ito ;) My only worry is baka ma temp ako bumili ulit ;)
use the mindanao parking area, park on the third level. sa entrance, it's the 2nd or third store on your left. trinoma is one big maze >:( ;D
Ha ha ha I know what you mean. Shocking yung price ni jeff,parang cellphone na lang value ng LCDs :o ;D
New plasma marketing campaign in Australia cites consumer blind test conducted by Synovate:
Plasma TV Is Better Than LCD And Thats Official
By David Richards | Wednesday | 16/05/2007
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/TVs_And_Large_Display/Plasma/H3Q5M9F6 (http://www.smarthouse.com.au/TVs_And_Large_Display/Plasma/H3Q5M9F6)
Plasma promo site (Panasonic Australia): http://www.whychooseplasma.com.au/ (http://www.whychooseplasma.com.au/)
based on the foregoing (hehe, can't help it, work phrases are hard to let go), between a P50k+ 42" plasma (which is merely HD capable, and has no HDMI inputs etc) and an almost P50k 32" LCD which is HD, with all the important connections, whichis better?
maybe sir wala pang tuner yung bare model. pero i think all you would need is an old working vhs player that has tuner ;) oops if its the industrial plasma model baka hindi din kasama yung stand. ask mo si Jeff ng Theaterworks and I am sure he will be more than willing to help you with your concerns ;)
ano po mas ok pagdating sa standard cable tv viewing plasma or lcd? balak ko po kc bumili ng 37' or bigger na tv. currently gamit ko 29' na lumang sony. Mas ok parin ba yng old tv pagdating sa standard tv? mas ok ba kung i-retain ko nalang yung old tv and use the new one to watch dvd's and xbox 360?
thanks
Planning to buy just a 32-incher soon, upon reading the link posted above, parang gusto ko na rin mag plasma..hehe..kaya lang pang lcd lang talaga budget ko :D
Planning to buy just a 32-incher soon, upon reading the link posted above, parang gusto ko na rin mag plasma..hehe..kaya lang pang lcd lang talaga budget ko :D
meron naman murang plasma na panasonic eh 49k lang. ;)
ito po ba sir yun na-pm nyo sakn na Panasonic 32LX70?
interesting link ;) don't know kung na post na ito before.
http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.eu/home/ (http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.eu/home/)
mahirap talaga kung ang budget ay pang 32" lang. parang PQ and whatever else are playing second fiddle to cash constraints.
well, i'm still sufficiently confused ??? presently choosing between the panasonic viera 42pv70 and the toshiba 37a3000, both of which are getting good reviews.
i can't afford to pay either in cash ;D so i'm looking at the best 0% deal. the one thing going in favor of the toshiba is that my budget for this year (and the next) will be severely affected if i insist on the pana. hahaha! mahirap talaga kung ang budget ay pang 32" lang. parang PQ and whatever else are playing second fiddle to cash constraints.
vtec3! so ano nga ba ang dapat kong kunin? LCD or yung 50pv70? haha pampagulo ba?
hi!
i read somewhere that LCDs work best under bright conditions and the plasma, for watching in the dark. if my (would-be) plasma/lcd will be placed near a window (which is a light source e.g. morning sunshine), would that be a problem? does that mean i should get an LCD rather than a plasma?
i think the number of HDMI will only matter on where you will use the unit. As you said probably isa sa Video Player and the other sa Gaming. If ever naman that you bought a unit with a single HDMI input lang mayron naman available I think na HDMI switch that you can use.
the same case with me, got my unit last June and still diko pa tapos yung break-in period ;) I just can't enjoy the widescreen DVD because I have to use the Screen Fit mode of the DVD Player to fill the whole screen.
but in eventually after the break-in period you are still ahead with the Plasma ;)
???
why the need to break it in when burn in issues are a thing of the past in the latest generations of plasma tvs? ???
same here bro! i always zoom in for now. hehe
another option is play DVDs na 1.85 ang aspect ratio ;) Toy Story 2 now on sale ng Viva is an example ;)
yup. in my case peace of mind lang talaga ;D
@vtec3, san nakakabili ng hdmi switch and how much? tnks
NOW available HDMI switch box w/ remote
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@vtec3,
sorry for the late reply. i haven't been into this thread for quite some time :)
anyway, based on the spec sheets, hitachi has an advantage nga over the panasonic. i guess i have to see them myself...
one thing that got my attention on the hitachi is the 1024 x 1080 resolution, the highest among all plasma tvs and near full hd quality na...
have you already seen the lower model of the 9800? the 9500? how does it compare to the former? i am after the video quality, it has the same specs minus the other feats (motorized swivel, sd card, usb...etc) i think i won't be able to use them naman and would save me money to buy an hd player :D
9800, 9500 and pv70 lang naman na ang options ko...i wanna shift to plasma na coz i already tried the LCD, and currently using one... :D
Prototype Sharp Aquos LCD TV:
Screen Size: 52 inches;
Thickness: 1 inch;
Contrast Ratio: 100,000:1
Connections: High Speed Wireless
(http://www.techchee.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sharps-super-thin-lcd-tv-measures-20mm-only-220807.jpg)
(http://www.techchee.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/sharps-super-thin-lcd-you-can-frame-it-up-and-hang-it-on-the-wall-like-a-painting-220807.jpg)
http://www.techchee.com/2007/08/22/sharps-super-thin-lcd-tv-measures-20mm-thick-only/ (http://www.techchee.com/2007/08/22/sharps-super-thin-lcd-tv-measures-20mm-thick-only/)
http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/08/22/sharp.ultra.thin.lcd/ (http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/08/22/sharp.ultra.thin.lcd/)
PC World: Plasma Beats LCD
The magazine tests both and picks a winner.
Washington, D.C. (September 28, 2007) -- Should you buy a LCD or Plasma flat-panel HDTV?
The debate rages on in living rooms and retail shops with advocates of both saying their fave offers a better picture at a better value.
But PC World is now declaring its winner: Plasma. At least in the 40-42 inch set range.
The publication recently tested 12 flat-panel sets between 40 and 42 inches and said three of the top four scoring sets for image quality were Plasma HDTVs. The sole LCD in the group was a Vizio model.
"The Plasma sets' good showing is all the more impressive when you consider that 1080p resolution is only just becoming common on sets of this size, and at this point is far more common on LCDs," the magazine states.
But PC World said 1080p "doesn't create a noticeable advantage--even with 1080i and 1080p source material."
The only 1080p commercial video now on the market are high-def discs from Blu-ray and HD DVD; the broadcast and cable channels are not in 1080p.
"So why would anyone buy an LCD TV? Because they're far less prone to image burn-in. Today's Plasma TVs don't suffer from this condition as much as older models did, and the damage is less likely to be permanent, but it's still a danger," PC World said.
The magazine added: "Whether burn-in becomes a problem depends on your viewing habits. If you watch a lot of standard-definition programs in 4-by-3 mode or if you spend most of your viewing time at stations that run a tickertape along the bottom of the screen, LCD makes the better choice."
PC World said Panasonic's TH-42PV700U 42-inch Plasma offered the best picture in its test group.
Source (http://www.tvpredictions.com/pcflat092807.htm)
Wow!!!! meron ako nito... hehehe.. maganda talaga, kung sa mga di pa nakakakita nito see it for yourself. ;)
PC World: Plasma Beats LCD
The magazine tests both and picks a winner.
Washington, D.C. (September 28, 2007) -- Should you buy a LCD or Plasma flat-panel HDTV?
The debate rages on in living rooms and retail shops with advocates of both saying their fave offers a better picture at a better value.
But PC World is now declaring its winner: Plasma. At least in the 40-42 inch set range.
The publication recently tested 12 flat-panel sets between 40 and 42 inches and said three of the top four scoring sets for image quality were Plasma HDTVs. The sole LCD in the group was a Vizio model.
"The Plasma sets' good showing is all the more impressive when you consider that 1080p resolution is only just becoming common on sets of this size, and at this point is far more common on LCDs," the magazine states.
But PC World said 1080p "doesn't create a noticeable advantage--even with 1080i and 1080p source material."
The only 1080p commercial video now on the market are high-def discs from Blu-ray and HD DVD; the broadcast and cable channels are not in 1080p.
"So why would anyone buy an LCD TV? Because they're far less prone to image burn-in. Today's Plasma TVs don't suffer from this condition as much as older models did, and the damage is less likely to be permanent, but it's still a danger," PC World said.
The magazine added: "Whether burn-in becomes a problem depends on your viewing habits. If you watch a lot of standard-definition programs in 4-by-3 mode or if you spend most of your viewing time at stations that run a tickertape along the bottom of the screen, LCD makes the better choice."
PC World said Panasonic's TH-42PV700U 42-inch Plasma offered the best picture in its test group.
Source (http://www.tvpredictions.com/pcflat092807.htm)
This is one of the oddest articles I've read ;D
PC World says Plasma is the absolute winner...but seems to say LCD is the better choice to avoid burn-in. ;D
I don't think they were able to make up their mind ;D
@ericag_ph, nowadays there is no burn in for plasma's. That was the issue long before (1st gen -4th gen 2000-2004) The plasma now is on 10th gen already, and what they have now is called whitewash, its like a wiper that goes every second when you play a film, pc or games. :)
I'm selling these units guys, i have a shop at trinoma called theater works. Personally i dont have a unit like this for myself (how i wish ;D), mine is 50pv70 lang. Pm me nalng for the price baka ma ot ako dito. hehehe.. :)
@ericag_ph, nowadays there is no burn in for plasma's. That was the issue long before (1st gen -4th gen 2000-2004) The plasma now is on 10th gen already, and what they have now is called whitewash, its like a wiper that goes every second when you play a film, pc or games. :)
I'm selling these units guys, i have a shop at trinoma called theater works. Personally i dont have a unit like this for myself (how i wish ;D), mine is 50pv70 lang. Pm me nalng for the price baka ma ot ako dito. hehehe.. :)
@ericag_ph, nowadays there is no burn in for plasma's. That was the issue long before (1st gen -4th gen 2000-2004) The plasma now is on 10th gen already, and what they have now is called whitewash, its like a wiper that goes every second when you play a film, pc or games. :)
maraming article sa internet says plasma is not susceptible to burn-in.
kasali kaya ang burn-in issue sa one year guaranty? ... wala pa akong nakita guaranty certificate ng Panasonic that says guaranty screen from burn-in.
I'm selling these units guys, i have a shop at trinoma called theater works. Personally i dont have a unit like this for myself (how i wish ;D), mine is 50pv70 lang. Pm me nalng for the price baka ma ot ako dito. hehehe.. :)
@ericag_ph, nowadays there is no burn in for plasma's. That was the issue long before (1st gen -4th gen 2000-2004) The plasma now is on 10th gen already, and what they have now is called whitewash, its like a wiper that goes every second when you play a film, pc or games. :)
Actually, I think burn-in is still very much around. PC World's article makes references to it (burn-in) for one.
Last year alone (Aug 2006), I was still thinking of getting a Hitachi plasma, salesguy even said it has a new anti-burn-in feature similar to what you are describing below....that each pixel was being color cycled every 2 seconds, etc... So, he showed me the unit that was probably playing the same movie 8hrs x 7days. It had black bars at the top and bottom. So I asked the salesguy to display a totally white image. Sure enough, there was a darker shade of white at the top and bottom. ;D He had no explanation except that there was another feature that could wipe it off...will take two hours. ;D No thanks, I told him.
I do quite a lot of gaming..Thanks
May issue paba about dead pixels yung LCD?
Kung wala ng burn-in ang mga newer generation plasmas, why the need to break-in the unit for 100hrs?
^ ang liit naman nun, 11 inches pa lang ;D
Kung wala ng burn-in ang mga newer generation plasmas, why the need to break-in the unit for 100hrs?
sir ano po tong whitewash? meron ba nyan sa pv70? tnx
May issue paba about dead pixels yung LCD?
Sony's coming out with the first commercially produced OLED TV this December...
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2190726,00.asp
Kung wala ng burn-in ang mga newer generation plasmas, why the need to break-in the unit for 100hrs?
From pv60 up lahat meron sir. ;)
The reason to have a 100 hour break-in is to condition the phosphors. Plasma phosphors are most susceptible to image retention in the first hundred hours of use, especially when the plasma was initially set at higher level of contrast. It is therefore advisable initially (during first 100 hours) to tone down contrast levels, and avoid watching TV with of fixed or static image for a long period. If the user had followed certain 100 hours break-in guidelines, chances are his plasma panel becomes considerably less sensitive to burn-in after this period.
No doubt about it, the new plasma is still susceptible to burn-in. However, giving your plasma a little precaution before a crisis occurs is preferable to a lot of fixing up afterward. The 100 hours break-in is your ticket to prevent the possibility of image burn-in. As it says, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Does the plasma units have a timer to know how many hours it have been used? If not, how do you log the time when breaking-in a plasma TV? And while breaking-in the plasma TV, does it have a limit to the number of hours it is turned ON continuously? Can I just leave it ON for 4 days continuously so I can be done with the break-in period faster?
About the 100hrs burn-in issue for plasma, here's what i've been doin so far w/my 42PV70H...
- Im using the DVD break-in (http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm) on a playback loop w/Pioneer DV400s
- Equally lowering down the standard settings..all @ 35
- Power save is on, volume @ NIL too just to save a little bit of Kw (dunno if this has effect though ;))
- Continuously running from 9PM - 7AM
Since the plasma is in our room, it saves us more time & electricity during the break-in period due to the fact that the aircon is also running overnight. I dont need to set a different schedule to break-in the plasma & at the same time turning-on the aircon for good ventilation in our room. I've just finished 70hrs on my break-in & will reach the magic "100" by saturday morning..perfect timing for a good old sat night HD viewing. BTW, what I've been doing are all based on what I read over the web & a few tips from my friend PCHIN. Which means, for all those who will try to do the same...I can not guarantee that the results of my break-in would be the same as yours so in case somethin bad happens during & after the break-in of your unit..pls dont ask for my unit to replace yours...hahaha...peace bros & good luck...just my 1 sentimo..
;D
bro pwede ba mag break in using dvd title with 1.85 widescreen resolution or cable viewing ang tamang pag break-in.
bro nice tip sa pag break in :D, question pala regarding pioneer dv400, does it upscale to 720p/1080i using
component video?
thanks
bro pwede ba mag break in using dvd title with 1.85 widescreen resolution or cable viewing ang tamang pag break-in.
bro nice tip sa pag break in :D, question pala regarding pioneer dv400, does it upscale to 720p/1080i using
component video?
thanks
I agree w/bro Rafmac, I think upscaling can be attained thru HDMI connection only. Anyways, lets ask some experts here to confirm your query. Btw bro, im not an expert on this HD technology so I only based my answers from what I read here in the forum & other HD web sources... ;)
The bandwidth capability of a component connection is sufficient to support full high definition video.
Why? Because the studios want the copy protection (HDCP or High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) that HDMI can provide. They can't have HDCP on component anymore because the component standard was finalized long before the creation of HDCP. In order to apply HDCP with an assurance of compatibility across various models and brands, what they need is an entirely new standard integrating HDCP ---- and that's HDMI.
The manufacturers have led us to believe that HDMI is better because it's the high tech alternative. It's high tech all right --- high tech copy protection.
Other articles:
http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/whats-the-matter-with-hdmi (http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/whats-the-matter-with-hdmi)
http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback102.html (http://news.digitaltrends.com/talkback102.html)
plasma or lcd? i think it depends on your application since both are not perfect video displays but have respective strengths and weaknesses. if you have the space and will use it for tv/movie viewing, then i'll go with plasma. if limited space and/or want to integrate it with your multimedia system (pc, gaming, etc.), then i suggest lcd. bottom line, either one works as long as it will make you happy ;D
For me, i'll just wait for SED TV ;D
Hi,
I would like to seek your opinion on another aspect of this topic. The power consumptions of these items. I understand that Plasma is higher in terms of power consumption than LCD. I also heard that Plasma generates more heat than LCD. :)
I own a plasma tv. My electric consumption increased, but only slightly, when i upgraded from a regular CRT tv, to a plasma. I watch TV approximately 1-2 hours a day on weekdays, and maybe 4 hours to sawa (depending on schedule) on weekends. For comparison, my electric bill increased more over the summer when I used the aircon extensively, than when I switched from CRT to plasma.
Re heat, medyo mainit nga. Pero not enough to make me not like watching tv. ;D
Hope you don't mind. What was the size of your CRT and your plasma?
Does the heat affect you when you're watching, or just when you're near the Plasma? Obviously, we won't stand near a big TV Set when we're watching. :D
TIA. ;)
Plasma or lcd using HDMI, DVI or Component will always UPSCALE or DOWNSCALE to their native resolution. Whether or not your players upscale or not. It's actually weird to have an upscaled image out of your DVD players. If your plasma or lcd does not support the input resolution even if it can recognise and accept it, the upscaled image will just be downscaled to the display's native resolution. You really don't need an upscaling DVD player if you already have an HDTV. Unless you are convinced the player's upscaler is superior to what your TV has.
i vote for the panasonic. i had 2 philips 42"plasmas last year and after 6 and 8 months both tv's broke down on me and customer service is very bad plus repair time is soooo long with philips until now still my tv hasnt been fixed(7months na). i will never buy from philips again. i have the panasonic 42" pv70 plasma used it mainly on ps3 and works perfectly
they are both great. But beware of eye fatigue that LCD could cause you. The backlight of LCD is too bright and therefore our pupil will be force to work extra hard while watching LCD. You will end up with red and teary eyes after a movie or two.
My LCD for the Laptop has caused me enough problems already. definitely a no no for my kids, who spend too many time with TV. M very happy with my plasma. Heard Pioneer is coming up with a new range call KURO m so exciting to see their new product.
i also hate the whitish color that LCD is deliverying
depende cguro kung ano ang damage, sa akin inoorder pa daw sa singapore
kaya pala... ;D
Any manufacturer will not cover warranty without supporting docs... :'(
Only in third world countries without strong consumer laws. ;D
Yup! That is the law that exist here bro... 8)yes i know its my fault i lost the reciept and thats not a problem bec. im willing to pay the huge amount they estimated for repair. the problems is the customer servicxe is not responding to me everytime i email, they used to answer me, when i call they said wala pa. can you stand not having your beloved tv for almost a year? bec. of that i simply bought a new plasma. and this did not only happen once... twice on different philips plasmas! in less than a year! wow even if they had excellent customer service who would want to buy a product that easily dies on you. if ever i have it fixed im going to sell the tv for 25K since im afraid it will die on me, pay for repair,wait for almost a year to have it fixed...
Bro ask ko lang...what part ba nasira sa Plasma mo? ??? Seven months? It's unusual... ;D Ako isang tawag lang inasikaso nila ko agad and take note Libre! libre ang pagrepair nila sa old Plasma ko...imagine, 3years na old palsma ko nalibre pa repair...kaya nga ko bumili ulit ng LCD kasi efficient at accommodating ang service nila... 8)
hello,
i would like to ask for everyone's opinion.
im in the market for a new plasma or lcd tv. if i go with a plasma, it would probably be 42"
and 37" for lcd.
i will use the tv for 60% sky cable, 30% 480p dvd and 10% wii.
i currently do not have a blu ray player.
another consideration is that i watch tv even after my family is sound asleep in the same room.
so the room is totally dark except for the tv. will the 42" plasma be too bright as to disturb the people
sleeping?
what do you guys recommend?
panasonic 42pv70 ka na bro
you will find lcd much "brighter" than plasma, so since you have no alternative they being both brighter than crt, id rather get the plasma for pq, anyway minimal lang use mo for gaming. ;)my2cents
p.s.
pre para matuloy ang balak mo, baka puede sila mag kumot para hindi sila magising ;D
hindi pa magiging parang umaga na yung buong kwarto while im watching in the dark?
I have a wireless earphone that I use when I want to use the tv and not disturb my wife.
It seems that plasma is more popular here in pinoydvd.
42 inches and below: lcd
42 inches to 70 inches: plasma
Does this mean that plasma and LCD are the same when screen size is exactly 42 inches?
Does this mean that plasma and LCD are the same when screen size is exactly 42 inches?
Good que barrister. So for size 42" is it considered "neutral" i.e. it's up to the buyer's preference? :)
Personally, guess I'd still go for Plasma. ;D
I'm a seller and a user of both units, but for me plasma pa din. ;)
Nope. It means that's all Pioneer can do and offer (plasma size 42 to 60). ;D ;D ;D
In the pioneer plasma thread (click here (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=76487.msg789349#msg789349)), pioneer's russ johnston makes a neat simplification of display choices:
42 inches and below: lcd
42 inches to 70 inches: plasma
above 70 inches: projector
Plasma has gone down in market share relative to LCD, and that trend is continuing — and it's had something to do with this decision. Can you speculate on the reason why plasma is declining relative to LCD?
We're not in the TV business; we're in the home theater market space. That's from 50 inches to as big as 70 inches. Plasma dominates that size range. Obviously, LCD is suited for 42 inches and below. We can show you how it performs in our size space, and what our extreme difference is. When you get above 70 inches, it's probably projectors that are better for that [viewing] environment.
42 inches and below: lcd
42 inches to 70 inches: plasma
Does this mean that plasma and LCD are the same when screen size is exactly 42 inches?
For computer viewing, LCD is recommended.
whats the usual lifespan of plasma vs lcd? and in terms of power consumption which is cheaper?
hi, quick question mga sirs. if I plan to use a flat panel for both tv viewing and computer viewing, recommended pa din ba plasma particularly yun popular na panasonic 42" dito
I would think of it this way. If I'm going to spend a good amount of money for a large flat panel whether it be plasma or LCD type, I would use it any way I want to right now without much concern of the consequences. Why would I want to keep my TV for 60,000 hours (that's more than 13.5 years assuming I use the TV for 12 hours per day) if 5-8 years down the road, these current gen panels would be very very badly outdated (and most likely, I'd be itching to get a new one again anyways).
I would think of it this way. If I'm going to spend a good amount of money for a large flat panel whether it be plasma or LCD type, I would use it any way I want to right now without much concern of the consequences. Why would I want to keep my TV for 60,000 hours (that's more than 13.5 years assuming I use the TV for 12 hours per day) if 5-8 years down the road, these current gen panels would be very very badly outdated (and most likely, I'd be itching to get a new one again anyways).
So would I recommend that popular PV70 for TV and computing? It won't be that bad unless you intend to sit within 1 meter away from it as you usually would when using a regular sized PC monitor. But then would you be actually sitting within 1 meter from a 42 inch panel for long hours even in the case of native full HD types? 2-3 meters away, these popular big sized panels should be OK for computing with wireless keyboard and mouse.
Plasma's success is no "comeback"
It comes as news to us that plasma was "given up for dead less than a year ago," as the linked article says. But we won't complain about the success that PDPs are enjoying lately and the excitement that continues to be generated by the displays. It's obvious that LCDs have taken over as synonymous with FPD to most consumers, but there are a couple of things that play to plasma's strengths. First, the increasing demand for LCDs has created a supply shortage that PDPs are happy to fill. Second, and more exciting to us, is the movement of PDPs to the high end, premium market. It's a good time to be a plasma-aware HD-nut!
Q1 2008 plasma shipments up 56% from a year ago
It's no surprise to see that the LCD sector is doing quite well; plasmas, on the other hand, have certainly been on the downward trend. According to new data from Displaybank, shipments of PDP modules managed to slide 15-percent during Q1 2008 compared to the always high Q4 of last year (you know, those holidays tend to do that), but the intriguing stat is the year-over-year: it's up 56-percent. For what it's worth, pricing for plasma panels is on the skids as well, and while the 40-inch segment accounted for just over half of all shipments, the 50-inchers claimed another 25-percent. In case you haven't noticed, quite a bit of shaking up has gone on in the plasma industry here recently, and while LG Electronics took back over the lead in Q1, anything is fair game from here on out.
Plasma manufacturers relish uptick in demand from China
We already heard that flat-panel demand in China was seeing a fairly substantial spike, and apparently, a number of plasma manufacturers are champing at the bit to turn around the currently poor performing segment of their portfolios by giving the Chinese something they suddenly crave. Reportedly, both Samsung and LG have "increased PDP production" in the lead-up to the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games and Euro 2008. Additionally, Hitachi is busting out some confetti of its own, as it will purportedly sell some "30-percent of plasma panels it plans to produce in the year to March 2009 [to] Chinese television manufacturers." Also of note, it's being reported that the outfit "may consider withdrawing from Australia and focusing on developing and making products for key markets such as Japan, North America and Asia," but we've seen nothing official either
Sirs,
I'd just like to ask if LCD TV's require break-in period as what I've beern hearing with plasma TV's. I'm planning to buy a flat panel (between 37-inch to 42-inch) soon. I would consider it as an advantage for LCD's if it does not require the break-in period.
thanks for the info, so how long does it take to break in?
guys anu mas ok na cable reception sa dream , plasma or lcd?in my experience, sa cable TV sa amin, pag LCD, nagpipixelized sa cable TV viewing. Sa Plasma hindi. ;)
in my experience, sa cable TV sa amin, pag LCD, nagpipixelized sa cable TV viewing. Sa Plasma hindi. ;)
Plasma for HTPC
@Panasonic 42PV70 / LG 32" Plasma TV owners
Sana meron ng magpost sa inyo ng macro shot pictures ng itsura ng texts at whole webpage sa Plasma display para macompare natin for HTPC use lalo na dun sa Plasma units na mababa ng native resolution.
Convinced ako na the best talaga ang Plasma for videos at SDTV cable viewing, pero curious talaga ako lalo na sa 32" LG Plasma na 852 x 480 lang ang native resolution at yung Panasonic 42PV70 na 1024 x 768 lang ang resolution vs. a regular LCDTV na 1360 x 768 for HTPC display. Same din ba desktop area or mas konti? Malinaw rin ba for HTPC lalo na sa texts yung Panasonic 42PV70 kahit hindi 1:1 pixel mapping/aspect ratio nya (1:1.33)?
(http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/4/5/26/f_AspectRatiom_6e0aa08.jpg)
Pixel Mapping Explained: http://pixelmapping.wikispaces.com/Pixel+mapping+explained (http://pixelmapping.wikispaces.com/Pixel+mapping+explained)
I hope somebody could explain for the benefit of others who are also interested on getting a Plasma for HTPC display.
Thanks in advance! =)
From the various posts I see here, more people recommend LCD TVs for those who will also use their TVs for gaming. Why is this so? What makes LCDs a better display for games? And can't plasmas do the same thing?Plasmas can do the same thing for gaming and more.
From the various posts I see here, more people recommend LCD TVs for those who will also use their TVs for gaming. Why is this so? What makes LCDs a better display for games? And can't plasmas do the same thing?
I have been playing 4:3 material (including cable TV) on my Hitachi Plasma. Just adjust the aspect ratio option, and you wont get the black bars on the sides. Again, with newer PLasma models, permanent burn-in is not an issue anymore.
Hello everyone.
I just joined this hub today hoping to get some answers regarding the never ending research about which is better of the two displays.
I plan to use this for movie viewing only in a medium lit room. I don't like the reflection/glare on plasma screens.
Should I then get an LCD?
I am looking into buying the 46C3000 but I also found a 50" Panasonic Plasma at Listening in Style...almost at the same price.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Hello everyone.
I just joined this hub today hoping to get some answers regarding the never ending research about which is better of the two displays.
I plan to use this for movie viewing only in a medium lit room. I don't like the reflection/glare on plasma screens.
Should I then get an LCD?
I am looking into buying the 46C3000 but I also found a 50" Panasonic Plasma at Listening in Style...almost at the same price.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Thanks to you all.
I currently use a projector and would normally watch movies in the evenings...tv in the bedroom...two 22" samsung lcds for my office at home. So i kind of have an idea on video quality. Though I am not that picky...yet.
With the rise of blue rays, I decided to go HD now and well, try out blue ray tech.
I will place the "display" in the same room where I have my projector. It will be what i would use when i do watch movies during the daytime. This is the original plan anyway.
This room has windows with thick curtains. At night, its not a problem at all. It's during daytime, when the light escapes thru the sides of the curtains that will most likely reflect on the plasma screen. Same problem i have with the TV in the bedroom.
But you know what...I think you guys make a lot of sense. Maybe i should just stick to watching movies at night and go for the plasma. Hehe.
I will probably get a little irritated on a few ocassions when I do watch during the daytime but it will be compensated by better video quality...
You guys agree? Or is there still hope for me to consider LCD? Plasma seems to be the choice here by almost everyone.
With the rise of blue rays, I decided to go HD now and well, try out blue ray tech.
I will place the "display" in the same room where I have my projector. It will be what i would use when i do watch movies during the daytime. This is the original plan anyway.
This room has windows with thick curtains. At night, its not a problem at all. It's during daytime, when the light escapes thru the sides of the curtains that will most likely reflect on the plasma screen. Same problem i have with the TV in the bedroom.
But you know what...I think you guys make a lot of sense. Maybe i should just stick to watching movies at night and go for the plasma. Hehe.
I will probably get a little irritated on a few ocassions when I do watch during the daytime but it will be compensated by better video quality...
You guys agree? Or is there still hope for me to consider LCD? Plasma seems to be the choice here by almost everyone.
Hitachi Ultra Thin LCD TV: Less than 1.5 inches thick.
Hitachi's 1.5 UltraThin LCD HDTVs now available in US
by Darren Murph, posted May 1st 2008 at 6:54PM
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/01/hitachis-1-5-ultrathin-lcd-hdtvs-now-available-in-us/
(http://mos.techradar.com//Review%20images/What%20Video/WHV%20334/WHV334.hit32.woo3-420-75.jpg)(http://mos.techradar.com//Review%20images/What%20Video/WHV%20334/WHV334.hit32.woo4-420-75.jpg)
Hitachi UT32MH40U review:
http://www.techradar.com/products/audio-visual/tvs-and-accessories/tvs/hitachi-ut32mh40u-368400/review
Ok. So what's a reasonably priced plasma available locally? 50"
I'm in this mode to switch to HD. Need plasma and bluray player.
50pv70 pana as nemesis suggested?
with standard definition plasma looks better but once we go full hd definitely the lcd will stand out lalo na if the lcd's resolution is full hd.
I agree but perhaps we should also involve the size plus the brands for a perfect comparison.
Sir, meron rin Full HD ang Plasma, not only in LCD.
Maybe thats the better comparison, FULL HD Plasma vs FULL HD LCD.
Sir, meron rin Full HD ang Plasma, not only in LCD.
Maybe thats the better comparison, FULL HD Plasma vs FULL HD LCD.
The results will not be surprising.
Samsung LCD 1080p with LED backlight vs. Pioneer plasma 1080p:
Best Plasma Ever vs. Best LCD Ever
(Verdict: Plasma Wins)
http://gizmodo.com/336498/best-plasma-ever-vs-best-lcd-ever-verdict-plasma-wins
From the Sound & Vision article:
Plasma vs. LCD: Round II
A Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma and a Samsung LED-driven LCD duke it out
in this extreme techno-battle of HDTVs.
By Rob Sabin • Photos by Tony Cordoza • February 2008
(http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/assets/image/2007/W51/12192007144528.jpg)
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/features/779/plasma-vs-lcd-round-ii.html
Thanks vtec3. I'm almost sold on getting a plasma. 99% ??? I'll take your word for it...tolerable ha? I guess that's true in a way. I've had my 36" tv in my bedroom, close to a window for years and I haven't moved it yet.
with standard definition plasma looks better but once we go full hd definitely the lcd will stand out lalo na if the lcd's resolution is full hd. Size is also an issue coz if you want to get 50" above then go for plasma 40" below its lcd though u'll still de disappointed w/ our local broadcastingsince analog pa so you still cant take full use of the full hd resolution of lcds nowadays.
Just curious, Would there be any issue for SD plasma IF our broadcasting signal is now digital?For me plasma really looks better is its size is 50" or more coz it doesnt pixelate even at enormous size and base on broadcasting, if the signal isnt full HD, plasma will be more beneficial. The lcd technology is still growing thus we really havent seen the best of it yet but definitely it has the potential to out class the plasma someday.
fyi. based on my seminar, ABSCBN would be planning to launch digital signal by 2010 <if walang mgging issue from ABS and NTC (Lopes and Govt na naman... ;D>
Ok. So plasma is indeed my choice now based on all your input...considering the fact that I am planning to get 50" up.Tnx sir i hope i'm of help so you may clearly decide on what to buy. Just take your time and observe what you see is the fairiest of them all. Your eyes will definitely seek for beauty so it must take the lead.
50pv70 is it. Unless there is something else out there under the same price range and PQ...something better, i'll get 50pv70.
Yan ang tamang shoot-out. Pinag compare ba naman ang SD na Plasma at Full HD LCD then made a conclusion out it.... ::)
Ok. So plasma is indeed my choice now based on all your input...considering the fact that I am planning to get 50" up.
50pv70 is it. Unless there is something else out there under the same price range and PQ...something better, i'll get 50pv70.
If the TV usage is around 8-10 hours / day during weekdays
and 10-15 hours/day during weekend,
Which TV do u prefer? LCD or Plasma?
kindly add a bit of justification.
Cheers,
Ivan
Plasma, using your unit for that long hours everyday with an lcd will strain your eyes, dont ask how i found out, better if you can try it yourself at a relative's/friends house.
When do you think HD broadcasts will be available here? That's a factor we will have to consider now talaga? Full HD will not really matter at this point unless HD broadcasts become available soon. And I mean, within the next year or two. With the constant upgrades in technology, you'll probably end up getting a newer display when HD channels become accessible here. Maybe.
So, if I just want to get a "nicer" video quality ( i know that "nicer" is very subjective ) because I'm switching to collecting blurays from this point going forward ( but still buy dvds because of the price difference )...plasma is still ideal? panasonic 50pv70 pa rin ang worth every peso?
thanks again for all your input.
That's interesting.
Akala ko pag nasanay ka na sa LCD, pangit ang plasma para sa yo.
FYI lang po.perhaps by 2012? i just hope it comes along sooner and hopefully at an affordable price too.
In the US there was a new law passed. Starting Feb 2009 television networks will stop broadcasting shows in analog and will now switch to digital. They are now advising everyone to either buy digital capable TV's or get a digital box for their analog TV's. THey show this infomercial in all stations there.
When kaya dito sa pinas?
sir nemesis ouch... naka kia ako :D it will also depend kung anong auto yun sir di sa brand sa model dapat. :D
Wala na sigurong pag-asa. Sa tingin ko, hanggang dun na lang talaga ang limit ng plasma technology --- good for movies, bad for text.
I just hope plasma these days have improved when it comes to text details when connected on pc. Ang sama kasi ng text texture sa plasma. I do both watching movies and graphic jobs on my display.
as said mga bro maski 42" pv70 lang basta marunong ka magtweak ng settings mapapaganda mo ang text output nyan ;D
pero mas malinaw parin ang lcdtv :D
hooked up an hp laptop to my 50pv70 via VGA, the fonts are very clear just like an lcd. maybe this is due to the panels true 720p (1 megapixel) native resolution.
below are the sample pics.
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sa 50pv70 using VGA at 800x600 resolution the font clarity is the same as my friend's sammy 40R71, no tweaking was done yet on the plasma. my viewing distance is around 4 meters and all the fonts are very clear. if using HDMI, it will probably be better. i think as long as it is a 1 meg plasma panel it should be at par with an lcd.
not necessarily 1 mp bro .. pwede naman basta adjusted ang DPI settings :D
i am just basing my comments from the feedback of nemesis that the 42pv70's font is not as clear as the 50pv70. also, noticed that lots of 42pv70 owners complained on the font clarity. i actually would want to see the fonts from a 42pv70. can you please post some pics from your plasma if it is possible?
i have not tweaked the font settings yet, it was only tested plug n play and the fonts were already very clear at 4.5 meter distance. will fiddle with the settings for comparison but as of now it doesn't need any adjustment.
i am just basing my comments from the feedback of nemesis that the 42pv70's font is not as clear as the 50pv70. also, noticed that lots of 42pv70 owners complained on the font clarity. i actually would want to see the fonts from a 42pv70. can you please post some pics from your plasma if it is possible?
i have not tweaked the font settings yet, it was only tested plug n play and the fonts were already very clear at 4.5 meter distance. will fiddle with the settings for comparison but as of now it doesn't need any adjustment.
sir, can I share something about the font/picture clarity, re: 42pv70 vs 50pv70?
42pv70 resolution for PC use = 1024 x 768 right? link: http://www.otest.co.uk/test-results/panasonic-th-42pv70-px70-115497.html (http://www.otest.co.uk/test-results/panasonic-th-42pv70-px70-115497.html)
50pv70 resolution for PC use = 1366 x 768 right? link: http://www.priceme.co.nz/Panasonic-TH50PV70-50-inch-widescreen-Plasma/p-Details-791313607.aspx (http://www.priceme.co.nz/Panasonic-TH50PV70-50-inch-widescreen-Plasma/p-Details-791313607.aspx)
both TVs have widescreen aspect ratio of 16:9 but:
42pv70 is using a full-screen-only resolution(1024 x 768 = 4:3 ratio) not widescreen, when used as PC display
50pv70 is using the correct wide screen resolution (1366 x 768 = 16:9 ratio), when used as PC display
This may explain why the clarity of fonts(and even pictures) in most 42" wide screen TVs (not only Panasonic) are not as clear as 50" widescreen TVs for PC use.
So I think it is just wise that if one of the goal is to use the TV in an HTPC setup, one must look for a TV that supports widescreen resolution supported by your PC(or specifically your video card).
:)
42pv70 should still be widescreen when used as pc display since it uses rectangular pixels unlike the 50pv70 where the pixels are square.1024 x 768 is not a widescreen resolution because the screen ratio is only 4:3. Whether it uses square/rectangular pixels, the images/text will appear stretched.
1024 x 768 is not a widescreen resolution because the screen ratio is only 4:3. Whether it uses square/rectangular pixels, the images/text will appear stretched.
Hindi naman ibig sabihin pangit yung plasma sa pc.
Ang tagal na pinag usapan dito yan bro, meron pros and cons ang plasma and lcd. (go to lcd / plasma board)
LCD 1 meg 1366. > w/is good for pc
32 lg plasma wala pang 1 meg 852 lang ang resolution. > not define yung text content
Go for lcd kung gusto mo mga pc use, or bring your htpc and install it to any plasma or lcd sa shop, 42pv8/42pv80/samsung 42a450/ pioneer kuro/lg plasma. kung alin yung pumasa sa mata mo then thats you tv sir.
Yan ang ginawa ni mark aka lanchawbin of tipdpc, di pumasa yung kuro 428xg dahil wala pang 1 meg yung tv. Ask nemesisDelta7 sa tipidpc, daming alam diyan yan. ;)
Kung PC ang pinag usapan the minimum is 1 meg.
all lcds are > 1 meg.
so dapat dito mo i-compare 50 inch plasma > 1 meg kuro 508xg, samsung 50a550 (2meg), pana 50pv70, LG50pg60, etc.
ang tanong dian eh, pano kung puro dark scene ang game mo what then? kaya better try the unit and see it for yourself.
dapat yata sa lcd/plasma itong thread eh.
its a given fact that the new LCDs now have improved a lot esp on dynamic contrast e.g Samsung series 6. Don't you guys think maybe LCD have already address the black issue therefore there's not much noticeable difference bet Plasma and LCD now regarding PQ esp the deeper black issue?
its a given fact that the new LCDs now have improved a lot esp on dynamic contrast e.g Samsung series 6. Don't you guys think maybe LCD have already address the black issue therefore there's not much noticeable difference bet Plasma and LCD now regarding PQ esp the deeper black issue?
another question lang po sa mga Plasma advocates: with the newer technology of LCD and the declining sales of Plasma compared to Lcd leading to several manufacturers giving up on Plasma production,the latest of which is Pioneer which will not manufacture parts anymore but just be outsourcing it from Panasonic, have you guys ever thought: "What would happen to after sales service, esp parts if no one ever manufacture Plasma anymore or in other words, Plasma tv was phased out?"
If that would be the case, wouldn't it be more practical to buy LCD instead of Plasma?
Good day mga sirs! I was decided on buying an LCD before but after reading posts in this website and talking to Sir Jeff and Vic, i'm more inclined now to Plasma.
I was already decided to buy the Toshiba 37C3500 because of its good picture quality when I auditioned it in one of the big appliance stores, and the very low discounted price of the sellers here ... when I was about to purchase the unit, I was able to compare it side-by-side with Panasonic 42PV8 along with the other LCD's (samsung 5-series, hitachi, etc.) ... right there i decided to get the PV8 - NO CONTEST on picture quality kahit sa mga full hd na lcd on display... yun nga lang i have to shelve additional cash ...eto walang pera ngayon >:(
Two weeks ago, I was ready for the 50pv70 ( the main choice since i will only use it for movie viewing and now willing to sacrifice some reflection in a semi lit room )
After going thru the different excellent points you guys posted on this thread ( a compliment to you all ), I decided to revisit the decision making end of it all.
So, I compared the 50pv70, 46w300 and toshiba's 46X3500 today at S&S.
I found the PQ of the 46w300 better than the two.
Is this a fair comparison? ( 50pv70 plasma and 46w300 LCD ) There is a reasonable difference in price too.
I read up on Bravias a little and got concerned about talk regarding dead pixels...
I am just starting to go HD. At this point, all I have are my collection of dvds using an old Toshiba SD-K350.
I know this probably belongs to a separate thread but I would appreciate some input...once i get either the 50pv70 or the 46w300, how do i get the best pic out of my dvd's....do i just buy and use a blu ray disc player and use it for dvds? that is, while i begin to collect blu ray discs? any suggestions?
I found the PQ of the 46w300 better than the two.
Is this a fair comparison? ( 50pv70 plasma and 46w300 LCD ) There is a reasonable difference in price too.
I read up on Bravias a little and got concerned about talk regarding dead pixels...
Now, im back on this thread again confirming if I made the right choice.
Subjective din minsan yung video quality. What may look good to others may not look good to you.
Thanks again to all who helped me make a decision.
Purchased my 46w300 today at S&S.
Next project...blu ray player so i can view my dvds a little better...will save up first. Hehe.
Next project...blu ray player so i can view my dvds a little better...will save up first. Hehe.
Thanks again to all who helped me make a decision.
Purchased my 46w300 today at S&S.
I agree with Sir Barrister. After comparing the 50pv70 and the 46w300, plasma seems to produce more film-like quality. At 720p, I'm sure i would have been happy with it too.
However, as far as my application, where the panel will be positioned in a semi-bright room ( during daytime where windows in the far corner beam light ), I know I'm happier with less reflection on screen. I'll just continue to use the projector for evening movies.
Mga bros, salamat ulit!
Next project...blu ray player so i can view my dvds a little better...will save up first. Hehe.
Congrats!
Now that you have an LCD, you will probably need a Blu-ray player. That's because LCD is less forgiving than plasma when displaying standard DVD sources.
With standard DVD discs, LCD will look much worse than plasma.
But with Blu-ray discs, LCD will perform very well and will look very close to plasma.
Oo nga. When i tried the LCD last night, I knew that the Blu Ray player will have to come sooner than I planned.
Ask ko nga Sir Vic, maybe he can give me a good installment or lay-away plan on a player.
So far, no remorse tho on getting the Bravia...
I just don't know how long I'll last viewing my dvds at 480i.
how come? is 480i that bad in an lcd screen?
Yup yup Yup! ;)
lcd is meant for 720 source, sa abroad almost all source are hd.
how come? is 480i that bad in an lcd screen?
Well, I know it'll bug me until i get a blu ray player or upscaling dvd player soon.
Yup. Not good quality on LCD using my old Toshiba dvd player at 480i.
The picture shows up..that's about the best comment I can give you. ;)
At least, the reflection is no longer an issue when i watch movies during daytime.
I found out a few months ago that my kids have trained eyes in flat panels, they complained of brightness and eye sore when watching cartoons so they watch tv on my bedroom. Kaya ko pinalitan yung hitachi lcd nila and replaced it w/a 32 plasma. Now they are happy w/thier unit, 4mos na so far so good no complains from them. :D
this was my concern before because my tv is situated across a big window. curtain lang ang katapat nito. my old 29" crt tv has also a reflective screen so nothing new to me ang plasma panel reflection. anyway, one thing keeps me happy is the pic quality i enjoyed everyday when watching tv broadcast and sdvd. my friends too keep asking why the picture is pleasant to watch compared to their LCD's ;D
this is not an issue with the new PV8 and PV80 panels ...this was also my concern, hence i held off purchasing the pv70 ... not a problem at all with the pv8 that i bought
You have a very open mind. I admire that in a person.
LCDs Sell on Misinformation
by Tom Andry — last modified July 22, 2008 16:23
that's also very true here in the philippines, before i got my panny from vic, i've asked/looked around sa mga av chain stores, and ang common statement nila " sir wag kayo magplasma, lumang technology na yan, lCD na ang bago". That also applies for my tita who just got a Sammy LCD, she's in sanfo, when she learned that I got a plasma instead of LCD, sabi nya " lahat ng tao dito sa US LCD na, bakit ka nag plasma?"
Some salespeople still think flat-panel LCDs beat plasmas?
Posted by Matthew Panton
July 22, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
In a time when CNET's two top-rated HDTVs of the year are Panasonic's TH-50PZ800U and Pioneer's PDP-5020FD, we have to wonder why a salesperson would recommend flat-panel LCD HDTVs at the rate that J.D. Power and Associates claims in a recent report.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9996541-1.html
Reading further down my concern with plasma still appears to be true. They consume much more energy than LCD and generate more heat too. So if you have an enclosed room you'd spend more electricity to run your HDTV and need more energy to run your air-con higher as well.
That honestly makes no sense these days despite the aesthetic allure of plasmas. Given the 60,000 hr lifespan of plasma and LCD you'd spend almost 25% more on running cost for your plasma than an LCD. This doesn't consider the added energy needed to cool down a plasma-lit room.
Exactly my concern which is why 'm having second thoughts on plasma. Sa mga sirs, significant po ba yun heat produced by plasma and how's your electric bill after getting plasma?
Despite all of that.....I still prefer PLasma.
You can determine the cost of choosing PLasma over LCD......
but in my end..and in my opinion...the fact that I know I have the better PQ in my panel. Thats priceless. ;)
I 2nd to this! Quality over quantity. If your a video fanatic you'll go for plasma ;)There are pdvd gurus here that can justify that plasma's PQ is still better than LCD's. ( comparing apples to apples ) IMHO, they've earned their right to make such comments judging by their own set-ups and gears...most of whom are really finicky about the PQ of movies or film. I'm almost positive that they did their home work already before making this conclusion. More so, i'm sure that their eyes are more calibrated than mine. ;D
how about the electricity consumption of plasma vs lcd? in a month kasi my electric bill is 3.5k and my current tv is only a 21" crt. if i choose a 42" plasma gaano kaya kalaki ang bill ko?abot kaya ng 5k? ???
Yup bro, I agree. Its all about preference. Thats why it is important to always include the words "in my end" or "in my opinion' to my posts. ;)
Probably tataas ang bill mo, just by the fact that from 21" to 42" kahit sa CRT tataas na yan. I don't think tataas ang electric bill mo by almost 50% if you upgrade to a flat panel. I did not notice any significant increase in my electric bill naman ;D
Parang ganito yan "Friend tells me bro sobra taas na ng gasolina na, na enjoy mo pa ba ang kotse mo" my reply is I started to stop worrying about gasoline prices since I have no control over it anyways. What I did now is to enjoy my car more. Reason if I do not enjoy my car and worry more about rising gasoline prices then double wammy yun. Better to enjoy one than enjoy nothing at all ;)
Last night, i watched "house of the flying daggers" BD and there were moments when I was not too happy with the LCD's performance.
Maybe it's the disc's fault. Flying Daggers is a good demo for sound, but one of the worst demos for picture.Will try barrister. I'm just starting to collect BDs. blu pill = 2 >:( >:( >:(
Try Ratatouille or Pirates of the Caribbean 3.
thanks sir!btw how much ung tinaas ng bill mo when you got your plasma?and ano po ung tv nyo before buying the plasma? :)
wow! many thanks for the many inputs! kung around 500 pesos lang naman ang increase sa electrical bill then ok na yun.
one question though: our future HDTV would be placed in a wall bet windows in the right and left side and the room is bright during daytime. The CRT placed there right now had reflections in the screen. Is it still advisable to have plasma given the location? hindi po kaya magkaroon din ng reflection just like in the CRT?
wow! many thanks for the many inputs! kung around 500 pesos lang naman ang increase sa electrical bill then ok na yun.
one question though: our future HDTV would be placed in a wall bet windows in the right and left side and the room is bright during daytime. The CRT placed there right now had reflections in the screen. Is it still advisable to have plasma given the location? hindi po kaya magkaroon din ng reflection just like in the CRT?
wow! many thanks for the many inputs! kung around 500 pesos lang naman ang increase sa electrical bill then ok na yun.
one question though: our future HDTV would be placed in a wall bet windows in the right and left side and the room is bright during daytime. The CRT placed there right now had reflections in the screen. Is it still advisable to have plasma given the location? hindi po kaya magkaroon din ng reflection just like in the CRT?
wow! many thanks for the many inputs! kung around 500 pesos lang naman ang increase sa electrical bill then ok na yun.
one question though: our future HDTV would be placed in a wall bet windows in the right and left side and the room is bright during daytime. The CRT placed there right now had reflections in the screen. Is it still advisable to have plasma given the location? hindi po kaya magkaroon din ng reflection just like in the CRT?
i did not notice a significant electric bill increase when i upgraded to a 50" plasma. pero kung meron man siguro tumaas dahil you are using the tv more than your previous set, kasi bago ;D and also use the aircon at the same time.
sa reflection naman, my room has a big wide window opposite to where the plasma is and this was my dilemma before. sinunod ko lang ang suggestions ng mga gurus dito to cover the windows with curtain and off i go. meron talagang reflections from at a certain angles in my setup but nasanay narin ako dahil nung crt pa gamit ko may reflections din naman. but masaya ako dahil sa size, pic quality and price ng plasma compared kung same size lcd ang binili ko.
check my setup (link below) where you'll notice how big is my window, it's the whole part covered by the curtain.
my setup (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=76920.0)
Assuming P500 times 12 months would come out as P6,000.00. This is assuming you Meralco keeps a constant power rate. Now multiply it by a conservative 5 years. It then becomes P30,000. Let's double that to 10 years and it becomes P60,000.
Other than the power bill also consider the carbon emission that was the result of the power generation. A lot here I assume are very with the trend of environmental conservation and yet...
Then again if you have money for a 50-incher or above then what's P60,000 over ten years? You may as well all switch to incandescent light bulbs because they output prettier light than ugly florescent lamps and compact florescent light bulbs.
wow! many thanks for the many inputs! kung around 500 pesos lang naman ang increase sa electrical bill then ok na yun.
one question though: our future HDTV would be placed in a wall bet windows in the right and left side and the room is bright during daytime. The CRT placed there right now had reflections in the screen. Is it still advisable to have plasma given the location? hindi po kaya magkaroon din ng reflection just like in the CRT?
thanks for the suggestion. But the bedroom windows had blinds and mainit po pag naka-close ang blinds kung hindi on ang aircon. wish i had a dedicated HT room :(
Bro, siguro figure out what's most important to you first?
Is it...
1) better PQ
2) the reflection on the screen
3) consumption ng electricity/heat dissipation
4) etc.
If it's PQ...I'm not saying that LCD's PQ is terrible...I'm new at going hi-def but IMO it's not like LCD is such a curse in watching movies ( I'm an LCD owner and happy naman with it; yet to own a plasma )...but most people ( including myself ) here seem to agree that plasma's PQ is better in some ways. Just audition your 2-3 choices and take your time. Most everyone will agree that in the end, your eyes will be the best judge. If you do that, chances are, you won't regret it.
Before my LCDTV, I was using a projector which limited my best possible time to view my movies during evenings since the room has two windows. I mean this is just an extra room with my epuipment...hardly a HT. So i had thick curtains which I endlessly tied and untied during daytime when I feel like watching...Got tired of it and I ended up with the LCD.
Regarding electrical consumption, just like gas...try to save as often as you can. Regardless of what you end up with, the aircon will consume the most electricity. ;D
hehe that's also what my technician friend said. he also said:"kung kaya mo mag aircon then why worry abt the electrical consumption of plasma" ;D
One more thing...about the reflection on the screen, the more you are conscious about it, the more often you'll find it. Did you ever notice?
Most people who ignore the reflection, don't ever really notice it. ;D ;D ;D
One more thing...about the reflection on the screen, the more you are conscious about it, the more often you'll find it. Did you ever notice?
Most people who ignore the reflection, don't ever really notice it. ;D ;D ;D
very true ;)
i just have to agree with this.. ;D ;DI think plasma's PQ makes up for it really. Just like me when I first got my 36" TV ( now Jurassic ), all the reflection off it's screen seem non-existent when i watch a great movie or cable during mid day.
i think it was yesterday, while waiting for my buddy to pick me up for our basketball game ... it was around 6am and our game was around 4pm .. i didnt want to sleep cause i might not be able to wake up on time .. anyway, so the sun was on the otherside of my apartment, which is good cause reflection was close to none .. (reflective light usually starts around 10am-12nn) .. so it was around 3pm when i noticed (after a few HD movie viewing and few hours of cable tv viewing) that i was watching and enjoying my plasma on the time that i was not supposed to .. :D
I think plasma's PQ makes up for it really. Just like me when I first got my 36" TV ( now Jurassic ), all the reflection off it's screen seem non-existent when i watch a great movie or cable during mid day.
So I will continue to enjoy my LCDTV and also look forward to a plasma. It just makes it more exciting. Maybe by that time, more affordable na ang Kuro or something. ;D
I think plasma's PQ makes up for it really. Just like me when I first got my 36" TV ( now Jurassic ), all the reflection off it's screen seem non-existent when i watch a great movie or cable during mid day.
So I will continue to enjoy my LCDTV and also look forward to a plasma. It just makes it more exciting. Maybe by that time, more affordable na ang Kuro or something. ;D
pini-phase out na ang plasma dahil mahal ang production cost nito ;)
pini-phase out na ang plasma dahil mahal ang production cost nito ;)
That's what I'm afraid of. Pano na parts kung phase out na...Pls paste your reference
why wala yun PV8 sa article? Instead PV70 and nandun. hindi ba mas latest ang PV8
pini-phase out na ang plasma dahil mahal ang production cost nito ;)
@mouldingo:
san nyo po nakuha yun movie TDK shown in your 50PY800 whch you posted in the other thread?
Please don't make a declaration without any proof... :P :P :P
pini-phase out na ang plasma dahil mahal ang production cost nito ;)
pini-phase out na ang plasma dahil mahal ang production cost nito ;)
| Supplier Q1’08 Share Q2’08 Share Y/Y Growth |
| Matsus**ta 29.4% 36.8% 23% |
| Samsung SDI 31.8% 31.0% 49% |
| LGE 29.5% 24.0% 38% |
| Hitachi 4.6% 4.8% -22% |
| Pioneer 4.6% 3.3% -8% |
| Orion 0.1% 0.1% 24% |
pini-phase out na ang plasma dahil mahal ang production cost nito ;)
pini-phase out na ang plasma dahil mahal ang production cost nito ;)
Saw the 50" 1080p Pioneer KURO with "Dark Knight" bluray preview at Shangrila yesterday. All I can say is :o :o :o :o :o Never seen anything like it. Dissapointing lang ang price for that size. :( :(
You sould have seen the 50PY800. ;)
Dante parang SARS ulit ito ah :D Have seen the PY at work ay naku if only may pambili ako ;D
Plasma pa rin ;)
I remember that you thought long and hard about several LCD models, then eventually ended up with a plasma, tama ba?
Yup and good thing I ended up buying a Plasma ;) Thanks too sa mga inputs that i got from your post. Very very helpful and very very informative!marami na atang naimpluwensyahan yan si barrister eh .. ;D
plasma kase ive noticed sandali lang life span nun kesa sa lcd however mas ok talaga ang plasma when it comes to pq basta iwas glare or sinag araw / ilaw
Plasma TV life span expectancy has long been a hot topic and rightly so. Most early plasma monitor models from 1999 and early 2000 have already been delivered to the electronics graveyard. Manufacturers were doing well to deliver a plasma product that fired up. An early adaptor could purchase a plasma TV that was 6" in depth, was hot enough to fry an egg on, and had fans that sounded like it was going to take off and fly through the roof - all for a modest $10,000.
However, improvements in the longevity of plasma TVs and displays have been rapidly effective. The green phosphors are claimed by some manufacturers as the reason behind the incredible increase. Lower power usage and motion adaptive anti burn-in technology are also contributors.
In fact, many plasma manufacturers boast a life span of 60,000 hours to half life! This is a longer life than a tube based television. The specification is somewhat suspect since the process of determining longevity of the product is based on deductive mathematical calculation of phosphor dissipation, and does not take into account the electronic components and the myriad of problems that can occur. Panasonic was the first to claim the 60,000 hour life span, up from a previous 30,000 just a year prior.
Within months after Panasonic announced this new life span, other manufacturers jumped on the bandwagon announcing that their plasma television is now rated to 60,000.
For consumer use these numbers should be comforting. Plasma Displays are now about equivalent in longevity to LCDs, which typically state 60,000 hours. Consider that these figures are a great amount more than old CRTs, which regularly post life span to half brightness at 25,000 hours. Let's put these hours in perspective. The average U.S. household watches 4 to 6 hours of television per day. Taking a mean time manufacturer stated longevity of 50,000 hours of usage, times our average 5 hours per day, calculates to over 27 years of usage.
plasma kase ive noticed sandali lang life span nun kesa sa lcd however mas ok talaga ang plasma when it comes to pq basta iwas glare or sinag araw / ilaw
Plasma now 2008 100,000 hours
LCD 60,000 hours.
Saw the 50" 1080p Pioneer KURO with "Dark Knight" bluray preview at Shangrila yesterday. All I can say is :o :o :o :o :o Never seen anything like it. Dissapointing lang ang price for that size. :( :(
Marketing strategy really can make or break a product. customers are very much influenced by salesmen and sadly, most salesmen pushed lcd over plasma due to ignorance. In provinces especially, plasma tvs are almost unknown even to educated professionals :(well thats the sad reality bro .. :(
my friends who owned lcd tvs laughed and advise me not to get a plasma coz "laos na daw"
sour-graping maybe because they can't afford Plasma TV.. ;) ;) ;) For me a dedicated HT will never be complete if you don't have a Plasma TV in it.. But then again it is really your own preference and will depend on many factors foremost of which is your financial capability..
sorry but I beg to disagree that they can't afford a plasma coz plasma tvs are cheaper compared to lcd. I think it all boils down to marketing strategy and lack of adequate info dissemnation that's why plasma suffers in sales compared to lcd
Wait Im confused,di ba mas mahal ang plasma technology kaysa LCD?afaik, larger displays mas mahal ang lcdtv ..
Wait Im confused,di ba mas mahal ang plasma technology kaysa LCD?
And what most of LCD users think, is that Plasma is cheaper, just like the rear projection TV, because it is outgoing technology.
Fortunately we have this thread to show that it is not true. ;D ;D ;D
I clearly saw burn-in on a plasma TV first hand (Hitachi) despite the claims that it had anti-burn-in features.i dont have this issue on my plasma panel. i'm enjoying my panel just like as using an ordinary tv w/o any worries. ;) todays generation of plasma have already addressed that issue. i can speak for pioneer because its what i have. :)
...its what the buyer believes at the end of the day.true..no one can tell what will satisfiy you..only you :)
i dont have this issue on my plasma panel. i'm enjoying my panel just like as using an ordinary tv w/o any worries. ;) todays generation of plasma have already addressed that issue. i can speak for pioneer because its what i have. :)
true..no one can tell what will satisfiy you..only you :)
Buti na lang I requested an A/B comparison test before I was to buy...
Laking sisi sana ako. ;)
perfectly said sir. these are the factors why i chose Plasma. iba-iba ang grade ng blacks..kurong-kuro ;D
These are the factors why I would choose Plasma TV:
1. Almost perfect PQ
2. Almost perfect black
3. Long half-life (for the recent models of Plasma, ~ 35 years with a conservative 12 hours daily viewing)
Daming plasma lovers talaga! :Dkasama ka dun eh .. :D
Compare din natin sa PJ.
Plasma vs. LCD vs. Projector ;D
Picture Tube din ... :D
Compare din natin sa PJ.
Plasma vs. LCD vs. Projector ;D
No contest... winner is Projector.... SIZE MATTERS ;D
I still haven't seen a PJ up close,...
is it really that impressive guys...?
did I just experience image burn? I forgot to turn off my plasma last night while watching HBO and I fell asleep. When I woke up, that's about 3 hours and swicthed to a blank screen, I noticed that the logo of HBO was there. How can I get rid of it, I'm afraid that it's already stucked there.does it have a white wash option or image inverter, you might wanna try that for a minute .. then checkout the display afterwards
Im using Panasonic Pv8 by the way.
No contest... winner is Projector.... SIZE MATTERS ;D
i agree, specially if its a 1080p pj.bring on the big guns!!
I still haven't seen a PJ up close,...
is it really that impressive guys...?
When you watch on a 120-inch screen... YES!!!! ;D
Imagine, a 60" TV is just 1/4 of the screen area of a 120-inch.
did I just experience image burn? I forgot to turn off my plasma last night while watching HBO and I fell asleep. When I woke up, that's about 3 hours and swicthed to a blank screen, I noticed that the logo of HBO was there. How can I get rid of it, I'm afraid that it's already stucked there.
Im using Panasonic Pv8 by the way.
did I just experience image burn? I forgot to turn off my plasma last night while watching HBO and I fell asleep. When I woke up, that's about 3 hours and swicthed to a blank screen, I noticed that the logo of HBO was there. How can I get rid of it, I'm afraid that it's already stucked there.
Im using Panasonic Pv8 by the way.
No contest... winner is Projector.... SIZE MATTERS ;D
did I just experience image burn? I forgot to turn off my plasma last night while watching HBO and I fell asleep. When I woke up, that's about 3 hours and swicthed to a blank screen, I noticed that the logo of HBO was there. How can I get rid of it, I'm afraid that it's already stucked there.
Im using Panasonic Pv8 by the way.
If not considering the size, would projectors display better picture quality, deep black and excellent details as compared to a plasma at the same price point (e.g. P100T Plasma vs. P100T projector)? Correct me if I'm wrong, I had the impression that of the three technologies, plasma offers the best picture quality, LCD offers the best all-around HDTV and projector offers the best value in terms of price vs. size. ???
Nowadays, the front projector can display awesome picture with details and good level of black contrast. It delivers a better dramatic impact than the plasma TV because of the size it can project. With a dark room, the projector can display better picture than plasma in detail, deep black, and natural color. However, when choosing a projector, you need to evaluate the picture before you buy. Some projectors that claim high contrast ratio may not deliver good deep black at all in actual. Another aspect to consider is to evaluate the skin tone. A good projector should deliver good skin tone and deep black contrast.
IR...Burn-in...what's the difference? It's both a nuissance to Plasma.
So is "IR" more common in Plasma than LCD?
http://dvice.com/archives/2008/05/shift_image_ret.php
This makes me now think that the Plasma market just invented
the name "Image Retention" simply to replace the same
thing which we "simple folk" call "BURN-IN" - whether it is permanent or temporary.
How long is "temporary"? ???
http://www.plasmasaver.com/burnin.html
Good thing we all have this thread to know that it isn't a thing of the past afterall. ;)
"While burn in isn't a problem anymore, your plasma TV will be prone to image retention.
if they knew how high-maintenance plasmas can be, might decide to sacrifice a little image quality so they never have to worry about how long they display news scrolls and channel icons.
If you think you might lose sleep over this, you'll be better off with an LCD." It's a mouthful, but it's the truth.
Did you know that if you buy a plasma TV, you're supposed to spend the first 100 to 200 hours "breaking it in" like an uncomfortable pair of shoes? During this period, (around two months if you watch three hours every day), experts advise you to turn down the contrast ratio to less than 50%, turn the sidebars to gray if you're watching material with a 4:3 ratio, watch movies on zoom, and limit your gaming.
Glad we cleared that up :P Talk about inconvenience...as a "simple" buyer, all I want to do is watch and not have to worry about problems like IR, break-in, burn-in of a Plasma TV. Sure it has the best PQ...but PQ isn't everything ::)
Dead pixels are looking a whole lot preferrable for LCD now :)
For LCD dead pixel repair:
http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/04/lcd-dead-pixels-test-check-and-repair.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjTX4XAoqK8
It still boils down to the buyer's criteria.
- In my case even if Plasma can give the greatest PQ on earth...but if I watch only cable, AVIs, f*ke DVDs... one doesn't really need all that PQ.
I'd rather not worry and get an LCD. ;D And once again, I have a hard time trying to find anything wrong with the PQ of an LCD, specially after callibration. All I can say is WOW ;D ;D
and no worries even when watching 4:3 for loooong periods on a 16:9 screen
...and that good people is called "research". ;D
Daming galit kasi sa plasma eh, ang ganda kasi ng kulay! hahaha.. :D
I will still go for Plasma.. If you're too worried about IR or BI, then go for the other technologies.. No one is stopping you.. ;D ;D ;D
Daming galit kasi sa plasma eh, ang ganda kasi ng kulay! hahaha.. :D
Wala pa eye strain!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ang tagal ko nag "research" tungkol sa LCD (coz I was deadset to get one) wala pala kwenta nung nakita ko side by side audition ng Plasma vs LCD.
Again...to each his own. ;D ;D ;D
i'm sure sir galit ka sa LCD dahil nag "research" ka :D ;D :D true, kanya kanya yan basta mag "research" lng ;)
talagang ganyan ata sir pag galit....madaming "research" na nagagawa..hahaha :D plasma pa rin! ;)hahahaha! :D
Plasma owners, please post!
Kawawa naman ang mga plasma fanboys, walang makausap! ;D
It still boils down to the buyer's criteria.
Mas mura na ba sir ang LCD ngayon vs plasma?
I'm referring to equivalent screen sizes, of course.
If not considering the size, would projectors display better picture quality, deep black and excellent details as compared to a plasma at the same price point (e.g. P100T Plasma vs. P100T projector)? Correct me if I'm wrong, I had the impression that of the three technologies, plasma offers the best picture quality, LCD offers the best all-around HDTV and projector offers the best value in terms of price vs. size. ???
Daming galit kasi sa plasma eh, ang ganda kasi ng kulay! hahaha..
2006 pa yung review. ;)
Ang tagal ko nag "research" tungkol sa LCD (coz I was deadset to get one). Wala pala kwenta yung "research" nung nakita ko side by side audition ng Plasma vs LCD. No doubt in my choice. ;D ;D ;D
anyway mura naman ng lcd now eh, parang laptop lang ang price. ;D
quantity over quality ;)
Curious, were either TVs calibrated properly for PQ?
It's quite common for TVs in the shops to be totally uncalibrated, sales people don't even know
what they're selling. -- but you would know that right?
Therefore the comparison you made would be incomplete. ???
Just enjoy what you have for now. Before the plasma burn-in, there is already the itch to upgrade. ;D ;D ;D
Nothing beats the PJ for the closest experience of movie theater watching. Size matters....
So?
Does that mean the review isn't true anymore? Your logic doesn't seem to follow.
That there is no more Burn-in or IR just because it was written 2006?
The member's Panasonic PV8 isn't a 2006 model right? or is it?
Address the arguments ;D
not the emotions ;D ;D
;)
btw arent we renaming this thread to Plasma vs LCD vs PJ
I think we stay with Plasma vs LCD. Front Projectors are of different breed kumbaga, and cant be truly compared with Flat Panels.
I own a front PJ and a Plasma. For sheer Wow factor, nothing beats out a front PJ.
Here are some screenshots from my projectors: Panny ae900, Pannyax200 and Panny ae2000.
SCREENSHOTS (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=43011.msg502800#msg502800)
Saan kaba nakita na meron burn in na panasonic plasma? Do you own one? Did you base your review on others review too? article or base on actual research?
Burn in means di na natatangal yung image. Meron ba sa mga new models na kita mo? You mean your reffering to all plasma, like pioneer, panasonic, samsung etc?
did I just experience image burn? I forgot to turn off my plasma last night while watching HBO and I fell asleep. When I woke up, that's about 3 hours and swicthed to a blank screen, I noticed that the logo of HBO was there. How can I get rid of it, I'm afraid that it's already stucked there.
Im using Panasonic Pv8 by the way.
I will still go for Plasma.. If you're too worried about IR or BI, then go for the other technologies.. No one is stopping you.. ;D ;D ;D
did I just experience image burn? I forgot to turn off my plasma last night while watching HBO and I fell asleep. When I woke up, that's about 3 hours and swicthed to a blank screen, I noticed that the logo of HBO was there. How can I get rid of it, I'm afraid that it's already stucked there.
Im using Panasonic Pv8 by the way.
I just watched 2 fulll screen dvd movies and the IR or IB whatever you call it is gone ;D. I think image burn is really not an issue anymore, and what I experienced was a simple image retention (can't get away if you have a plasma tv).
To answer the question of the co member above; I'm still very happy with my plasma tv, but he's right I'll be more cautious to make sure that it won't lead to IB.
Thanks to all who posted!
did I just experience image burn? I forgot to turn off my plasma last night while watching HBO and I fell asleep. When I woke up, that's about 3 hours and swicthed to a blank screen, I noticed that the logo of HBO was there. How can I get rid of it, I'm afraid that it's already stucked there.
Im using Panasonic Pv8 by the way.
The recent poster mentioned he has a Panasonic PV8...that looks like "HBO" burned-in to his Plasma. Is that a NEW model or an old 2006 model?
You guys (the Plasma owners) are quick to conclude that it is definitely IR even though you haven't seen his Panasonic PV8... ::)
So from a "simple" buyers' perspective...what's the difference? I don't see it?
It looks like another term for the same thing.
From what you and everyone who is happy with their Plasma...are saying temporary Image Retention is not burn-in ==> So how long is temporary? ??? Is temporary a month? two months? One year? 2 years? Because if it takes one month for it to go away because it is "temporary", is that 31x24=744 hrs of continuous watching? ???
Which in daily life might mean 744 days if I watch only an hour a day.
It is starting to look to me that temporary and permanent isn't so different - if it takes that long.
I don't think the poster who owns the Plasma Panasonic PV8 is very happy right now, considering
it only took three hours to get an HBO mark on his screen.
Even if it goes away, he'll likely be quite careful from now on...and worry about it happening again.
I just watched 2 fulll screen dvd movies and the IR or IB whatever you call it is gone ;D. I think image burn is really not an issue anymore, and what I experienced was a simple image retention (can't get away if you have a plasma tv).
To answer the question of the co member above; I'm still very happy with my plasma tv, but he's right I'll be more cautious to make sure that it won't lead to IB.
Thanks to all who posted!
I just watched 2 fulll screen dvd movies and the IR or IB whatever you call it is gone ;D. I think image burn is really not an issue anymore, and what I experienced was a simple image retention (can't get away if you have a plasma tv).
To answer the question of the co member above; I'm still very happy with my plasma tv, but he's right I'll be more cautious to make sure that it won't lead to IB.
Thanks to all who posted!
I got my 46" Bravia LCD and happy that I was able to address the reflection issue ( for daytime viewing ). However, I am not happy with the motion blur I get from time to time. Last movie I watched was Ocean's Thirteen SD played back on BD30. There was a segment where the cam panned slowly, showing the faces of the characters towards the end. Whoa! I got a headache. >:(
I got my 46" Bravia LCD and happy that I was able to address the reflection issue ( for daytime viewing ). However, I am not happy with the motion blur I get from time to time. Last movie I watched was Ocean's Thirteen SD played back on BD30. There was a segment where the cam panned slowly, showing the faces of the characters towards the end. Whoa! I got a headache. >:(
I'd try playing the same source on a PC, an see if you get the same slow-panning.
This is what I'm afraid of coz my kids watch cartoon network a lot and cartoon network also had a logo on the channel. In fact, most cable channels had logos so if BI is still a problem with plasma, then the screen will be full of channel logos!
So, ano na ba talaga ang totoo? Is BI still an issue with plasma ???
Would you know off hand if Sony 46w300 and the BD30 would allow for enabling 1:1 framerate without pulldown?
If I remember correctly, my flat panel displayed 24p when I watched a movie one time.
I don't know if that means both the player and the TV are 24p or if that means that the TV is 24p capable.
I believe that the 46w300 has 24p and Motionflow. Will review the manuals. :)
I don't know if that means both the player and the TV are 24p or if that means that the TV is 24p capable.
I believe that the 46w300 has 24p and Motionflow. Will review the manuals. :)
I was hoping that plasma would be immune to this judder. At any rate, I'm still dreaming of having one (plasma) later.
I tried googling for you, and my google hits say that the Pana DMP-BD30EG-K is 1080/24p capable, but I didn't get any hits about 24p capability on the 46w300.
I haven't tried 24p. I just enjoy reading about home video tech and keeping myself up to date.
But as far as I've read, you start with a disc encoded in 24p, play it back on a 24p capable player, and view it on a 24p capable display.
If you want to demo both judder and green phosphor lag on a plasma, bring along an I, Robot DVD with you when you go to a TV store and play this clip: Chap. 10, Time: 25:35 to 25:57. Look at the robots.
If you want to demo both judder and green phosphor lag on a plasma, bring along an I, Robot DVD with you when you go to a TV store and play this clip: Chap. 10, Time: 25:35 to 25:57. Look at the robots.
Just want to clarify lang, wala namang break in period ang LCD right? plasma lang (or used to be)
Im not really sure kung judder or motion blur naexperience ko while rotating the camera view while playing sa PS3, parang na stuck sandali yung picture and i felt dizzyness after :)
I thought that Plasma gave absolutely the best PQ, a tad better, over a calibrated LCD?
So I'm now wondering, what is this green phosphor issue with Plasma? ???
We review a lot of high-definition televisions here at CNET, but the list below represents the best of the best. It collects our current highest-recommended televisions arranged in order of overall score, regardless of TV type, technology, brand, or size.
Green phosphor lag is an old issue with plasma, still unresolved until now. I'm the only one who keeps mentioning it here. In fact, sir GioSpike is the only other member in this forum who has noticed it, as far as I know.
Plasma has red, green and blue phosphors. The green phosphor is slower than the red and blue, so it lags behind during fast motion. But it is only noticeable on high contrast areas, such as black on a white background.
To be able to see it, you need the proper video clip, and you should know what to look for. But once you see it, I guarantee that you will always notice it whenever it appears. :D
The only way to remedy the problem is for the manufacturers to develop a new, faster green phosphor. I haven't heard of any such plans. That's why I'm not too keen on upgrading my EDTV. :P
The manufacturers are too busy with resolution and contrast ratio to give attention to green phosphor, because it's the customers who are looking for resolution and contrast ratio. It's the old problem of marketing vs. engineering... the marketing department usually wins.
And before I forget, I have one more thing to add...
PLASMA PA RIN! :D ;) ;D
Best HDTVs overall (updated Aug 08)
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs-overall/
Hmm... I see more phosper burning image-retention panels. I wonder why? Maybe mali ata yung pagtingin nila. Lalo yung top three, baka nga maydayaan dito. Maybe they don't know about Image retention and green phosper when they reviewed them... ::) ::) ::)
BTW...PLASMA PA RIN! :D ;) ;D
What is the absolute best flat panel? It has to be the Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma TV:
Best Plasma Ever vs. Best LCD Ever
(Verdict: Plasma Wins)
http://gizmodo.com/336498/best-plasma-ever-vs-best-lcd-ever-verdict-plasma-wins
Inuman na lang tau.. ;D ;D ;D
Inuman na lang tau.. ;D ;D ;D
Oo. Inuman na lang!! ;) ;)
Pero PLasma pa rin!! ;D ;D
hehehe... "PLASMA PA DIN" :D ;)
Interesting article...it stated:
"The winner [Plasma] was, in part, determined by how much better the plasma displayed blacks compared to the LCD."
The winner (Best Plasma at $6000 vs the Best LCD at $4500) was chosen because of "black"????
Black being the absence of color?
How about winner in terms of price? ;D That's a huge price difference.
Best HDTVs overall (updated Aug 08)
1. Panasonic TH-50PZ800U PLASMA
2. Pioneer PDP-5020FD PLASMA
3. Panasonic Viera TH-50PZ850U PLASMA
4. Samsung HL61A750 RPTV
5. Samsung LN52A650 LCD
6. Sony KDL-46XBR4 LCD
7. Panasonic TH-58PZ700U PLASMA
8. Samsung LN-T4681F LCD
9. Samsung PN50A550 PLASMA
10. Samsung FP-T5084 PLASMA
11. Panasonic TH-46PZ85U PLASMA
12. Samsung LN46A750 LCD
13. LG 50PG60 PLASMA
14. Samsung LN-T4671F LCD
http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs-overall/
Hmm... I see more phosper burning image-retention panels. I wonder why? Maybe mali ata yung pagtingin nila. Lalo yung top three, baka nga maydayaan dito. Maybe they don't know about Image retention and green phosper when they reviewed them... ::) ::) ::)
BTW...PLASMA PA RIN! :D ;) ;D
And from the previous postings... It even retains images...like "HBO" on the screen if left running for 3 hours on the HBO channel.
And I'd have to watch in zoom mode and adjust contrast levels to 50% less for 200 hours, turn black bars to gray color, just to break-in a Plasma.
If I understand the claims here correctly Plasma has the best PQ...but...but...it seems to clear to me now...
it is best as long as you don't experience the Image retention and green phosphor..and judder? ..and only after you break it in 200 hrs later...
Did I get that right?
Ang lakas nyong mang-asar, a 8) ;)
P.S.:
plasma pa rin ... ;)
i like plasma for cable viewing, but the lcd gives me less eye fatigue. i own both kinds. ;D
thought one can experience more eye fatigue from lcd bec of too much brightness ???
Nope. I think you didn't get it right. Busabos already posted that the HBO logo on his plasma was already gone.
The break-in period is 100 hours and not 200 hours plus most plasma owners here have posted that they no longer did the break-in
PD: Didn't have a plasma yet but I'll be getting one soon so by then I can proudly say: "PLASMA PA DIN!!!" ;D
Now why don't they use plasma for the PC market if it sooo much better in PQ?
People look at PCs more than prime time TV these days. Certainly logic would dictate that
the best PQ should be what people would look at more often right?
PQ is king right?? Plasma pa rin right?? ;D :D ;)
I think because Plasmas don't come in sizes smaller than 42" except for the 32" LG Plasma.
What is the absolute best flat panel? It has to be the Pioneer Elite Kuro plasma TV:
Best Plasma Ever vs. Best LCD Ever
(Verdict: Plasma Wins)
http://gizmodo.com/336498/best-plasma-ever-vs-best-lcd-ever-verdict-plasma-wins
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/features/779/plasma-vs-lcd-round-ii.html
Ok, that's a bummer...so no small Plasma screen as a PC monitor... :(
Well, so let's compare a large PC LCD monitor with the large Plasma screen then.
Here's the largest PC LCD monitor: ;D Nice ;D
http://news.softpedia.com/news/LG-Has-the-World-s-Largest-LCD-Monitor-15307.shtml
Here's one link on using a similarly sized Plasma TV to be used as a PC monitor ;D
http://www.bigscreenforums.com/forum_topic.cfm?which=6860
From that one link, it would seem Plasma isn't used for PCs...and it's not because of its size :P
Can anyone say otherwise?
Ok, so, PLASMA PA RIN!!! hehehehe ;D ;D ;D
Dude we can say there is no perfect tv, even lcd has its pros and cons. We all know that you love your lcd so much, at least your happy w/the tv you bought. Yan naman ang important wag mo na isipin yung mga nabili ng iba masaya naman sila sa plasma nila.
The happiness level is not the issue ;D
But ... please PM me the cheapest LCD TV...around 20-21"
I'm curious as to how much it is. thx
Pioneer isn't abandoning Kuro plasma, expects same-quality panels from Matsus**ta.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/08/pioneer-isnt-abandoning-kuro-plasma-expects-same-quality-panel/
Pioneer, Panasonic reach basic agreement on Kuro production, first new displays due fall '09
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/24/pioneer-panasonic-reach-basic-agreement-on-kuro-production-fir/
The move to an outside manufacturer (Matsus**ta, parent company of Panasonic) is designed to cut cost in plasma production, but Pioneer still plans to maintain its premium edge over competitors.
It may be "best" because of its black levels...but... ;D
Pioneer to stop production of plasma panels
http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/2362/206/
I now seem to recall another thread, about some large company stopping production of its HD players.
People just started dumping their players cheap for BD.
I'm now wondering if the Pioneer manufacturers would be saying.... "Hai! Plasma pa din arigato gozaimasu!"
..or are they singing a different tune now? :P ...like...hmm... sayonara! Plasma! sumimasen! Plasma! :'(
It may be "best" because of its black levels...but... ;D
Pioneer to stop production of plasma panels
http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/2362/206/
I now seem to recall another thread, about some large company stopping production of its HD players.
People just started dumping their players cheap for BD.
I'm now wondering if the Pioneer manufacturers would be saying.... "Hai! Plasma pa din arigato gozaimasu!"
..or are they singing a different tune now? :P ...like...hmm... sayonara! Plasma! sumimasen! Plasma! :'(
Its not a contest about price its about the performance.
hehehe... "PLASMA PA DIN" :D
pero madami ako lcd for sale. ;)
...as a "simple" buyer, all I want to do is watch and not have to worry about problems like IR, break-in, burn-in of a Plasma TV. Sure it has the best PQ...but PQ isn't everything ::)
It may be "best" because of its black levels...but... ;D
If eye fatigue was toooo big an issue, they wouldn't be using LCDs on the millions of laptops, LCD monitors that they know people would use 8-16 hrs a day at work now would they? ;D
Now why don't they use plasma for the PC market if it sooo much better in PQ?
People look at PCs more than prime time TV these days. Certainly logic would dictate that
the best PQ should be what people would look at more often right?
PQ is king right?? Plasma pa rin right?? ;D :D ;)
because of ericag_ph posts regarding plasma .. baka by october or november magpapalit ako from 32" LG plasma to .. panasonic 42" PV8 ....... PLASMA PA RIN!! ;D ;D ;D
Pioneer to stop production of plasma panels
http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/2362/206/
I now seem to recall another thread, about some large company stopping production of its HD players.
People just started dumping their players cheap for BD.
I'm now wondering if the Pioneer manufacturers would be saying.... "Hai! Plasma pa din arigato gozaimasu!"
..or are they singing a different tune now? :P ...like...hmm... sayonara! Plasma! sumimasen! Plasma! :'(
I think plasma panel is not use for PC esp laptop bec plasma are made of glass thus it would made it heavier unlike lcd which are made of plastic.
I have a barkada who worked as a technician supervisor for sony for so many years and now for lg and when I sought his advice whether plasma or lcd, guess what his advice? "get plasma" and not only bec of PQ but also bec of durability and dependability!
IMO, nagkulang sa "research" ::).... as a "simple buyer" you are claiming for yourself you will not be able to understand that ;)
plasma pa din! :o :o
I've read this whole thread and it seems comparison really is for 42" up. How about for 32"? Some posts say that when buying below 42", LCD is better since there won't be too much difference in PQ, plus you get it cheaper. I've inquired with the resellers here, and the price of the LG 32" Plasma and 32" LCD TVs (Toshiba 32Av500/Samsung 32A450/Panasonic 32LX80) are just the same. I don't think I'd be using it for my laptop, but it wouldn't hurt I guess if it had that feature in case I would be needing it. About the break-in, I understand why it is needed but I don't understand how it is done hehe. We would be placing it in our room, with a sliding translucent glass door. I'm just a yuppie, and this would be a big investment for me. Any help would be appreciated, my partner and I just want the best value for our money :)
You should ask yourself why does LG and Samsung still manufacture plasmas despite LCD dominance in sales? Paki sagot naman 'to. Peace!
PLASMA PA RIN! ;D ;D ;D
Did your friend at LG tell you to get Plasma because it uses glass and not plastic?
Plasma needs glass because of the gasses involved. Similar to the common light bulb. ;D
LCD can use plastic or glass... same base plastic formula used in autos, energy efficient plastic-buildings, even Formula 1 race cars and space ships ;D
Just because Plasma uses glass, and not plastic, doesn't speak of its quality, but of the material required to use the technology effectively. What material can do the job best at the least cost?
It is also why technicians, or engineers, do not run these billion dollar corporations...the finance people do ;D
Plasma pa rin!!! ;D ;D ;D
It will all boil down to each ones preference,
Nothing to do with Plasma or LCD's technical merits, but it's ability to affect the cashflow equation of the company ;D Sometimes, the bonus is the free publicity ;D Can't put a price tag on that one ;D
Now why don't they use plasma for the PC market if it sooo much better in PQ?
Us "simple buyers" and "simple research" buying LCD out-sold plasma 8:1
There's more of us ;D than you ;D ;D ;D ahahaha
Also the reason why Panasonic stopped production of plasma panels. It's not because plasma are inferior to lcd but bec they can cut production cost by just outsourcing panels from Matsu**ta. Just like Sony outsourcing lcd panels from samsungpioneer ata bro .. :D
BTW, from the way you talk about stock price, do you trade in stocks? in P6?
I've read this whole thread and it seems comparison really is for 42" up. How about for 32"? Some posts say that when buying below 42", LCD is better since there won't be too much difference in PQ, plus you get it cheaper. I've inquired with the resellers here, and the price of the LG 32" Plasma and 32" LCD TVs (Toshiba 32Av500/Samsung 32A450/Panasonic 32LX80) are just the same. I don't think I'd be using it for my laptop, but it wouldn't hurt I guess if it had that feature in case I would be needing it. About the break-in, I understand why it is needed but I don't understand how it is done hehe. We would be placing it in our room, with a sliding translucent glass door. I'm just a yuppie, and this would be a big investment for me. Any help would be appreciated, my partner and I just want the best value for our money :)
I think it has less to do with PQ than LCD simply being the right technology for the job. The screen size & dot pitch of computer monitors are too small for plasmas, and image retention will be a problem since the display image is mostly stationary in computer usage. Not to mention lower power consumption and longer lifespan makes LCD's more appropriate for computer monitor use. For large cinemas, both LCD & Plasma flat panels are wrong for the job; projectors rule on that one. Home theater is where the gray area is, since all 3 technologies do a fine job.
pioneer ata bro .. :D
afaik matsush!ta is panasonic and panasonic was a brand name made by matsush!ta for the US market .. :)
I've read this whole thread and it seems comparison really is for 42" up. How about for 32"? Some posts say that when buying below 42", LCD is better since there won't be too much difference in PQ, plus you get it cheaper. I've inquired with the resellers here, and the price of the LG 32" Plasma and 32" LCD TVs (Toshiba 32Av500/Samsung 32A450/Panasonic 32LX80) are just the same. I don't think I'd be using it for my laptop, but it wouldn't hurt I guess if it had that feature in case I would be needing it. About the break-in, I understand why it is needed but I don't understand how it is done hehe. We would be placing it in our room, with a sliding translucent glass door. I'm just a yuppie, and this would be a big investment for me. Any help would be appreciated, my partner and I just want the best value for our money :)
ex: LCD --> Dead pixels / probability = high / impact = low
I have seen dead pixels in LCD monitors, and they lit up like twinkle stars...
just a question to LCD owners, kumukutikutitap ba ito in dim lit rooms...?
I think that is a huge factor to consider rather than IR...
HELLO???
PLEASE read again my post before you comment. The glass panel issue was ONLY my opinion as stated in my post: "I think plasma was not used in PC/Laptop bec plasma are made of glass so its heavier..."
My friend told me to get a plasma bec of its better PQ AND [b]durability[/b] AND reliability AND NOT because its made of glass NOR did he say that its more durable and dependable bec its made of glass
Hope the BOLD and italized letters helped so you can better understand my post
I have seen dead pixels in LCD monitors, and they lit up like twinkle stars...
just a question to LCD owners, kumukutikutitap ba ito in dim lit rooms...?
I think that is a huge factor to consider rather than IR...
Panasonic has a good article on the LCD vs Plasma question:In another words LCD is for PC. ;)
Plasma or LCD: Which format is the right choice for you?
http://www.panasonic.ca/English/audiovideo/plasma/lcdorplasma.asp
Conclusion
Now, which product is right for you? From a technology standpoint, LCD is better suited for smaller screen sizes and regular TV viewing because of its bright clear picture.
Plasma works best for living/family room or home theatre style applications because of its faster response time, natural colour reproduction and high contrast in typical home lighting conditions. Fast action sports and movies with dark scenes always look best on a plasma television. It really is all about the application and not about the technology.
I have seen dead pixels in LCD monitors, and they lit up like twinkle stars...
just a question to LCD owners, kumukutikutitap ba ito in dim lit rooms...?
I think that is a huge factor to consider rather than IR...
So far, i have not seen anything na kumukutikutitap sa 46W300.
But next time i watch, I'll see if I notice anything.
Baka makita ko if hahanapin ko ;)
Will get back to you if meron.
go for PLASMA na 32, pag di mo na gustohan palitan ko ng LCD. ;)
32inch LG plasma Rocks! pero madami akong lcd 4 sale....hehehehe
thanks sa mga advice hehe. peace tayo lahat dito 8)so far healthy pa naman yung discussion eh .. so far ::) ::)
you can easily spot a dead pixel by using primary colors..
e.g. black spot (dot on a navy blue background)
software download here: http://www.dps.uk.com/download.php?file=4 (http://www.dps.uk.com/download.php?file=4)
instructions/description here: http://www.dataproductservices.com/dpt (http://www.dataproductservices.com/dpt)
Thanks for the suggestion. This will make my life easier. ;D
Also the reason why Panasonic stopped production of plasma panels. It's not because plasma are inferior to lcd but bec they can cut production cost by just outsourcing panels from Matsu**ta. Just like Sony outsourcing lcd panels from samsung
BTW, from the way you talk about stock price, do you trade in stocks? in P6?
haha wow all out war ba to plasma vs LCD? hehe ;D
Now I'm finally confused ;D
I am just dying to see someone post once more "Plasma pa rin"!! ;D
I thought that Plasma gave absolutely the best PQ, a tad better, over a calibrated LCD?
So I'm now wondering, what is this green phosphor issue with Plasma? ???
And from the previous postings... It even retains images...like "HBO" on the screen if left running for 3 hours on the HBO channel.
And I'd have to watch in zoom mode and adjust contrast levels to 50% less for 200 hours, turn black bars to gray color, just to break-in a Plasma.
(Which in my case is 200 days from the time I would buy it, if I would only watch 1 hour per day).
Really, I think that is just way too much work for a simple buyer. :P
So how can Plasma say it has the best PQ now? ???
If I understand the claims here correctly Plasma has the best PQ...but...but...it seems to clear to me now...
it is best as long as you don't experience the Image retention and green phosphor..and judder? ..and only after you break it in 200 hrs later...
Did I get that right?
Here, it would seem to me, that the only thing going for Plasma is PQ...but my recent post suggests there
are far many more factors that would affect buying a TV than just PQ. :)
...and Plasma PQ rocks...only if there is no IR, green phosphor, judder, and after a 200hr break-in,
which come as a RISK to anyone who purchases a Plasma ;D
Accept those risks, if you choose to benefit from a Plasma's good qualities.
But try not to think that Plasma is all PQ ;D Afterall, we are not one-dimensional creatures ;D
My suggestion, and this is really easy ;D, STOP researching and looking for advantages and disadvantages of LCD and Plasma. Let your eyes decide and visit your nearest appliance store.
As if naman choosing LCD doesnt have its risks....
Theres the dead pixel, the motion blur, less than stellar response time, the viewing angle.........
You have all that, and then you still have to think, that the other technology has a better PQ in terms of contrast ratio and color accuracy.
You accept those risks, then you still try hard to calibrate the PQ, thinking it will be at par at the other technology's PQ. But no, it still falls short, coz the other guys have calibrated their Plasmas too.
Where does it leave it, if its up to me?
.....Id rather have PLasma's risks, than LCD risks. At least with PLasma, I know I have the better PQ.
I know PQ isnt everything, but Im not a simple buyer. I get value for my money by prioritizing what I want in something. And in buying a flat panel, PQ gets a huge chunk of that priority pie.
The true simple buyers out there are the LCD owners who mostly doesnt care about the disadvantages of their panel. Or any other panel.
The simple buyer who pretends is the one who disses a 100 hour breakin and the importance of PQ......then calibrates his panel to say it is at par with the other technology.
Enough with the FUD, both panel has its own risks. Just enjoy your TV. ;)
But you've already told us how you made your decisions, you made them with only your EYES deciding ;D
You did not even consider risks that came with Plasma...from the post you made, you bought it without
any research...admittedly right? ;D come on, just admit to that ;D ;)
And in buying a flat panel, PQ gets a huge chunk of that priority pie.
As if naman choosing LCD doesnt have its risks....
Theres the dead pixel, the motion blur, less than stellar response time, the viewing angle.........
You have all that, and then you still have to think, that the other technology has a better PQ in terms of contrast ratio and color accuracy.
I knew the risks....but didnt do the research on the model Ive bought, but the PQ difference was the determining factor.
So I jumped in. Mindboggling isnt it? We knew the risks but still bought the panel.
Its like eating a truly decadent ice cream......I know it has lots of calories....its fattening. But I eat it anyway. ;D ;D ;D
wow!!! parang Olympics na to!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
who won the gold?
kanino napunta yun silver?
:D :D :D :D :D
Matindi ang usapan dito, parang religous debate! :o
ALIEN!!!
Matindi ang usapan dito, parang religous debate! :o
ALIEN!!!
Why not get a LCD projector for your big screen and a plasma for your daily viewing. Then you get the best of both world. This way everybody is a winner. ;D ;D ;D ;D
This I agree!!! ;D ;D ;DMunskie, Epson 1080UB na. Hehehe
Munskie, Epson 1080UB na. HeheheHehehe...ok pa Panny ko... ;)
;) Bring the popcorn ;D
As you have observed, Manila malls have Plasma and LCDs side-by-side. But as you stated,
where you are at, the malls carry only LCDs. That probably didn't happen overnight. Plasma was beaten
out by LCD somewhere along the lines.
I don't know....would you say where you are at, people know how to make better choices? ie. lcd
I will ask a very noob question pls don't laugh ok guys..This is a serious question, its about the greenhouse gas used to make lcds. My noob question is
I have a 32 inch lcd in my newly born babys room, Is it dangerous to her health? My baby had an operation since birth and still recovering. Most of the time we are in the hospital.. :(, bad trip nga pero with prayers she is getting better. :)..Anyway serious ito, ;D..Will the lcd in her room be bad for her health? I'm probably just paranoid.. ;D..I keep thinking if I turn it on something is coming out of the lcd hehe..I don't want anything to happen to my baby. Thanks
ang haba na ng debate dito Plasma vs LCD ;D pero bakit kaya mas madami pa din ang ng post na pro Plasma ;D
I have a 32 inch lcd in my newly born babys room, Is it dangerous to her health?
Yah, statistically, there should be 8 LCD posts to every 1 Plasma post ;D based on the global sales alone
I think medyo defensive lang ang Plasma camp ;D ;)
I will ask a very noob question pls don't laugh ok guys..This is a serious question, its about the greenhouse gas used to make lcds. My noob question is
I have a 32 inch lcd in my newly born babys room, Is it dangerous to her health? My baby had an operation since birth and still recovering. Most of the time we are in the hospital.. :(, bad trip nga pero with prayers she is getting better. :)..Anyway serious ito, ;D..Will the lcd in her room be bad for her health? I'm probably just paranoid.. ;D..I keep thinking if I turn it on something is coming out of the lcd hehe..I don't want anything to happen to my baby. Thanks
Again sorry for the noob question, just making sure after all the experience I have with my baby in the hospital.
Punta ka sa Japanese sites and you'd probably have 16:1 LCD over plasma posts. Maybe even 500:1 for the 37V and smaller TV market.
If you let only EYES decide (ie. you are thinking one-dimensionally),
which we know some members here are guilty of ;D ;D
then no other criteria will even be considered. ;D
What if later on, I need to carry the unit around, portability? ...or what if kids will use it...etc...
Letting ONLY EYES decide - that's a poor way of making decisions. ;D ;)
Criteria/decision making - ie. same technique NASA uses - I have listed it just a few posts above.
Hope it helps you, it can be applied to anything ;D
People that ask questions shouldn't be sorry at all ;)
If you get your answer, you learned one new thing for the day.
Multiply that 365 days ;)
Try this link, there should be similar ones:
California Funds Measure to Assess Potential Toxic Emissions From Office Equipment
August 10, 2004
http://www.eiatrack.org/r/523&Is_News=0&kw=%20Andrew%20L.%20Kurtzman
The fact that a large budget was allocated to look into such things, means there might be
something there to worry about...at the very least, look into seriously.
I do know that Laser Printers would be something to worry about, not certain about other office equipment
such as Flat panels. The result, of that study, I don't know.
The way I understand it, your LCD TV does not emit NF3.
It is the manufacturing process that produces NF3; but after the unit is completely assembled, household use does not involve any NF3 emissions.
The article is intellectually dishonest, actually.
NF3 is used in plasma etching of integrated circuits. NF3 was actually chosen in 2000 as an environmentally preferable substitute for perfluorocarbons such as hexafluoroethane and sulfur hexafluoride. But now the tree-huggers are saying that it's the deadliest greenhouse gas on the planet.
NF3 can be used in the manufacture of all microchips, and in 2008, it is estimated that 75% of all NF3 is used in computer microchips.
But why do the greenies pick on on flat panel TVs? Because it's harder to get attention with plain old microchips, but easier to get media coverage when they mention LCD and plasma TVs?
Nitrogen trifluoride as an anthropogenic-greenhouse-forcing gas.
Posted by Luke Weston on July 3, 2008
'I must say, this looks like more biased “You’ve got a TV? You’re guilty of climate change!” baloney from the “green” fanatics in the press who like spinning scientific papers out of context.'
http://enochthered.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/nitrogen-trifluoride-as-an-anthropogenic-greenhouse-forcing-gas/
Here's my noob opinion. My company happens to be one of the main builders of Samsung's endlessly long miles of pure water plants used for LCD manufacturing so I never saw anything hazardous in that part of production. The entire plant (which is like a city) is not even categorized as "hazardous area" (as opposed to oil & gas, and chemical plants). Well I'm sure there are some harmful components injected along the line but personally, I would be equally wary of the term "plasma gas" as I would be of "greenhouse gas." The term "plasma" evokes a lot of heat and it actually feels like a space-heater when you go near a plasma TV.k thanks guys bec my baby is only 3 months old and Im parang already like a stockholder of the hospital with the number of times sa visits and confinements. Anyway don't like any long term effects kasi on my baby if there "is something from this lcd thing"..Just wanna make sure but there is nothing sure in this world except kay God lang hehe..
But AFAIK, "CRT pa rin" ang pinakamatinding health-hazard, so much so that we are not allowed (in Japan) to throw away an old TV without proper permit, or without paying a duly licensed hazardous material handling company (which I believe, dumps many of their collected wastes to Philippine ports).
Nice exchange of ideas and opinions here. ;)
I don't have (yet :P ) both this flats, but from the way I see it, it is the members who reads this thread who bought their flats later or just about to are the winner.
I have (3) friends who bought LCD/PLASMA, the other even shipped his from the U.S., and when asked them what connection are they using, they prefer the singe yellow RCA jack compared to HDMI. They don't know what a calibration is. :-\
I let my EYES decide when buying TV ... hence i got plasma ;D
I let my EARS decide when buying audio products.
That is highly debateable.
Internet protocol is to post above a quote. Not below ;D
But I'm sure you'll try to post several links to state otherwise.
Repetitive posting that was earlier posted over and over again first...
will miss the point of the new post if below it. ;)
I personally auditioned (twice) Tosh 37AV500, Pana 32LX80, Samsung ??? 2M LCD, Tosh 32" 32AV/32CV500, LG 32PC5RV Plasma side-by-side-by-side-by-side.
With my slim budget, I chose the plasma TV. Why? As a SIMPLE BUYER, all I want is a cost effective TV that will give a great pleasure and relaxation to my eyes everytime i watch DVDs, mkvs, AERIAL TV (no destiny cable in my place due to illegal connections + SkyCable sucks).
AFAIAC, It will boil down to preferences, not specs. We cannot always debate on different technologies (apples to guavas).
The only gripes with my plasma purchase were the reflection during daytime viewing ang of course power consumption. But I knew these and understood that I have to bear with the negatives prior to buing my tv. It boils down to what I want/need + the negative aspects of that TV I can handle.Oh by the way, I also have a 22" LCD, for my PC :)
Preference. Period. My 2 cents ;)
were you the guy with the backpack, double checking your choice (LG 32" plasma) :D (if yes, ako yung pogi na matangkad na nakausap mo nun) ;D
i was able to remedy (if not fix), this by placing a wallpaper over my windows glass pane + my vertical blinds on the other window.. ;) (since i didnt want a uber dark living room)
and you might wanna check out the sabre mystal from theater works .. :) .. .. .. bagay sa tv natin ;)
yes bro ninjababez :P
Btw, the window is not my problem; it's actually the reflective surface of the tv's glass panel when my 50-watt ceiling fluorescent lamp is on. I can always see myself during dark scenes (or when it is turned-off), but it goes away during colored scenes. Anyways, i prefer watching with lights off ;D
In its simplest form, a protocol can be defined as the rules governing the syntax, semantics, and synchronization of communication. source = wikipedia
Semantics is the meaning in communication.
So "Style" is covered. ;D
Point taken, and feedback noted.
I have been on the net even before the browser was created.
The question I would ask is:
Should the community move towards "internationally accepted global standards,protocol,style,etc..."?
or
Should I adjust to pinoydvd (with it's custom pinoy standard) though it is on the internet?
;)
Grabe na itong thread na ito. Pinakamadaming post for the past few days, in one day naka ilan page ;D ;D ;D sana mayron mag create ng poll thread for Plasma vs LCD. Ako vote ko Plasma ;)Gawa ka sir von! ;D
Gawa ka sir von! ;D
if ever this will continue, i might ;D para naman we will have figures as to what members really think is better (Plasma or LCD) ;)
Quotes should be placed above the message. The purpose is to enable the reader to understand the context before reading the reply.
OK.
RFC 1855 (Netiquette Guidelines) states:
If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
That's right. It's a just a netiquette guideline.
A guideline that you refuse to follow.
Apparently, netiquette is not one of your strong points. :D
OT
Guys who are reading....what flavor is your popcorn?? ;D ;D ;D ;D
para di OT
Plasma pa rin!! :D
Distinguish Top-Posting, Bottom-Posting and Summary Reply.
The controversy is Top-Posting vs Bottom-Posting. You cited Summary Replies.
Your quoted RFC discusses summary replies as the preferred method. With summary replies, "one could read the entire reply and understand what the point is without having to refer to quoted text". Thus, in summary replies, the quoted text is at the bottom because it is placed only as a reference, but the reply is clear even without having to read the quote.
You, on the other hand, are top-posting, because the message is not clear unless the quoted text is first read.
Your cited RFC did not revise the guideline on bottom-posting.
Anyone keeping tabs on the score...? ;D
Plasma vs LCD..?
PLASMA pa din..
Globally, the score is: 8 LCD TV to 1 Plasma TV in sales... ;)
...and this one here is just a pure conservative guess, not fact, it should be around this ballpark figure:
Hundreds of PC LCD Monitors to 1 PC Plasma "Monitor" ;D
Do you still want to keep tabs on the score? ;D
So clearly, worldwide, it is LCD. ;)
Analogy: Kia ~ LCD, Ferrari ~ Plasma
No disrespect but this analogy is likewise invalid in my opinion. Consider this. I was so thrilled to watch recorded Beijing Olympics Opening Ceremonies in high def using my Viera. But right now, I'm watching high def well lighted olympic events live using my Sharp LCD, and I'm liking it very very much as well.
lcd ang gamit ko, pero pq? PLASMA pa rin! hehehe
So I will continue to enjoy my LCDTV and also look forward to a plasma. It just makes it more exciting. Maybe by that time, more affordable na ang Kuro or something. ;D
Moderators: Some people here should get their FACTs right before making FALSE and INACCURATE, DEFAMATORY, PROFANE, OBSCENE, accusations. I will wait for your action on the matter.
As if there is any of the mods around to care what has been going on in this thread. So how about more popcorn, anyone? ;D ;D ;D
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At ito, cupcake pag ayaw mo ng popcorn... ;D ;D ;D
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The Imaging Science Foundation (ISF) states the the most important aspects of picture quality are (in order): 1) contrast ratio, 2) color saturation, 3) color accuracy, 4) resolution.
So if you are looking for a panel, and PQ is an utmost importance in your buying decision, consider those aspects.
Plasma is generally superior to LCD in all other aspects except resolution. But then again, resolution is just 4th on the list. And resolution can be altered by your viewing distance. ;)
After having posted that....its still the buyer's decision. ;)
The Imaging Science Foundation (ISF) states the the most important aspects of picture quality are (in order): 1) contrast ratio, 2) color saturation, 3) color accuracy, 4) resolution.
So if you are looking for a panel, and PQ is of utmost importance in your buying decision, consider those aspects.
Plasma is generally superior to LCD in all other aspects except resolution. But then again, resolution is just 4th on the list. And resolution can be altered by your viewing distance. ;)
After having posted that....its still the buyer's decision. ;)
"PDP shipment growth surged in Q2 by 35% Q/Q and 34% Y/Y as 32” HD shipments were initiated by Vizio into the US market, quickly rising to almost 13% of all PDP shipments for the quarter. 42” PDP shipments also rose in Q2, climbing 86% Q/Q, but 50” PDP shipments were flat Q/Q as LCD proved a tough competitor at 50-54”."
"Overall LCD TV gained share during the quarter, rising from 77.5% to 79.8% unit share, a new high. LCD TV also gained against PDP in the 50-54” size category, rising to a new high of 46.1% with most 52” LCD TVs selling at a substantial premium to comparable PDP models. LCD did drop from 97.7% to 93.6% of shipments at 32” though, as 32” HD PDP entered the size category during the quarter."
I was standing right in front of two 65 inch panels side by side last night; A Panasonic PZ800 and Sharp's Flagship R series showing the finals of Olympic judo in Bic Camera near Ginza. Katabi ng Sharp yung 50V flagship ng Sony. In all honesty, I cannot decide which looked better for that particular TV broadcast. The colors of the Pany are just as appealing as the brightness and clarity of the Sharp and Sony straight on. A regular viewer would not watch his/her TV on the edges right?
LCDs sell more than Plasma not only due to better marketing, more makers, more sizes but also because its PQ actually looks absolutely fantastic if you feed it with the right signal. My LCD showed as clearly and as beautifully as my Plasma that Michael Phelps did not win today. ;D
But I appreciate that right signals are not necessarily available in any location. So what you should do is to bring whatever equipment you have to the store (PS3, Xbox360, BD, HD-DVD, DVD, DVD Recorder, Videocam, Recorded TV show, VHS, Betamax, your HTPC, your Popcorn, your cellphone, etc.) and asked to be allowed to test all of these to see with you own eyes what to expect when your bring the equipment home. If you are a serious buyer, I dont think the seller would refuse such kind of tests (and inconvenience) at the store, but just be considerate of the time or day, and bring your own test equipment and data. Take note of the illumination of the store and compare that with your own TV room. This is an important factor as Plasma shines better in the dark while LCD excels when it's bright.
Many first time buyers are confused and endlessly second guessing themselves because of the amount of this investment, whatever the salesmen are saying, whatever Pana and Samsung or Sony or Sharp are publishing, and the claims of the members of this board. The thing is, most everybody is biased. Who cares what the experts think if you and family prefer another? If "you are a serious buyer NOW, I would try to spend more time doing tests and observations in stores than reading about specs and reviews and claims and posts. That way, you'd better appreciate that both technologies have weaknesses that you simply have to accept.
So whether Plasma pa rin or LCD pa rin, decide it with your own eyes while considering your particular needs and applications. Seriously, I like both. LCD and Plasma complete each other.
BTW, neither one will be obsolete until you get the itch to buy a new one.
Very well said. I think this statement should conclude the "plasma vs. lcd" issue. ;)
This will only die down when one technolgy says "UNCLE". It's similar to the HD Format wars. Yung sumuko yung HD DVD, tapos na ung away...
Almost all TV makers maintain that plasmas are better than LCDs in many ways. Tarun Jain, country head at Hitachi Home Electronics, India, explains, “A plasma is a clearly better choice for the customer when it comes to very large screen sizes. Firstly, with regards to moving images plasma panels score over LCDs. Secondly, the price per square inch for a large screen plasma television is much lower than that for large screen LCD televisions for similar sizes.”
In fact, LGIEL is quite bullish on plasma sales with the launch of the first frame less plasma TV in India last month. It plans to capture 30% market share in the flat panel category with the launch. Along with LGIEL, at least two other companies, Panasonic India and Samsung India Electronics, launched brand new ranges of plasma TVs. Another important Japanese player in this segment, Hitachi Home Electronics is also planning to follow suit with its Ultra Thin range. So, does the plasma still have a chance?
Going by the statistics released by China Market Monitor Co, plasma lovers in India can breathe easy. Globally plasmas are making a strong comeback. Sample this: 528,000 plasma TVs were sold in the Chinese market in the first five months of this year, shooting 149.6% from a year earlier, thanks to the hot sales of 32-inch panels. Also according to a report published by display market research and consulting firm, DisplaySearch, international plasma shipments increased by 54% Y-o-Y.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/16/panasonic-gives-you-100-000-reasons-to-pick-its-1080p-plasmas/
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Credit Panasonic for fighting the good fight by introducing an easy-to-understand and relevant spec to the marketplace: its 2008 plasmas boast 100,000-hours plasma life for the 1080p sets, 60,000-hours for the 720p sets. .
bakit mas advisable sa gaming ang LCD kesa plasma?hmm afaik in gaming you need a fast response time .. hence, i would prefer plasma .. although the static images in gaming might cause IR (on some cases) .. :)
bakit mas advisable sa gaming ang LCD kesa plasma?
bakit mas advisable sa gaming ang LCD kesa plasma?
for fun:
For those who believe in Fung Shui:
Most Fung Shui books state that you must avoid reflective surfaces like mirrors and TV's in your bedroom (facing the bed), or it disrupts the harmony between you & your spouse.
Plasma TV's have reflective surfaces. LCD's non reflective surface is the loophole ;D
So if you are always fighting with your spouse, maybe its time to switch to LCD, hehehe. :D
P.S. I seldom fight with my spouse! Must be the LCD or my favourite saying "Yes dear!" ;D.
for fun:
For those who believe in Fung Shui:
Most Fung Shui books state that you must avoid reflective surfaces like mirrors and TV's in your bedroom (facing the bed), or it disrupts the harmony between you & your spouse.
Plasma TV's have reflective surfaces. LCD's non reflective surface is the loophole ;D
So if you are always fighting with your spouse, maybe its time to switch to LCD, hehehe. :D
P.S. I seldom fight with my spouse! Must be the LCD or my favourite saying "Yes dear!" ;D.
Most Fung Shui books state that you must avoid reflective surfaces like mirrors and TV's in your bedroom (facing the bed), or it disrupts the harmony between you & your spouse.
Confucius say: Harmony with spouse for the next 20 years is better than 2 hours of great PQ a day... :D ;D
MATZtER say: Dont forget to say: "YES DEAR". ;D
and... once that TV is in your house, with no other TV beside it to compare to like in the shops, its the most beautiful TV ever.
Right? 8)
P.S. I seldom fight with my spouse! Must be the LCD or my favourite saying "Yes dear!" ;D.
So if you are always fighting with your spouse, maybe its time to switch to LCD, hehehe. :D
Hi guys,
tanong ko lang ang viewing angle, i notice that smaller LCD kapag you tried to view from below, medyo madilim na.. is this an indicator that you have a poor panel?
The term "poor" is rather drastic and needs to be qualified, pero ganon na nga ang indication. LCDs with "narrow" viewing angle horizontally and vertically (usually 160 degrees) are the cheapest LCD technologies available at the moment. But they are quite good for gaming due to fast response times. Highest quality and most expensive LCDs used for high end PC monitors and good quality HDTVs have maximum viewing angle of 178 degrees from all orientations.yep those from dell and hp to be specific :)
Confucius say: Harmony with spouse for the next 20 years is better than 2 hours of great PQ a day... :D ;D
MATZtER say: Dont forget to say: "YES DEAR". ;D
and... once that TV is in your house, with no other TV beside it to compare to like in the shops, its the most beautiful TV ever.
Right? 8)
Might as well include a PJ on your plan coz this is also a great choice.
PJ?
After around 15 minutes of letting the sales guy talk about the LCD, I mentioned to him that I am already an owner of a 46W300 Bravia. So, I ended up looking at the 42pv8. His reply: "Maganda din yan Sir, yung black nya mas ok sa LCD" and "mas ok daw yan kung sa madilim na room mo gagamitin".wow buybust .. :D
Well, as the story goes, I'm sure this is a normal scenario at the store. And very dependent on the information that you'll get from the sales personnel who is on duty.
wow buybust .. :D
talk about "urong sulong" .. ;D ;D
but you cant blame these people .. one way or another .. they have to sell .. :)
ika nga ni blondie eh ..
One way or another, I'm gonna find ya'
I'm gonna get ya', get ya', get ya', get ya'
One way or another, I'm gonna win ya'
I'm gonna get ya', get ya' ,get ya', get ya'
;D ;D
Napakanta ako ah. ;Dyup .. you cant get em all pros unless you buy em all .. :D
Yup. Not blaming sales personnel at all. Ganun talaga. Whatever information they are fed with by marketing guys, sales management and other customers, including their own experiences will be the norm deciding factor/s for a typical consumer. That's why, IMO, our second best bet, that is if you can't decide what technology to purchase is to "trust" the recommendations of the experienced majority here at pdvd. Sabi nga, follow the footsteps of those who are successful in what they do. Check out their HT galleries and the contents of their contributions to the different threads. The worst case is, you will experience the same "cons" and enjoy the same "pros" the more experienced members are having or had with their choices. That's not so bad. ;D
August 21, 2008 12:31 PM PDThmm rptvs are still selling? :D
Plasma TV on the rebound?
Posted by Erica Ogg
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DisplaySearch is reporting that shipments of plasma worldwide increased 52 percent from the same quarter a year ago, or 3.4 million units. That's way behind LCD TV shipments, but it's encouraging for a technology that many of the biggest vendors had basically left for dead.
Plasma shipments are on the rise everywhere, but they are particularly healthy in China, where they rose 285 percent in the last year.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10021645-1.html
plasma vs lcd below both 2megssan nakadisplay ito bro?
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bluray source w/both the same 1.3 hdmi cable.
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August 21, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
Plasma TV on the rebound?
Posted by Erica Ogg
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DisplaySearch is reporting that shipments of plasma worldwide increased 52 percent from the same quarter a year ago, or 3.4 million units. That's way behind LCD TV shipments, but it's encouraging for a technology that many of the biggest vendors had basically left for dead.
Plasma shipments are on the rise everywhere, but they are particularly healthy in China, where they rose 285 percent in the last year.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10021645-1.html
Which is which sir? Hulaan ko Lcd yung nasa taas at Plasma yung nasa baba? ;D
saw this on the theaterworks thread
Plasma yung sa taas LCD sa baba
P.S. I seldom fight with my spouse! Must be the LCD or my favourite saying "Yes dear!" ;D.
san nakadisplay ito bro?
Sa Trinoma bro, naka side by side. I'll post pics din Tohsiba na full Hd vs the full of the new panny. :)
1. The LCD image tends to look sharper, cleaner, showing finer details.
2. In general and unless you buy 50V or bigger panels or full HD panels, LCDs have higher native resolution than plasmas.
3. The image is brighter, allowing you to do computing ang gaming under any lighting conditions.
4. The panels are usually non-glare.
5. Gaming monitors are usually smaller than HDTV and plasmas are not available below 32 inch.
6. Color accuracy is not at all critical with gaming and gamers would normally sit right in front of monitors.
7. LCDs optimized for gaming can be manufactured using the cheapest LCD tech.
8. LCDs are cooler. How would you like to stick your face close to a space heater?
Sa akin naman, thanks for changing the lcd into plasma dear kawawa naman yung mga mata ng kids eh... :D.....Out goes the 32 hitachi.....
peace Mat. ;)
plasma pa din! :D
Just a thought lang (you may agree or not). The comparison between Plasma vs. LCD is similar to Mac OS vs. Windows. Although Mac OS is much superior than Windows, a lot of people end up buying Windows because of its wide range of compatibility and use. More support for software and devices. In the same vein, while generally the contrast and picture quality of plasma is better than LCD, most people buy LCD because of price, size, flexibility and wider range of use (gaming, pc monitor, use in bright room, etc.). But in the end, the winner is neither Mac OS nor Windows but Linux which, although still in the development stage, would eventually triumph over the two OS once the public throw their all-out support for it... in the same manner that PJ is the clear winner (and the future of home theater) over plasma and LCD. ;D
i like the analogy of linux and pj. ;D
but the reason why linux is so popular its becuase its open source and free, pj's are not free. sure hope they do though.... ;)
Free PJs? That will end the epic battle between plasma vs. lcd. :D :D :D
Just a thought lang (you may agree or not). The comparison between Plasma vs. LCD is similar to Mac OS vs. Windows. Although Mac OS is much superior than Windows, a lot of people end up buying Windows because of its wide range of compatibility and use. More support for software and devices. In the same vein, while generally the contrast and picture quality of plasma is better than LCD, most people buy LCD because of price, size, flexibility and wider range of use (gaming, pc monitor, use in bright room, etc.). But in the end, the winner is neither Mac OS nor Windows but Linux which, although still in the development stage, would eventually triumph over the two OS once the public throw their all-out support for it... in the same manner that PJ is the clear winner (and the future of home theater) over plasma and LCD. ;D
Yeah, I appreciate that skin tones look better on a plasma because of the warmer colors. But haven't you noticed that TV personalities and movie stars look soooooooooooo much whiter in person than on TV. Pati si Bayani Agbayani mamula mula complexion sa personal ne. So which TV tech is closest to real skin tone then? ;D ;D
haha. Di ko pa na try sa free tv ang plasma.:P I had seen a local broadcast on LCD and Im not happy with what I saw. Sobrang daming noise.
Speaking of black complexion, I had watch I-robot on a plasma and will smiths skin tone looks normal to me (hindi mamula mula) and looks almost the same as with an HDCRT, which again is my gauge. hehe
Self test. Look at your handsome face in the mirror and then check your complexion on a home video. Di ba mukhang mas dark ang complexion mo sa video using CRT TV or Plasma? Try mo LCD, ang puti ng face. So saan ka mas pogi? ;D ;D ;D
whoa, mukhang mas manipis sya sa scarlet ng LG at the same time parang oled ang nipismukhang magpapalit ka nanaman bro ah .. :P
Self test. Look at your handsome face in the mirror and then check your complexion on a home video. Di ba mukhang mas dark ang complexion mo sa video using CRT TV or Plasma? Try mo LCD, ang puti ng face. So saan ka mas pogi? ;D ;D ;D
Ha ha. Maputi ang complexion ko sir sa CRT kapag malalakas angjust like what my photographer friend told me .. its all in the lighting ;)backlightlighting sa room. ;D
just like what my photographer friend told me .. its all in the lighting ;)
Self test. Look at your handsome face in the mirror and then check your complexion on a home video. Di ba mukhang mas dark ang complexion mo sa video using CRT TV or Plasma? Try mo LCD, ang puti ng face. So saan ka mas pogi? ;D ;D ;D
That's right. It's all in the lighting, not the backlighting. ;) :D;D ;D
HD DVD: HDTV CRT, Plasma (but King Kong looks more 3D on the LCD)
BD: Dont have. ;D
DVD Movies and Concert: HDTV CRT, Plasma
SD Programs: HDTV CRT, Plasma
But if we limit his preferences to the common uses in the Philipppines ...
... e di plasma rin pala ang preference niya ...
di ba? :)
jeez great!, ::) after reading this thread...i feel like replacing my 3 mos old LCD to Plasma!
That's a great post from someone who has used them all and seen them all. :)
Sir Clondalkin, would you have a preference depending on the room lighting? I like to dim the lights when I watch movies. But cable TV is anytime, anywhere. Not much we can do about it, our local cable TV isn't very good.
lcd ba or plasma chief? ::)
...would you have a preference depending on the room lighting? I like to dim the lights when I watch movies. But cable TV is anytime, anywhere. Not much we can do about it, our local cable TV isn't very good.
Noted! Thanks for the detailed & insightful reply.
There are times when we want to make an "event" out of watching a movie, making sure the video and sound equipment are tweaked to the max, and the room is prepped for the best ambiance. Then there are also those times when we can't be bothered to perform the usual ceremonyas... just wanna kick off the shoes, dive into the couch and press the remote.
I think there are enough variations in content, lighting, usage and mood that the "right choice" isn't right all the time, but mostly darn good enough. Once I make my choice in the next 2-3 weeks, I'll try not to think about it too much and just enjoy it. ;D
You are absolutely right. Cable TV/regular TV is anytime, anywhere and we have all been spoilt by the CRT for being such an all-lighting condition TV. A plasma buyer should simply accept beforehand that he should provide some kind of illumination control in the TV room to maximize the viewing quality whether it be daytime or nightime. It may be inconvenient to install additional curtains to dim the room or block sunlight or reduce reflections during the day, but it would be silly not to use an HDTV properly. (this is particularly important for the top of the line Panasonic which has full glass (glossy) face design - however judging from the other models, the panels per se have become less reflective compared to old gen ones), Right out of the box, the LCD should be the more convenient choice because you don’t have to change anything in the viewing room. In fact, you should maintain sufficient lighting while watching on an LCD in order to prevent excessive eyestrain as the image may be too bright.
I think I’ve posted this somewhere but in my opinion, the most important criteria is which “image quality” you and your family prefer under proper lighting conditions based on your intended usage and other video contents that you will have ready access to. I agree with you that the quality of cable and broadcast in the Philippines is quite appalling. So until HD broadcast begins in the Philippines, I’m positive that Plasma is more suitable to what is available (legally or otherwise) in our country. But again, you have to control your room illumination especially during the day. I'm not implying that LCD would be the better choice for HD broadcast, but under such conditions, the odds would even out and the choice becomes even harder and more "content-to-content dependent". Me thinks.
Based on the latest offerings of Panasonic, it’s pretty obvious that making the Plasma image look “brighter” is one of the improvements that their engineers are working on. Afterall, many people are now wanting to make their houses naturally bright during the day. I think Nemesis has already posted somewhere that the difference between the 8 series and the 7 series is “matapang ang kulay” (if I remember it correctly). In my observation, the 8 series plasmas are not only matingkad, but they seem to appear brighter than their predecessor under the same lighting condition; still not as bright as LCDs though.
On the other hand, you don’t have to look at the specs to be convinced that everytime a new iteration of LCD is released by renowned makes, it is obviously more colorful than previous models. Reds are becoming less magenta (especially for Sonys), blacks are moving closer to the dark side. Unfortunately, LCD engineers are not at all interested in improving the SD image out of an HDTV LCD. What’s the point in doing that anyway ne? In any case, the LCD color saturation may not still be as “true” as that of Plasma, but colors do not have to be highly accurate to perceive moving high def images as “beautiful.” Bring 10 kids to an electronic store and let them choose between the colorful but dim plasma against the unnatural but bright LCD both showing images in their high def glory. Which do you think they would choose?
Of course, what differentiates PinoyDVD members from kids is that we have the tendency to be more “childish” in scrutinizing every single aspect of an image beyond practicality. ;D
All I know is that puede akong magluto, maglaba, magplantsa, magsulat, magbasa, kumain ng lunch while watching on an LCD, while I have to chill out in subdued light when watching on a plasma. ;D ;D ;D...and I'm trying to develop the habit to "really watch" while the Plasma is on because medyo mataas ang power rating ng full HD plasma. Taas kamay ng mahilig mag-on ng TV all day kahit hindi naman talaga pinapanood or pasilip silip lang or nakikinig lang sa news/sound. ;D
Of course, what differentiates PinoyDVD members from kids is that we have the tendency to be more “childish” in scrutinizing every single aspect of an image beyond practicality. ;D
You are absolutely right. Cable TV/regular TV is anytime, anywhere and we have all been spoilt by the CRT for being such an all-lighting condition TV. A plasma buyer should simply accept beforehand that he should provide some kind of illumination control in the TV room to maximize the viewing quality whether it be daytime or nightime. It may be inconvenient to install additional curtains to dim the room or block sunlight or reduce reflections during the day, but it would be silly not to use an HDTV properly. (this is particularly important for the top of the line Panasonic which has full glass (glossy) face design - however judging from the other models, the panels per se have become less reflective compared to old gen ones), Right out of the box, the LCD should be the more convenient choice because you don’t have to change anything in the viewing room. In fact, you should maintain sufficient lighting while watching on an LCD in order to prevent excessive eyestrain as the image may be too bright.
I think I’ve posted this somewhere but in my opinion, the most important criteria is which “image quality” you and your family prefer under proper lighting conditions based on your intended usage and other video contents that you will have ready access to. I agree with you that the quality of cable and broadcast in the Philippines is quite appalling. So until HD broadcast begins in the Philippines, I’m positive that Plasma is more suitable to what is available (legally or otherwise) in our country. But again, you have to control your room illumination especially during the day. I'm not implying that LCD would be the better choice for HD broadcast, but under such conditions, the odds would even out and the choice becomes even harder and more "content-to-content dependent". Me thinks.
Based on the latest offerings of Panasonic, it’s pretty obvious that making the Plasma image look “brighter” is one of the improvements that their engineers are working on. Afterall, many people are now wanting to make their houses naturally bright during the day. I think Nemesis has already posted somewhere that the difference between the 8 series and the 7 series is “matapang ang kulay” (if I remember it correctly). In my observation, the 8 series plasmas are not only matingkad, but they seem to appear brighter than their predecessor under the same lighting condition; still not as bright as LCDs though.
On the other hand, you don’t have to look at the specs to be convinced that everytime a new iteration of LCD is released by renowned makes, it is obviously more colorful than previous models. Reds are becoming less magenta (especially for Sonys), blacks are moving closer to the dark side. Unfortunately, LCD engineers are not at all interested in improving the SD image out of an HDTV LCD. What’s the point in doing that anyway ne? In any case, the LCD color saturation may not still be as “true” as that of Plasma, but colors do not have to be highly accurate to perceive moving high def images as “beautiful.” Bring 10 kids to an electronic store and let them choose between the colorful but dim plasma against the unnatural but bright LCD both showing images in their high def glory. Which do you think they would choose?
Of course, what differentiates PinoyDVD members from kids is that we have the tendency to be more “childish” in scrutinizing every single aspect of an image beyond practicality. ;D
All I know is that puede akong magluto, maglaba, magplantsa, magsulat, magbasa, kumain ng lunch while watching on an LCD, while I have to chill out in subdued light when watching on a plasma. ;D ;D ;D...and I'm trying to develop the habit to "really watch" while the Plasma is on because medyo mataas ang power rating ng full HD plasma. Taas kamay ng mahilig mag-on ng TV all day kahit hindi naman talaga pinapanood or pasilip silip lang or nakikinig lang sa news/sound. ;D
It's not necessary to go "dark" on a plasma. I for one definitely cannot stand dark viewing as I would get dizzy before even finishing a 1-hour show. Panasonic (Japan) mentions in their Japanese living room TV selection guide that plasma image should look great under 75-150 lux (those into photography can use their lux meter to check the illumination level in their TV room). In my observation, Phil houses at night tend to be darker than Japan's because on the average, the houses/rooms are bigger and wider, the ceilings are higher and the lighting fixtures are less. But during the day, some houses can be very bright or very dark depending on the design and the locations of windows relative to sunlight.
As I mentioned above, I observed that the newer Plasma's are using less reflective panels than older ones and their images are, in general, relatively brighter hence should have improved performance in the daylight. However, my particular plasma model (PZ800) has got a very glossy full glass surface (it looks like a thin film of glass all over the panel and the frame). It looks sleek, it looks elegant, images are great, but it has the tendency to act like a "dark mirror" especially during the day, or when the scene is dark, or when there is lighting at my back, or when my room is too bright with fixtures or with sunlight through the window. Maybe the overseas equivalent model (PY800) has got a similar finish, so please take note. But again, the other Panasonic models have panels that almost look like LCDs when not turned on, that I even had to touch the panel to verify that it was made of hard glass and not softy LCD. The thing is, reflective TV's have always been with us since the CRT days and our reflections have always been on TV. It's just that we grew up with 14, 17 or 21 inch glasses watching from 8 feet or further away, but now, we have to face flat glass surfaces that are at least twice as big, AND, we are quite more observant of the image on the screen, that we tend to notice things other than the image itself. ;D
I am planning on buying a 42" Plasma/LCD soon and I want to wall mount it. Does the wall need to be concrete or it will be able to support even on a wooden partition?
sana may mag-post ng pics ng lcd and plasma tv nila to show how they display cable signals and ordinary dvds...check theaterworks thread bro .. jeff has been posting comparisons for HD and upscaled titles .. except cable tv reception :(
yah, that's why i want to see how cable and ordinary dvds would look like kasi dun ko gagamitin at wala pa akong budget for a bluray playerwhat size are you looking for? how about ps3 for your bluray player? pm me and maybe i can give you a good deal :)
what size are you looking for? how about ps3 for your bluray player? pm me and maybe i can give you a good deal :)
how much PS3 sir? may P*** disc na ba yan? hehe
mga pre, im very interested to know this:
Given:
a) 40" (Samsung/Sony) LCD vs 42"Plasma (panasonic)
b) yung cheapest model lang for the size given above. I think yung panasonic mga P65T
c) 2008 model ng LCD/Plasma pero yung low-end version lang
d) 8hrs/day
e) TV settings on default mode
f) input signal is broadcast cable TV
They say mas mahal yung kuryente to run a plasma TV, so given the conditions above, magkano yung madadagdag sa meralco bill mo in 1 month's time if you use plasma as against LCD? P100? P500? more?
for sure mas mataas yung plasma basta tungkol sa power consumption :Pnot really since dynamic ang rating ng power consumption ng plasma ..
for sure mas mataas yung plasma basta tungkol sa power consumption :P
Report on power consumption:
for those wondering about a plasma tv's power consumption. I got a panasonic 42pv70 early September. I got my bill for the month already and may I just say that there is no marked increase in my electric bill. For comparison, my bill was higher during the summer when I had to turn up my aircon more often.
Average use: 1-2 hours weekdays, at least 4 hours on weekends.
The electric bill just arrived,
and after the break-in period last month,
my electric bill now drops Php850 from my last bill,...
I use my plasma during evenings, watching DVD and cable,
maximum hours of use is 4 hours.... (everyday...)
I guess, the experts were correct in saying that the rated
consumption at the back panel is the rating if the TV is on TORCH mode...
Awesome,..!
Siguro dahil constant backlight ng LCD??yup dynamic kasi consumption ng plasma ..
Plasma user here too.....no hike in power consumption. Practicaly same viewing habits. ;)
Hitachi dials back plasma production, looks to buy from Panasonic :( :( :(
Hitachi is the latest manufacturer looking towards the door as the party at plasma's house is winding down, and the cost cutting isn't surprising in light of the company's steep losses on plasma TVs. Just to spare plasma's feelings, though, it has agreed to buy some panels from Panasonic (which looks to be last man standing at the dwindling party). It's hard to see the move as anything but inevitable -- as LCDs take over and OLEDs ramp up, Hitachi's 7.5-percent stake in the plasma market isn't the issue, it's the shrinking overall plasma market that's the problem. We wouldn't be surprised to see a complete exit from the plasma market in the foreseeable future. :'( :'( :'(
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/09/21/hitachi-dials-back-plasma-production-looks-to-buy-from-panasoni/
Hitachi dials back plasma production, looks to buy from Panasonic :( :( :(nakuh pano yan, i just got a 42pv80 from jeff :)
Hitachi is the latest manufacturer looking towards the door as the party at plasma's house is winding down, and the cost cutting isn't surprising in light of the company's steep losses on plasma TVs. Just to spare plasma's feelings, though, it has agreed to buy some panels from Panasonic (which looks to be last man standing at the dwindling party). It's hard to see the move as anything but inevitable -- as LCDs take over and OLEDs ramp up, Hitachi's 7.5-percent stake in the plasma market isn't the issue, it's the shrinking overall plasma market that's the problem. We wouldn't be surprised to see a complete exit from the plasma market in the foreseeable future. :'( :'( :'(
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/09/21/hitachi-dials-back-plasma-production-looks-to-buy-from-panasoni/
nakuh pano yan, i just got a 42pv80 from jeff :)
Pag sinabi ng anak na "uso" ang LCD and yun ang meron ang kalaro, eh kawawa yung bata kapag di uso ang TV nya and yung TV nya lang ang iba ;D ;D ;D
nakuh pano yan, i just got a 42pv80 from jeff :)
If ever this will happen, pareho tayo ng problem. At least yung Plasma mo Pana yung sa akin Hitachi :(
actually naisip ko din yan ;D ;D which model ng LCD 46" above would you recommend? Yung available dito sa atin sana ;)
Minimum 8 years naman guaranteed availability ng spare parts for TVs so pede nang magpalit ng TV in case masira yung Hitachi mo beyond 8 years. :) Anyway, Hitachi Display's technical know how is quite deep so hindi basta basta mawawala ang Hitachi sa display business.
Sharp is still the undisputed king of LCD in Japan but unfortunately, they don't spread their might in the Philippine market. Maganda sana yung GX series ng Sharp and if you can afford it, yung RX series. Kaso, Sony and Samsung lang yata ang very active sa atin for panels 46" and bigger.
yup hopefully ;) last year nung nakapasyal ako diyan and was able to visit BIC Camera parang wala ako nakita na Hitachi on display ??? hindi kaya sign na ito last year pa lang.
Ganito mga solution dyan.
a. Palitan nyo plasma every 6 months to help maintain the overall plasma market
i cant afford this bro .. :)
b. Gamitin nyo na rin plasma as PC monitor kesehodang IR, burn-in, mainit, reflective, lower res.
ive been doing this with my LG 32" plasma .. no problems so far ..
c. Pati room ni Inday, lagyan nyo ng plasma
wahh .. wala pako sariling maid bro .. :D .. planning to get one though, yung burara and di matampuhin .. ;)
Ok lang ma-obsolete ang plasma para maging mura agad ang OLED in 2015 ;D
Pag sinabi ng anak na "uso" ang LCD and yun ang meron ang kalaro, eh kawawa yung bata kapag di uso ang TV nya and yung TV nya lang ang iba ;D ;D ;D
If ever this will happen, pareho tayo ng problem. At least yung Plasma mo Pana yung sa akin Hitachi :(for me ill stick with plasma technology, up until its available :)
may sinamahan ako na uncle last week and audition a 46" LCD vs a 50" Plasma. For me Plasma pa din ang mas maganda. My uncle also biglang na pa Plasma even if LCD ang initially gusto niya. Yun nga lang he has to convince his kids, kasi gusto nung kids niya LCD kasi yun daw ang uso and yun ang mayron mga friends nila ;D
cnn and i had lower bills .. ::) ::)
nagtataka rin nga kami eh .. sakin from 2.2k to 1.7k .. :)
unlike lcdtv daw kasi sa plasma yata depende kung gaano ka bright yung scene eh .. although 240 watts yung LG 32" on paper .. di naman sya constant .. pero ill try and monitor my bills in the following months .. :D
update .. my bill has been consistent for 2 months (@1.2k) .. now that i got a bigger screen .. paktay baka balik 1.7k .. ;D
update .. my bill has been consistent for 2 months (@1.2k) .. now that i got a bigger screen .. paktay baka balik 1.7k .. ;D
Baba naman ng bill mo sir. Ano ba ang sekreto? ;D
sir, your bill is 1k+ only? and I presumed hindi lang plasma tv appliance nyo. baba naman po. ano po ba sekreto nyo? ;Dkayo talaga delicious minded ;D :P :P .. although 3 floors yung apartment ko .. its relatively small .. ;D
any ideas how much it will increase once i use a 42" rated at 375 watts? :)
btw 240 watts lang yung dati kong 32" lg plasma .. :)
Based on guidelines set by Japanese Energy Conservation law (4.5 hours per day usage, 19.5 hours on stand-by), approximately this muchso bro from an average of 1.2k a month .. how much do you think would it sum up .. given that i havent change my viewing habits?
Your 32 plasma: 240 x 4.5 x 0.4 x 365 = 157.68 KWH per year = 13.14 KWH per month
42 inch plasma (non full HD type) = 375 x 4.5 x 0.4 x 365 = 246.38 KHW per year = 20.53 KWH per month
So how much is additional 7.39 KWH per month in terms of electric bill?
Where did I get the multiplier 0.4?
I tabulated every single "KWH per year" rating published by Japanese TV makers for every model they offer based on the above usage condition (this is required by Japanese Energy Conservation Law) and then compared that value to the maximum power draw of the TV assuming they would constantly use maximum rated power. I noticed that the average multiplier for plasma is approx. 0.4
To simplify the calculation, I assumed the actual power consumed during stand-by (19.5 hours) to be negligible because many recent models of both Plasma and LCD have barely 0.1W power draw under that mode. Sa Philippines, where some probably unplug their TVs when not in use, the effect is the same.
Oh, guess what the approximate multiplier for LCD is? Well I have to check my figures at home but I remember it's just a tad over 0.5 - quite far from 100% claimed by those who think LCD draws its max power constantly at all times during operation.
so bro from an average of 1.2k a month .. how much do you think would it sum up .. given that i havent change my viewing habits?
and regarding the power consumption of lcdtv, update us bro ha! ;D
That's why Im asking how much in Peso would the additional 7.39 KWH per month cost. A few hundred pesos? I dont know the rates in Manila but I dont think 7.39KWH would be painful in the wallet for someone who can afford a 42V plasma.
Then in the case of Manila, I think many are using various kinds of line conditioner that also draws electric power. If your current line protections are already sufficient to carry the additional load from 32 to 42V Plasma, then good. Otherwise, you'd have to upgrade your AVR, UPS, surge protector, etc. to suit the capacity of the 42V plasma.
thats nice to hear .. overkill naman avr and surge protector ko, so its more than enough (1000 watts for both avr and surge protector) .. :D
By the way, the approximation is based on an average of 4.5 hours of daily usage. If you watch the TV longer than that, then the additional KWH per month is just arithmetic. Again this is just a approximation but it appears valid enough.ill keep you posted bro .. i will update my post within the next 2 months .. and hopefully we could comeup with a concrete computation .. :)
All those figures regarding annual KWH consumption of various makes, sizes and resolutions will be posted within this weekend.
ill keep you posted bro .. i will update my post within the next 2 months .. and hopefully we could comeup with a concrete computation .. :)
i replaced it with a 42" and planning to buy a 21" crt tv for my regular cable tv viewing .. :)
so ps3 and htpc nalang talaga yung 42" pana ko .. :)
Question Bros: Tinatamad kase akong mag-check.
Outside Japan, do any Plasma or LCD maker publish the "Annual Power Consumption in KWH" of their models based on guidelines set by the country(s)' Energy Conservation Act/Law, or is it only the rated maximum power draw in Watts?
If not, I can post some Japanese data based on Japanese Energy Conservation Laws for your own interpretations. It should give a better idea why some people can claim that plasma may be more energy efficient than an LCD. Or is it?
Why would you not use your plasma for regular cable TV? Laspagin mo sa gamit para masulit because Plasma and LCD techs keep on improving so fast. Well perhaps you need a 2nd TV for the family?
i just want to share this site...
http://www.techradar.com/news/television/hdtv/the-ultimate-guide-to-buying-an-hd-tv-490618?artc_pg=1
guys the panasonic 42pv8 and pv80 has a native resolution of 1024 x 768, while most lcd's has 1366 x 768. does the extra pixels of lcd's yield more detailed images?not necessarily, think of it as your 17" CRT vs 17" lcd monitor.
guys the panasonic 42pv8 and pv80 has a native resolution of 1024 x 768, while most lcd's has 1366 x 768. does the extra pixels of lcd's yield more detailed images?
sir iv'e read that you're using an lg 32" plasma for ps3 gaming. its native reso is 852 x 480, not sure though somewhat in that range. less detailed ba yung visuals ng games?you really have to see it yourself bro.
and lastly, hindi ba 4:3 aspect ratio ang 1024 x 768? how come their display is 16:9?
sir iv'e read that you're using an lg 32" plasma for ps3 gaming. its native reso is 852 x 480, not sure though somewhat in that range. less detailed ba yung visuals ng games?
and lastly, hindi ba 4:3 aspect ratio ang 1024 x 768? how come their display is 16:9?
If I recall correctly, 1024x768 plasmas use rectangular pixels.i wont correct you cause youre right ;)
that slightly highly resolution of the lcd that you mentioned, how can you spot its advantage over the lesser pixel count of a plasma?
that slightly highly resolution of the lcd that you mentioned, how can you spot its advantage over the lesser pixel count of a plasma?honestly .. i cant ..
... how can you spot its advantage over the lesser pixel count of a plasma?
tnx for the info barrister. since hd should be at least 1366x768, can we say that plasmas which has 1024x768 native as being edtv?
tnx for the info barrister. since hd should be at least 1366x768, can we say that plasmas which has 1024x768 native as being edtv?
CRT pa din ;)OT ka dito bro :D :D
OT ka dito bro :D :D
nice read btw ;)
my advise for soon to be buyers, go to the store and check them out yourselves ;)
nothing beats side by side comparison, before making a decision :D
Sir,
wag lang madadaya ng mga HD generators ha,...
Cheers....
;)
On a side note though, I like the word PLASMA...it sounds classy..."I have a PLAASS-MAAHHH". Doesn't that sound good? Let's say it again..."PLAASS-MAHHH". Much better than a robotic and almost Area-51-ish code breaker *beep* *beep* beep* "I have L-C-D" *beep* *beep* *beep* -end of transmission.
... However, the year 2008 saw a plethora of LCD units and models that are starting to rival Plasma in the area of it's well established and untouchable arena of picture quality. Contrast ratio and color reproduction of LCD's have improved immensely over a short period of time, that when I compare my brother's 2007 era Sammy M8 to the newer A650. You can't help but notice the strides in performance and quality of the 2008 A650 over the M8 (note that both Samsung units are FULL HD panels). ...
I recently saw a Samsung 52 inch A650 at Anson's near Podium and you're right ... PQ was really amazing.
The only caveat is that the customer has no idea what kind of video data is being displayed. You can't even see what kind of player is hooked up. It's definitely HD, but program material is a Samsung promo clip, not a commercial movie.
If that thing can play a commercial movie in a compressed DVD-5 disc while maintaining a similar picture quality, bilib na talaga ako. :o
I move over to the Panasonic displays. They're playing a standard DVD movie. PQ is terrible. Disc is probably a pirated local DVD-5; the pirate source seems to be an AVI to DVD convert with dropped frames due to faulty framerate conversion.
Comparing the Sammy LCD vs. the Panny plasma ---- the Sammy picture is astounding; the Panny picture is an embarrassing mess.
No wonder the average consumer avoids plasmas.
Sir, not to add to the fact na kahit mismong ang mga salesman ang naninira sa plasma,...
just another question, which does cost more to build..? An LCD or a Plasma..?
Sir, not to add to the fact na kahit mismong ang mga salesman ang naninira sa plasma,...
just another question, which does cost more to build..? An LCD or a Plasma..?
As far as I see it, it is a losing battle for our beloved Plasma,
the trend of the current market is on the LCDs,
besides nga po sa nasabi ninyo na patuloy na gumaganda ang quality ng mga panels nila ngayon.
Another question, if we talk about the price per inch factor, which panel wins..?
I mean, medyo malayo pa kasi ang pricing ng LCD and plasma right...?
saw demo of 42PV8 and 42PV80 at MOA. the PV8 panel was fed through HDMI and the PV80 with composite. i heard 1 bystander saying to the PV80 "ang pangit na nga ng video mas mahal pa". well what can i say.
Opposite case ko sa yo Carlo. My first HDTV was an LCD (Sharp) in 2005 because that time I really thought the PQ of Plasma sucked mainly because they were too dark, they lacked resolution, the meshed look was very very very very pronounced, and then most of the high def contents were variety shows, sports programs, TV dramas, and documentaries. Occasioanal palang yung high def movies on TV.
Paglabas ng 7 series ng Plasma resolution was no longer an issue provided you can afford the full HD panels and the meshed look was significantly reduced. But I personally thought the biggest leap of the Plasma so far was the 8 series of Panasonic when the PQ finally became "bright" enough, and of course, the Kuro last year. Tapos nasabayan ba ng adventures ko in the mkv world at the latter part of 2007.
Right now, I think lamang ang Plasma sa movies pero sa high def variety shows and sports programs - tabla. Bale depende sa type ng high def camera na ginagamit and sa lighting. Sa PC applications, LCD pa rin kase non reflective yung screen and mas comfortable kung maliwanag yung room. For high def gaming, subjective din whether type mo yung PC game look (LCD) or high def CRT look (without considering yung concerns about burn-in) so I'd consider it tabla too.
Regarding naming, sa Japan cool ang LCD. We call it EXIO here. So which sounds more star wars - PURASUMA or EKI-SHOU? ;D
BTW Carlo, dehins pumayag si Kumander about the CRT HDTV. It's not the offer (it was fair) but sa Philippines daw, talagang CRT pa rin sya for cable viewing and then yung PC for mkvs. Sorry. But to answer your enquiries, yes 220V, yes auto-channeling, yes 720p and 1080i through component video (fully tested with HD DVD movies and Xbox360 games - havent tested with mkvs though kase wala akong NMT)
Production costs are cheaper for plasma.
That's why big LCDs are much more expensive than a similar-sized plasma. It's not that the big LCDs are overpriced, it's just that they really are more expensive to produce.
with the new series going to be released by panasonic. i strongly believe that plasma will go beyond 2009. the world is in the financial crisis affecting all aspects of elelctronics. im sure the high cost of production for a single LCD panel will cause manufacturers to lessen their production.
Howdy Attorney. :) If this is the case, do you have any idea why a Samsung a650 52 inch lcd is 25k cheaper than a Panasonic PY800? :)
Kamusta brader ...
Full HD kasi ang PY800. It's harder to produce a full HD plasma panel, because each pixel, which is a cell that contains xenon and neon gas, would have to be made smaller on a 1080p panel.
On the other hand, it's easier to make small pixels on LCD screens, which can be as small as the screen on a cellphone.
Full HD is common for 52-inch LCDs. But for similar-sized plasmas, the common resolution is 1366 x 768. A full HD 50-inch plasma is already a high-end model.
There are other factors that can affect cost-selling price ratios. One of them is overproduction, which forces the manufacturer to sell at a loss in an effort to get rid of inventory.
Ang tindi sa detalye. ;) I had to ask this because both units are on a neck-to-neck battle in terms of PQ. I know you are a pro plasma. But If you were to choose between the two, which one would it be and why. I already had a long discussion with Carlo regarding this. Just wanna know your side. :)
Hehe^
Sir, based on your needs and because you raised the fact that you don't want any "eye-strain", then that alone should lead you to the plasma route=) I'm not saying the A650 is an inferior T.V, in fact it's very good but believe me the "softer" definition of plasma will tide you over.
I know you are a pro plasma. But If you were to choose between the two, which one would it be and why. I already had a long discussion with Carlo regarding this. Just wanna know your side. :)
I choose the Panasonic 50PY800.
Is this a Japan panel? If so, that's another reason why it's expensive.
My Panny EDTV is the last Japan-made entry-level 42-inch Viera plasma (9th gen.). No IR whatsover. Pero napansin ko, starting with the 10th gen models, naging IR-prone na naman ang Viera entry level plasmas. I think the PV7 & PV8 are Singapore-made.
Ano balita sa mga PY800 regarding IR? Less IR-prone than PV8, or pareho lang?
As for Sammy 52A650 vs Panny 50PY800, sa plasma pa rin ako, so I choose the Panny PY800.
An LCD's picture will be sharper than a plasma's, but sharpness is not always a good thing.
For videophiles, film grain is an integral part of the picture whenever it is intentionally present, and that grain must also be reproduced accurately. Plasma is better on that score because it gives a more accurate rendition of film grain than LCD.
On LCD, the picture is so sharp that even the film grain becomes sharper than intended, which tends to result in a picture that looks excessively grainy. That's probably why complaints about excessive film grain are more likely to come from LCD owners rather than plasma owners.
Another aspect is image depth, a quality that makes the picture look like it's almost 3D. The key to image depth is an accurate rendition of a blurred background, which plasma can easily do. But with LCD, the image is so sharp that even the background blur is sharpened, resulting in a shallower image that ruins what should have been a 3D-like illusion.
Plasma still has the green phosphor lag problem. But most people can't see this artifact. For the few who can see it, it's only a minor inconvenience.
On the other hand, LCD still has problems with uneven blacks due to the nature of its backlighting. For me, uneven blacks is not a minor inconveniece but a major limitation of the LCD format. Maybe the new LED backlight technology has solved the problem. I'm waiting for more reviews about LED backlighting on the web.
The reference image should be the image in a movie theater. Notice that a plasma's picture is still closer to film than an LCD. That's why I still prefer plasma.
Another aspect is image depth, a quality that makes the picture look like it's almost 3D. The key to image depth is an accurate rendition of a blurred background, which plasma can easily do. But with LCD, the image is so sharp that even the background blur is sharpened, resulting in a shallower image that ruins what should have been a 3D-like illusion.
I choose the Panasonic 50PY800.
Is this a Japan panel? If so, that's another reason why it's expensive.
My Panny EDTV is the last Japan-made entry-level 42-inch Viera plasma (9th gen.). No IR whatsover. Pero napansin ko, starting with the 10th gen models, naging IR-prone na naman ang Viera entry level plasmas. I think the PV7 & PV8 are Singapore-made.
Ano balita sa mga PY800 regarding IR? Less IR-prone than PV8, or pareho lang?
As for Sammy 52A650 vs Panny 50PY800, sa plasma pa rin ako, so I choose the Panny PY800.
An LCD's picture will be sharper than a plasma's, but sharpness is not always a good thing.
For videophiles, film grain is an integral part of the picture whenever it is intentionally present, and that grain must also be reproduced accurately. Plasma is better on that score because it gives a more accurate rendition of film grain than LCD.
On LCD, the picture is so sharp that even the film grain becomes sharper than intended, which tends to result in a picture that looks excessively grainy. That's probably why complaints about excessive film grain are more likely to come from LCD owners rather than plasma owners.
Another aspect is image depth, a quality that makes the picture look like it's almost 3D. The key to image depth is an accurate rendition of a blurred background, which plasma can easily do. But with LCD, the image is so sharp that even the background blur is sharpened, resulting in a shallower image that ruins what should have been a 3D-like illusion.
Plasma still has the green phosphor lag problem. But most people can't see this artifact. For the few who can see it, it's only a minor inconvenience.
On the other hand, LCD still has problems with uneven blacks due to the nature of its backlighting. For me, uneven blacks is not a minor inconveniece but a major limitation of the LCD format. Maybe the new LED backlight technology has solved the problem. I'm waiting for more reviews about LED backlighting on the web.
The reference image should be the image in a movie theater. Notice that a plasma's picture is still closer to film than an LCD. That's why I still prefer plasma.
Comparing both my PV80 and PY800, mas I.R senstive yung PV80.i think its either singapore or malaysia :)
@ninjababez
Just check the back of your unit, it will say there where it's made. Both the PV8 and 80 are made in Singapore while the PY800 is still made in Japan.
Eto di ko maintindihan. I have the HD DVD of King Kong and I swear the Kong looks more 3D on the Sharp LCD than on the Panasonic Plasma (PZ800). Parang lumalabas sa LCD screen si Kong. Mas conscious ako sa depth of field when I do photography.
Meron ba talagang plasma na walang IR?
Last December, I was looking to buy (deadset na) a Sony or Samsung LCD na. Searched endlessly on the web for reviews. Tested units na. Tumambay na sa halos lahat ng TV retailers in practically all the malls and asked the same questions again and again. Also, got good pricing for various models na (through direct sellers). Went to some of my friends din just to view their LCD units. Basta wala nang makakapigil kumbaga sa LCD budget ko, biling bili na ako.
Galit na nga missis ko dahil wala na akong bukang bibig kundi LCD LCD at LCD (parang dibidi dibidi dibidi na nga e)!
I ended up buying the Panasonic 42PV80 ;D.
Hehehe and I'm so happy with it!
Impressive! Kung ganon, magaling na nga pala talaga ang LCD, especially for HD video.
O baka mas bagay ang LCD pag CGI images?
Even in photography, sharpness is not always a good thing. In portrait shots, nilalagyan ko pa nga minsan ng konting Gaussian Blur sa Photoshop. Lalo na pag yung model mo ay hindi kagandahan ang cara, mas maganda ang effect pag medyo blurred, medyo natatago kasi ang katotohanan ... :D. But don't blur the eyes --- they should be very sharp.
Wala pa akong nakikitang IR sa plasma ko. Chine-check ko pa nga using the white screen sa plasma break-in disc, wala talaga.
Baka magkaroon din pag ginamit sa gaming, ewan ko lang.
Siguro nga lahat ng plasma may IR. Mas maganda sigurong sabihin na "less IR-prone" na lang ... ;D
Anyway, regarding your observation that the newer lower end plasma's are more I.R sensitive I believe that bec the boyfriend of my sister owns an 8th generation plasma model number PX500 and it's pretty darn tuff when it comes to I.R. We're guessing, is it bec of the panel? Or dahil matagal na yung lifespan ng plasma that's why it's more resistant?
Is this a Japan panel? If so, that's another reason why it's expensive.
My Panny EDTV is the last Japan-made entry-level 42-inch Viera plasma (9th gen.). No IR whatsover. Pero napansin ko, starting with the 10th gen models, naging IR-prone na naman ang Viera entry level plasmas. I think the PV7 & PV8 are Singapore-made.
Ano balita sa mga PY800 regarding IR? Less IR-prone than PV8, or pareho lang?
my 50pv70 is made in japan. does this panel (pv70) also prone to burn in?
i've read from other thread that there was a pv80 that was torture tested with a static image for 8 hours and it did not cause a permanent burn after the test. can the pv70 also survive this test?
i just hooked up an htpc (borrowed from my bro) to the plasma and started to like surfing with a bigger screen. now i wanted to build a simple pc just for web browsing (i'm using a popcorn for movies). am i not asking for trouble here? internet usage will average only about 2 hrs/day tops.
my 50pv70 is made in japan. does this panel (pv70) also prone to burn in?
i just hooked up an htpc (borrowed from my bro) to the plasma and started to like surfing with a bigger screen. now i wanted to build a simple pc just for web browsing (i'm using a popcorn for movies). am i not asking for trouble here? internet usage will average only about 2 hrs/day tops.
i've read from other thread that there was a pv80 that was torture tested with a static image for 8 hours and it did not cause a permanent burn after the test. can the pv70 also survive this test? i know that this is only a worst case scenario for me but this will put my mind at ease when using the panel for surfing.
regards,
weng
I think it's the panel. Maybe a hardware upgrade improved contrast ratio but at the same time adversely affected IR resistance.
IR-resistance couldn't have been caused by the age of the TV. Otherwise, they would have seen IR when it was new, then noticed that it became more IR-resistant as it aged.
In my case, no IR has ever been present on my TV, from the time I bought it until now.
Sir, this statement of yours really had me thinking so I went over to a friend who owns an older Panny model to see if my initial observation still holds true.
Tested a PS3 game Street Fighter 4 and we played for 2 hours on both my PV80 and the older PX500.
The PV80 had the life bars firmly imprinted on the screen, while the PX500 had a very feint imprint - That you'd need to close the lights and look at the screen closely to see the image.
I have read the PV's PY's but i have never seen anyone here say something about the PX's.
The reason why I asked is because my fiancee bought one and i have been reading about burn in times the lags and i don't want her to feel bad about her purchase..
I think you were referring to the test I made with our PV8, a few months back a similar test was done by my friend on his 50PV70 and the results were really very good. The PV70 did not have a burn-in issue and the image strangely washed away faster than our PV8.
Same thing,the PY800 also washed the "image" faster than both a PV80 and a PV8.
Carlo, where you able to checked the menu of PX500?
U.S. release such as (e.g. PX80) have anti-image retention feature (with submenu's)
I checked the PV's menu yesterday, it does not have the said feature (plus x.v. color, 3DYC, color matrix, black level)
yes sir carlo, it was your torture test i was referring to. good that you and your friend had tried the test also on a pv70 panel. now i'm going to build a cheap pc ;D
more power to you all ;)
this Plasma vs LCD thread will end when Panasonic stops manufacturing plasma panels for consumer use. ;)
sinamahan ko yung boss ko na super die hard fan ng LCD, kasi dito sa office, 6 kameng naka plasma, lagi nyang sinasabi " wala LCD pa din eh", punta kame s&s, he initially wanted the 46w ng sony, then nakita nya yung pana pv80 " ano un pre?" ah pana yun, plasma, itinabi sa full HD 46"w series ng sony, mas maganda pa din ang pq ni pana!
I would take that to mean that this thread would be endless. :) Maubos man plasma sa buong mundo, maiiwan ang Japan (parang MD), iba nga lang ang channel frequency. ;)mini disk?
sinamahan ko yung boss ko na super die hard fan ng LCD, kasi dito sa office, 6 kameng naka plasma, lagi nyang sinasabi " wala LCD pa din eh", punta kame s&s, he initially wanted the 46w ng sony, then nakita nya yung pana pv80 " ano un pre?" ah pana yun, plasma, itinabi sa full HD 46"w series ng sony, mas maganda pa din ang pq ni pana!
Preference natin ang plasma, pero ano ang opinion ni boss? Side by side na PV80 and Sony 46 LCD, mas gusto pa rin niya ang LCD?
Depende talaga sa tao yan e. Kung side by side na, mas gusto pa rin niya ang LCD, e di talagang yun na yon. :D
Kayo sir, if ever you'd buy a 2008 plasma what unit would you get? A PV8/80 or a PY800 and why? :)parang boy abunda lang bro ah :D
Thanks.
parang boy abunda lang bro ah :D
ei any chance of getting the new 1inch plasma? :D
Hmmm...One inch na plasma? I don't know, maybe if it eliminates the "green phosphor trails"? I really must see the unit first but I'll try to avoid it in anyway I can :D
i really consider myself lucky :)
i can imagine seeing something like that, btw i dont know if you already mentioned it before but does py800 have those too? if yes, is it the same level as the pv80/pv8?
Yup, the 800 has it too and it's funny to note that it's more obvious there then on the PV8 and 80. I also observed the trail is a lot less on the older models like the PV70 or PY700. I'm not sure but methinks the higher the contrast ratio the more noticeable it is. I know the PV70/PY700 has a base 10k contrast ratio and the PV8/80 has 15k. The PY800 clocks in at 30k just guessing, but this is my observation so far.nice observation bro. ill just stick with this hypothesis for now, plausible naman eh :)
Kayo sir, if ever you'd buy a 2008 plasma what unit would you get? A PV8/80 or a PY800 and why? :)
i think most pinoy dvders use plasma
the better pq through higher contrast ratio is excellent when watching dvd's and mkvs or bluray or whatever format you put in it, check the pv8/0 for good deals ;D
if you want, here are the 2 most sought after because of current pricing
panny 42pv8/0
sony 40s500
the panny's a plasma, and it only outputs 720p, but its 1,000,000 contrast ratio is excellent, read the reviews/ user comments available in the forum =)
the sony, well, its a full HD set for a very affordable price, there are alot of satisfied users in the forums as well =)
it basically boils down to preference again, pm our pdvd resellers to get good deals, or maybe you can schedule a viewing para you can choose what is better for you ;D
That's a refreshing viewpoint. Many new shoppers really don't want to hear about specs, which can understandably be annoying rather than interesting.
Good buddy trusted his eyes, but remember that performance changes with different program material and room lighting. How would they look like with SD DVD in a dark room? Until he sees the TV with his own program material in his own room, I can't say that he has really seen it.
It's true that they will be genuinely happy with their purchase, but the question is, for how long?
A new CRT is great, until you notice that the screen is just too small. A new LCD has a beautiful picture, until you notice the uneven black levels. A new plasma is fabulous, until you notice the green phosphor lag ... ;)
Research is important; but on the other hand, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, said Alexander Pope, who originally put it this way:
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again." (Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism, 1709)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierian_Spring
Either drink deep, or don't taste it at all. ;)
That's a refreshing viewpoint. Many new shoppers really don't want to hear about specs, which can understandably be annoying rather than interesting.
Good buddy trusted his eyes, but remember that performance changes with different program material and room lighting. How would they look like with SD DVD in a dark room? Until he sees the TV with his own program material in his own room, I can't say that he has really seen it.
It's true that they will be genuinely happy with their purchase, but the question is, for how long?
A new CRT is great, until you notice that the screen is just too small. A new LCD has a beautiful picture, until you notice the uneven black levels. A new plasma is fabulous, until you notice the green phosphor lag ... ;)
Research is important; but on the other hand, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, said Alexander Pope, who originally put it this way:
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again." (Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism, 1709)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierian_Spring
Either drink deep, or don't taste it at all. ;)
"Ignorance is bliss" ;D
I'm off to the U.S next week for a short vacation but what really makes me giddy is the idea of checking out those new Panny plasma models. Hope they're not too pretty for my wallets sake :)
Yeah^
Anyway, like I said it was just a refreshing thought. I'm off to the U.S next week for a short vacation but what really makes me giddy is the idea of checking out those new Panny plasma models. Hope they're not too pretty for my wallets sake :)
I'll do a quick impression of them as soon as possible and compare them with our 2008 models like the PV8/80 and 800.
As always, we'll wait for your review, sir ;Dhahaha sabi ko na eh ;D ;D
Happy trip! :)
Bon voyage!
... And don't forget to check out the Oppo DVD players! ;)
OT: Sure, I thought with the XDE500 I won't need to look at the Oppo brand but after buying the Tosh player today. I think I'd still need to check Oppo out.
@ninja&t33k0y
Thanks guys ;)
;) ;) ;)
Bon voyage!
... And don't forget to check out the Oppo DVD players! ;)
Better LCD ang alam ko sa Plasma ay nag-uubos na lang ng stocks kasi they are using Phosporous at may hindi magandang side effect ito and mas malakas sa kuryente. What I am using is LCD LG and I got a 50 resolution which is very much compatible sa aking digital TV. Sa abroad, wala na masyadong nagtitinda nyan.
(Taken from another forum)
QuoteBetter LCD ang alam ko sa Plasma ay nag-uubos na lang ng stocks kasi they are using Phosporous at may hindi magandang side effect ito and mas malakas sa kuryente. What I am using is LCD LG and I got a 50 resolution which is very much compatible sa aking digital TV. Sa abroad, wala na masyadong nag***nda nyan.
(Taken from another forum)
I am really surprised at what people say, just to bash plasma displays when they still clearly beat out LCDs in terms of picture quality. Yes, LED-backlit LCDs are catching up, but still not really in the realm of plasmas.
Plus, ano kaya yung ibig sabihin niya sa bolded sentence? :D Hindi ko naintindihan eh.
Using a watt-meter, I can't believe my Panasonic 50PV80 only uses an average of 25W power consumption. The reading constantly fluctuates depending on the scene...lowest is 15W usually when viewing cable tv and the highest peak I saw (not constant) is 250W for some scenes. By the way, my unit is rated 500W. Weird. :ofrom blued888
I just thought of something, since many of use were able to acquire a digital watt-meter (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=89987.0) from RXV (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17220), maybe we can start a list of common A/V gears and their corresponding actual power consumption?
Maybe list down standby, in use (estimated average), and peak ratings?
I'll start and will continuously add as I test other gear.
Brand/Model Standby In Use (Average) Peak Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver 40W (unit on, no volume) 60W 85W Elemental Designs A2-300 Subwoofer 13W (unit on, no input) 40W to 50W 135W LG 32PC5RA (Custom setting) 15W 50W to 70W 120W LG 32PC5RA (Game setting) 15W 65W to 80W 135W
Cite operating conditions you have used for equipment if applicable. Make multiple entries for multiple settings (i.e. for TVs, standard, dynamic, cinema, etc).
Yamaha RX-V663:
In use volume at -13.0dB, reference calibrated volume at -3.0dB.
0W when unit is powered down.
40W when unit is on, no volume.
LG 32PC5RA:
In use custom setting, 70 contrast, 50 everything else.
^ If I may ask, what's the power consumption with the TV on but with no signal (like hdmi1 but the player is not on), and what's the consumption if on standby?
Same here bro sardaukar, but mine has a cut-off switch pa before the AVRs and UPS so kahit nakasaksak sa outlet when turned off wala talaga kuryente pumapasok. Namana ko sa tatay ko... ;Dyou mean this one bro
Bon voyage!
... And don't forget to check out the Oppo DVD players! ;)
you mean this one bro
(http://www1.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_3501_1.jpg)
That looks neat!yes bro .. i think ace or DIY sells em cheap (under 150 pesos)
Can you buy that here?
how would power consumption compare between lcd and plasma that are both 32"?
sabi malakas sa koryente daw ang plasma? how big is the difference between the two?
how would power consumption compare between lcd and plasma that are both 32"?
sabi malakas sa koryente daw ang plasma? how big is the difference between the two?
Using a watt-meter, I can't believe my Panasonic 50PV80 only uses an average of 25W power consumption. The reading constantly fluctuates depending on the scene...lowest is 15W usually when viewing cable tv and the highest peak I saw (not constant) is 250W for some scenes. By the way, my unit is rated 500W. Weird. :ofrom blued888
I just thought of something, since many of use were able to acquire a digital watt-meter (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=89987.0) from RXV (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17220), maybe we can start a list of common A/V gears and their corresponding actual power consumption?
Maybe list down standby, in use (estimated average), and peak ratings?
I'll start and will continuously add as I test other gear.
Brand/Model Standby In Use (Average) Peak Yamaha RX-V663 Receiver 40W (unit on, no volume) 60W 85W Elemental Designs A2-300 Subwoofer 13W (unit on, no input) 40W to 50W 135W LG 32PC5RA (Custom setting) 15W 50W to 70W 120W LG 32PC5RA (Game setting) 15W 65W to 80W 135W
Cite operating conditions you have used for equipment if applicable. Make multiple entries for multiple settings (i.e. for TVs, standard, dynamic, cinema, etc).
Yamaha RX-V663:
In use volume at -13.0dB, reference calibrated volume at -3.0dB.
0W when unit is powered down.
40W when unit is on, no volume.
LG 32PC5RA:
In use custom setting, 70 contrast, 50 everything else.
Carlo777 galing ;)
Plasma. Period.
Hands down, nothing beats Plasma up to now.
actually the cons of the two technologies that Carlo777 posted are accurate. :D
it's just a matter of preference, btw ive heard that ledtv did not perform very well.
Carlo777 nakabili ka na ba ng LEDtv? if yes, review naman jan ;D ;D
Plasma. Period.
Hands down, nothing beats Plasma up to now.
add ko lang, if you have kids who would be the ones watching cartoons on cable TV and DVD, LCD is the way to go as they're better for well-lighted rooms, lower electricity bills, longer bulb life, etc.
my 2 cents lang po..
It's a mix bag, that advances in certain areas and strangely moves back on some. Bottom line, I was not too happy about the demo. Not that the Sammy LED was a bad T.V, it's just that the asking price does not justify the "advances" you get from this new technology.
Waiting for the G10, or maybe check the Sony line up again before I decide...
Anyway,if you still have your PV80, I'd say na it's still a solid "band player" despite these new 2009 T.V's coming out.
As long as at the end of the day we're happy with what we have - A good buy is a "period" in our buying sentences and an excellent viewing run is a "hands down" winner to anyone who is satisfied with the picture quality he/she just watched. Regardless, of what technology pumped out that picture...Happy viewing!
I've backread until the 3rd qtr 2008 pages, but was unable to get a comparison for TV viewing between plasma and lcd. (or baka naduduling lang ako.) Can anyone give any thoughts on this?
The shocking conclusion is that only one person at a time can see accurate color reproduction on a direct-view LCD HDTV, even on top-of-the-line units from the top manufacturers. Even when viewers are seated close together side-by-side, each person will see a different picture with noticeably different coloration. On the other hand, Plasma displays deliver very close to true 180 degree (±90 degree) viewing, the same as traditional CRT monitors. There is very little change in brightness, contrast, hue, or color saturation over the entire 180 degree viewing area.
Read more at DisplayMate (http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Plasma_ShootOut.htm). Great info which cements the superiority of plasma displays in color reproduction, black levels, and viewing angles.
I've a problem. I never had a plasma TV but there is a plasma TV I currently like, the 50c10. I shy away from plasma because of 'issues' I read in the past (burn in, image retention, shorter life span) for this reason I've always been an LCD fanboy :)
my plasma brothers... I know.. I know those are 'misconceptions' and 'myths' and that the technology has advance since 2006 (the last time I even consider a plasma :)) but has it, how are post 2006 plasmas holding up?
some (dumb) questions.
1) about IR, if I forget about it.. will it go away on its own? I read a 2005 article saying that for the IR to go away, the TV has to play a, for the lack of better term, 'washing image' for hours. Is this true?
2) burn in are still necessary? even for newer models, say, pv80, c10, s10.
2.1) What happens if I don't observe proper burn in procedures?
3) Will IR eventually lead to burn in if I don't take care of it (I mean 'wash it').
4) Our living room is quite bright and in this lighting condition, LCD seem to have held up. Will plasma?
any inputs will be greatly appreciated ;)
Just want to say thanks for all the useful information here. We're planning to buy the 42C10 soon.
Hello everyone,
This is another Plasma vs LCD dilemma. We need something that will be primarily used for PS3 duties. I did research about this topic a couple of years ago when I purchased my TV but everything is so different today. I know that LCD is better for console gaming because it wont have any image retention but sales guys are telling me that Plasma is the way to go. Gone are the days where plasma is known for image retention, high power consumption and shorter life (vs LCD).
Is this really true? If so, why are some major companies phasing out plasma technology in favor of LCD?
Hello everyone,
Is this really true? If so, why are some major companies phasing out plasma technology in favor of LCD?
3) While the plasma PQ is great, full HD LCD (or even 1080i) is not far behind. In fact, if I don't look closely I can't tell the difference.
4) I'm an LCD fanboy :)
But then I have only owned 2 LCDs (not counting LCD monitors) so I'm no expert. I wanted to try plasma BUT...
Gurus, am I missing something by not getting a plasma? The main reason why I opted for an LCD (still) is that I decided to buy a 42 incher instead of a 50. I figured the 'plasma PQ advantage' will only manifest on screens 50 and larger, at least that is what my auditions tell me... wrong or right decision? your thoughts guys.
Am I missing something by not getting a plasma? The main reason why I opted for an LCD (still) is that I decided to buy a 42 incher instead of a 50.
After going around shops for audition I've decided to go for...... full HD LCD instead of taking the (first) plunge at plasma. My reasons:
1) Plasma issues, IR, burnouts, phosphor lag, need for burn-ins (still) scares me, or rather, makes me feel uneasy. Although, in my auditions, I have not encountered any of the issues I mentioned.
2) Several members mentioned issues on reflectiveness and/or not pleasant on bright rooms. I've taken note of this and find LCD to be most suited for my needs/application.
3) While the plasma PQ is great, full HD LCD (or even 1080i) is not far behind. In fact, if I don't look closely I can't tell the difference.
4) I'm an LCD fanboy :)
But then I have only owned 2 LCDs (not counting LCD monitors) so I'm no expert. I wanted to try plasma BUT...
Gurus, am I missing something by not getting a plasma? The main reason why I opted for an LCD (still) is that I decided to buy a 42 incher instead of a 50. I figured the 'plasma PQ advantage' will only manifest on screens 50 and larger, at least that is what my auditions tell me... wrong or right decision? your thoughts guys.
The new Panny plasmas consume less electricity than Panny LCDs?
Hindi niya alam, a new Panny plasma can consume even more electricity than an old Panny plasma.
Year model 2008 -- 42PV80: 335W --- not NeoPDP;
Year model 2009 -- 42G11: 445W --- NeoPDP.
He was probably misinformed about the new NeoPDP panels.
The marketing line is that the NeoPDP has a higher contrast ratio yet consumes less electricity than the previous models.
Well, that's not the whole story. That's true only if you limit the comparison to 1080p panels.
Hence, comparing two 1080p plasmas:
Year model 2008 -- 42PY800: 475W --- not NeoPDP;
Year model 2009 -- 42G11: 445W --- NeoPDP.
C10 consumes less electricity. Mas power efficient talaga ang 2009 models, as long as you compare units with similar sizes and native resolutions.
Year model 2009 -- 42C10: 285W --- not NeoPDP.
Year model 2008 -- 42PV80: 335W --- not NeoPDP.
It's not true that a NeoPDP will consume less electricity than any previous Panny plasma of similar size regardless of native resolution.
Lalo namang hindi totoo na ang bagong Panny plasma ay mas power efficient pa sa Panny LCD.
C10 consumes less electricity. Mas power efficient talaga ang 2009 models, as long as you compare units with similar sizes and native resolutions.
Year model 2009 -- 42C10: 285W --- not NeoPDP.
Year model 2008 -- 42PV80: 335W --- not NeoPDP.
It's not true that a NeoPDP will consume less electricity than any previous Panny plasma of similar size regardless of native resolution.
Lalo namang hindi totoo na ang bagong Panny plasma ay mas power efficient pa sa Panny LCD.
Sir, whats the diff naman between your 50C10 and last year's 50PV80 re power consumption?
Did you notice any increase in your electric bill coming from a 42 inch?
No need to worry. Noticeable power consumption increases don't come from flat panel TVs, they come from airconditioners.yeah im a believer narin bro ;D
Is this a general characteristic of plasma TV's, that they are able to clear up the image or does the Panasonic plasmas just need less signal to give a good image? Night and day difference talaga eh. I thought that plasmas would render less pixelized pictures but I didn't expect to have some of the interference caused by the weak (actually too strong daw sabi ng cable operator) signal.
The best plasma vs the best LCD:
The king of televisions: Pioneer's KURO plasma vs Samsung's Series 8 LED TV
We pit the best LED TV on the market against the best plasma TV
Campbell Simpson (Good Gear Guide) 12/08/2009 16:40:00
The Achilles heel of the UA46B8000, though, is backlight cloudiness in super-dark scenes. If there’s only a pin-prick of light on the screen — the light at the end of a train tunnel, for example — the LED edge-lighting shows up as slightly brighter cloudy areas around the screen’s edges.
compared to a very old lcdtv model ('06-'07), syempre laki talaga ng difference sa PQ :D
im also proud a plasma owner, but your comparison was a bit unfair. pero ok narin yan atleast maganda yung naging upgrade path mo :) yan ang tinatawag na worth every penny upgrade ;)
I have personally tested Gaming on an LCD vs Plasma Panel and I could say LCD wins.
LCD used was a Bravia 32 inch V1 (2006 Model) and a Pana 42C10 Plasma.
Same PS3, same connection (via Component only), same Game (LBP).
The LCD gave luscious and bright colors and a sharp edge whilst darker and quite soft edge naman sa Plasma.
Pero sa Movies and Cable, taob talaga si LCD sa Plasma.
We can therefore say that you should get LCD or Plasma depending on your intended use.
So if you have the moolah, a separate setup dapat - a Plasma for your Movies and LCD for Gaming. Masyado magastos. ;D
mga sir ask ko lang me mga plasma na nasa 32" lang laki?
sir carlo, how can i see the phospor lag?
i play pc games at my plasma, cod4, left4dead, fallout etc
why i can't see that phosphor lag thing...
Meron siyang YouTube video na ginawa to demonstrate the green phosphor lag. Maybe he can point you to the link once he gets to read this.
as i remember, the game was ninja gaiden.
as of now, i don't have a ps3 yet.
good thing, i can't see that phosphor lag thing. ;D
Is the phosphor lag for plasmas something you could get used to or minimize by calibrating some settings? Im thinking of switching to plasma from my older LCD TV.
I just noticed recently my TV suffers from horizontal/vertical banding which seems to be getting worse, especially scenes with dull backgrounds (grey walls, skies) . I thought it was some kind of image retention, but after some research I'm convinced it's more of an issue with back-light being uneven. Now its hard for me to watch anything without obsessing about the lines.
Everything I'm hearing about plasma (better pq, black levels and colors) seems to be a reason for me to try it out, I'm just thinking that this phosphor lag issue might just be another thing that will keep me from enjoying movies.
Trying to decide between buying a better LCD TV or switching to Plasma. I use my TV for watching movies/dvds 70% of the time, pc gaming 20% and maybe surfing 10% of the time.
Meron siyang YouTube video na ginawa to demonstrate the green phosphor lag. Maybe he can point you to the link once he gets to read this.
A recurring PM I get is almost always about the phosphor lag. Luckily, I still have the video I made about the lag, and took the liberty of uploading it on a Youtube account.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm63BEhHWUk
Hopefully, this will show you guys what to look for, and I'll also be taking a video of the lag on the C10, if it's as noticeable as it was on older models.
;)
That's right, you really have to see the TV in person before you can decide.
Remember that on the YouTube vid, you're not looking at the actual green trails --- you're merely looking at a video of the green trails.
If the video cam is introducing its own artifacts, the green trails as recorded on the YouTube vid might look worse than the actual green trails in real life.
But for those who have difficulty seeing the green trails, sir Carlo's YouTube vid is very helpful for the purpose of demonstrating, with reasonable accuracy, how the phosphor lag should look like.
... POST UPDATE: barrister is right, the lag, actually looks worst on video then in real life. ...
No, phosphor lag is not affected by calibration; but yes, phosphor lag is one of those things that you eventually get used to.
Plasma cells have red, green and blue phosphor coatings. There is a slight difference in each phosphor's excitation/ decay times, with green being the slowest. The slower speed of green phosphors causes green fringing, especially on fast-moving areas with high contrast.
The solution is to manufacture a panel with faster green phosphors. No amount of calibration will help.
Maybe the screen uniformity issue on your set is not really getting worse. It's just that you have become more familiar with the issue, and you now know the types of scenes wherein the problem will be most obvious.
Older plasma panels had worse phosphor lag issues, but the 2009 Panasonics have virtually eliminated the problem.
Some people are more sensititve to phosphor lag than others. Most people cannot see phosphor lag even on the old plasma models. On the other hand, some people can still see phosphor lag even on 2009 Panasonic plasmas.
On my Panny 50C10 (2009 model), I can still see some slight phosphor lag on movies, but it's now so slight that I can hardly find it anymore even if I tried. Maybe it's worse on games, but I haven't tried it yet since I don't game.
There's no way to predict how sensitive your eyes will be to phosphor lag. You will have to audition a model you like, then see for yourself. There's just no way around it.
For gaming and surfing, I think LCD is better.
For movies, it will depend on personal preference:
- If you like watching in a dark room, plasma will be much better. In a dark room, plasma will have blacker black levels and near-perfect screen uniformity, while LCD will have lighter black levels and more obvious screen uniformity issues.
- If you want an extremely sharp and detailed picture with "pop", then LCD is for you. But if you want your picture to look as close as possible to film in a cinema, then it has to be a plasma.
When looking at Plasmas, also check if you can notice any flicker. Most current Plasmas refresh fast enough that it's almost imperceptible, but it's there. Some people notice it, some people don't. It makes me teary with some panels, but don't usually get bothered by it with most others. If you notice it enough, it will eventually cause eyestrain.
Any suggestions on LCD TVs with good black levels and no history of screen uniformity?
Yes flicker is noticeable on PV80. ...
When looking at Plasmas, also check if you can notice any flicker. Most current Plasmas refresh fast enough that it's almost imperceptible, but it's there. Some people notice it, some people don't. It makes me teary with some panels, but don't usually get bothered by it with most others. If you notice it enough, it will eventually cause eyestrain.
Thanks for the posts. I didn't think any member had problems with plasma flicker.
I am not sensitive to flicker, and I don't see flicker even on traditional 60Hz CRT TVs. Panny 2009 plasmas have a very high frequency of 600Hz, so I was surprised to learn that some members see flicker on those units.
Here are pics (4 frames) from photographer swiftbennett showing plasma flicker:
(http://www.swiftbennett.com/images/4081/SBP_1066.gif)
At a shutter speed of 1/1000 sec. from the camera, the plasma sets show flicker, but the LCD sets are flicker-free.
I haven't noticed any flickering both on the plasma and the LCD, and I thought Im quite sensitive to CRT flicker already.
Pardon the ignorance guys,
I already used the SEARCH function of the forum,
may discussion na ba tayo dito about LED TVs..?
ABC
Meron di sir, pero konti lang yata ang interesado:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97832.0
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=96404.0
Hi guys still having some trouble on what to choose between plasma or lcd because of these issues, hope you can help me out..
Plasma Users
* is burn-in or image retention still an issue on 2009 plasma models??
* is it really required to do an initial burn-in for 100hrs? and after that does it mean that I won't be experience any image retention anymore?
LCD Users
* is back light bleeding were in there are uneven bright spots across the screen a big issue? I mean does it really hunt all of LCD tvs and are there no LCD tvs that is safe from it?
Thanks
Plasma Users
* is burn-in or image retention still an issue on 2009 plasma models??
* is it really required to do an initial burn-in for 100hrs? and after that does it mean that I won't be experience any image retention anymore?
LCD Users
* is back light bleeding were in there are uneven bright spots across the screen a big issue? I mean does it really hunt all of LCD tvs and are there no LCD tvs that is safe from it?
Burn-in is not an issue. But image retention is still an issue.
Break-in is not required, but it's recommended.
Break-in does not affect image retention, but break-in reduces the likelihood of burn-in.
(you must know the difference between burn-in and image retention to understand the above principles)
All LCDs are affected by screen uniformity issues.
Uniformity problems are most noticeable when viewing dark scenes in a dark room.
One more question.. The Burn-In is the one that goes permanent on plasmas right? and Image Retentions are the one that can be removed by washing away?
Got messed up on some articles online saying Burn-In or Image Retention so I thought they're just the same.
question mga sir: kung 80% for cable and movie viewing, and 20% for gaming - advisable bang plasma pa din ang kunin?
For cable, without a shadow of a doubt...
Plasma!
The soft picture definition of plasma tends to hide the imperfections of our local broadcast, while the brilliance of LCD just exposes them further.
For cable, without a shadow of a doubt...
Plasma!
The soft picture definition of plasma tends to hide the imperfections of our local broadcast, while the brilliance of LCD just exposes them further.
well... mukhang majority is plasma for movie & SD/TV. LCD for gamingcorrect..your eyes will decide...and your money will also decide plus...overall its you who will decide.. :D
share ko lang experience ko.. kung bakit LCD ako bumagsak.
first - 9feet away yong seat to watch cable (25%) & movies (75% for BD & DVD upscaling) and
2nd - I plan to buy 50" up which I really like..
-- well parang mali diba.. 9feet away with 50"up parang nakakahilo, masakit sa mata at aantukin ka. (considering my eye vision is 20/20)
Plasma:for plasma target ko talaga yong Toshiba and Pana. well hindi na meet ng eye viewing ko.. ok malinaw maganda rin color quality (using my own BD - ) but naduduling ako at parang may kulang. we change the settings.. still not meet my eyes.
LCD: Philips, Sony (w series) & Sharp (77M)
I tested the Philis 47" .. as in ganda talaga that meet my eyes need 9feet away. factory setting lang ok na yong brightness & contras.. as in true color talaga.. but the price ng 47" ang mahal same n ng Sony & sharp 52"
Sharp 52" .. wow medyo mas ok yong brightness & contrass.. the flow ng action (casino royal.. .first part ng chasing..) talaga same nong philips.. medyo na kakahilo pa nga yong philips hehehe.
Sony - need ko pa umatras 6feet more .. simula pa lang hilo na ako... pero ang linaw yong color lang mas yadong matingkad.
well.. my bottomline is depende sa mata, requirements (e.g location) at kung anong brand ma meet needs mo. I'm not saying ok ang LCD.. depende eh. well nong nong nasa bahay na.. cable testing.. kasing linaw ng old philips HD pixel plus TV (not LCD/& not plasma).
If you are looking for PQ that's similar to the cinema in terms of saturation, color balance, sharpness, etc... lamang ang plasma, coz it has the soft and warm flavor to the image. But i don't think it has the resolution of the LCD, so for me, for BluRay and other Full HD sources, LCD beats plasma. I'm not just referring to pixel resolution here, but the actual details in the image. Side-by-side, the plasma looks softened on HD, particularly when there are small texts in the image. PS3 also looks sharper on an LCD.
For image as big as in the cinema, softening and image warmth is necessary. Imagine mo na lang gaano kabilis ka mahihilo sa sine kung naging very sharp and brilliant ang picture! Also, with image that big, details don't get lost by a slight softening, dahil malaki sobra. But for home viewing (except projectors), the image size-to-distance ratio is not normally as big as in the cinema, therefore IMHO if you need the same details as in the cinema, you need an LCD for its superior resolution. But I assume BluRay or other good source material, and not cable TV (which has flaws that are just revealed quite badly by resolution). However, details vs. color is still an endless debate, and boils down to personal taste.
But this is in general, and based only on the LCDs and plasmas I've checked out. There could be exceptions.
If you are looking for PQ that's similar to the cinema in terms of saturation, color balance, sharpness, etc... lamang ang plasma, coz it has the soft and warm flavor to the image. But i don't think it has the resolution of the LCD, so for me, for BluRay and other Full HD sources, LCD beats plasma. I'm not just referring to pixel resolution here, but the actual details in the image. Side-by-side, the plasma looks softened on HD, particularly when there are small texts in the image. PS3 also looks sharper on an LCD.
For image as big as in the cinema, softening and image warmth is necessary. Imagine mo na lang gaano kabilis ka mahihilo sa sine kung naging very sharp and brilliant ang picture! Also, with image that big, details don't get lost by a slight softening, dahil malaki sobra. But for home viewing (except projectors), the image size-to-distance ratio is not normally as big as in the cinema, therefore IMHO if you need the same details as in the cinema, you need an LCD for its superior resolution. But I assume BluRay or other good source material, and not cable TV (which has flaws that are just revealed quite badly by resolution). However, details vs. color is still an endless debate, and boils down to personal taste.
But this is in general, and based only on the LCDs and plasmas I've checked out. There could be exceptions.
Compared LG 42LH70 1080p to pana plasma 42c10 720p yesterday side by side at my friend's house.Tama ka dyan sir. ganyan din yung napansin ko sa panasonic plasma ko against sa lg. Ang napansin ko lalo na sa angle. ayan ang advantage ng plasma sa lcd.
For PC use definitely the LG won because of resolution advantage.
Using Media Tank playing 720p & 1080p movies, 700mb Divx Avi files, Cable viewing,
we all decided the PANA 42c10 Won. Why?
Picture on LG 42lh70 look very sharp with true motion feature but it strained our eyes.
It's just good for demo. But if youre willing to spend 2 hours for a movie, better to turn it off (true motion).
While on PANA 42c10 everything look soft, smooth, and better frames.
Mas masarap at enjoy manuod sa Plasma.
for me LCD --> PC USE
PLASMA ---> Movies & cable.
Di namin natest gaming (ps3)..
Compared LG 42LH70 1080p to pana plasma 42c10 720p yesterday side by side at my friend's house.
For PC use definitely the LG won because of resolution advantage.
Using Media Tank playing 720p & 1080p movies, 700mb Divx Avi files, Cable viewing,
we all decided the PANA 42c10 Won. Why?
Picture on LG 42lh70 look very sharp with true motion feature but it strained our eyes.
It's just good for demo. But if youre willing to spend 2 hours for a movie, better to turn it off (true motion).
While on PANA 42c10 everything look soft, smooth, and better frames.
Mas masarap at enjoy manuod sa Plasma.
for me LCD --> PC USE
PLASMA ---> Movies & cable.
Di namin natest gaming (ps3)..
Ganda ng timing pag browse ko nito. I just came from a couple of appliance stores to find a replacement for my "old" Sammy 37R81. Both units are on sale here sa Davao. A little downpayment, tapos zero interest installment sa balance. I got quite confused sa specs kaya di muna ako nagdecide. Comparing them:plasma :)
1) Pana 42c10 has 720p (1080i) similar to my Sammy (so parang walang upgrade) compared to the 1080p full HD ng LG 42lh70.
2) Contrast Ratio of the Panasonic is 2,000,000:1 while sa LG is 100,000:1)
I wasn't able to make a side by side comparison dahil magkaiba ang tindahan, kaya I appreciate advice from those who have both, or have compared them side by side. I use my TV for DVD and BD movies (50%), low resolution quality cable viewing (45%) and ps3 games (5%).
panasonic VIERA TH-P50S10S o LG 47SL90
For babad viewing sa dining room or living room ng houselalo na sa iniiwan nakasindi
or yung TV na iniiwan lang nakasindi the entire day
nilalaruan ng game console
A little reverse psychology:
Why I would not buy a plasma:
-More reflective than LCD
-Green phosphor trails annoy me, esp during high contrast scenes
-Uses up more power than your average LCD of the same size
-Threat of permanent image retention still looms during heavy rounds of gaming
Why I would not buy an LCD
-Generally weaker in the area of Cable viewing, and at times, can't even be at par with CRT (raptor pointed this out and I agree 100%)
-Screen uniformity is always an issue, even very expensive models are not spared at times
-More prone to dead pixels
-More often, bleeds overly bright pictures making colors unnatural.
There you go...
Now let's see if this is true:guilty, only because there is no 32" or 26" plasma in our market ;)
1. Most of those who bought a plasma as their 1st HDTV, would buy an LCD/LED TV as their other HDTV.
2. Most of those who bought an LCD/LED TV as their 1st HDTV, would not be buying a plasma as their other HDTV.Possible reason for the above:
1. For their other purpose like PC and console gaming, they would need an LCD/LED TV, which cannot be served by a plasma.
2. Most of them don't believe in getting a plasma, as an LCD/LED TV would be able to serve all of their requirements.
Do note that I am referring to "Most".
2. Most of those who bought an LCD/LED TV as their 1st HDTV, would not be buying a plasma as their other HDTV
i think im not belong to the "most", since my first unit is a 42" Panny plasma, 2nd one is a 42" Sony full HD LCD, then bought again a 50" fullhd plasma... why? i am not happy with the LCD, plasma serves what im looking for, that's just for me at the very least. :)
Now let's see if this is true:
1. Most of those who bought a plasma as their 1st HDTV, would buy an LCD/LED TV as their other HDTV.
2. Most of those who bought an LCD/LED TV as their 1st HDTV, would not be buying a plasma as their other HDTV.
Possible reason for the above:
1. For their other purpose like PC and console gaming, they would need an LCD/LED TV, which cannot be served by a plasma.
2. Most of them don't believe in getting a plasma, as an LCD/LED TV would be able to serve all of their requirements.
Do note that I am referring to "Most".
Do you have a link on this? Is this a survey done somewhere?
i would not waste my money going from 42" to 50". i'd buy a DLP PJ.
unless i get burned by image burn, i can't see myself going from plasma to lcd.
i would not waste my money going from 42" to 50". i'd buy a DLP PJ.
Whatever happened to buying HDTV to watch TV?
Whatever happened to watching TV on an HDTV?
Mga sirs di pa ba ma phase-out yun plasma? Will LED reign in the coming years?
Dalawa na lang ata manufacturer ng plasma pioneer at panasonic, (LG). Why Sony,Samsung,Toshiba and others abandon plasma?
Dalawa na lang ata manufacturer ng plasma pioneer at panasonic, (LG). Why Sony,Samsung,Toshiba and others abandon plasma?
If I remember correctly, last time I read somewhere that Pioneer had stopped producing Plasma HDTVs. And had passed on the technology/subcontract production to Panasonic. Am I mistaken here?
Yes you remembered it right!
I know also that Samsung still have Plasmas. I don't know if they still have mew models. Same with LG. Might be because they do sell more LCD/LED HDTVs than Plasma HDTVs. That is why their Plasmas took a back seat.
IIRC they are still selling plasma tvs.
If I remember correctly, last time I read somewhere that Pioneer had stopped producing Plasma HDTVs. And had passed on the technology/subcontract production to Panasonic. Am I mistaken here?
Mga sirs di pa ba ma phase-out yun plasma? Will LED reign in the coming years?
Dalawa na lang ata manufacturer ng plasma pioneer at panasonic, (LG). Why Sony,Samsung,Toshiba and others abandon plasma?
5. I've heard that plasma TVs can "burn-in" over time. What is "burn-in" exactly, and is it really a concern?
"Burn-in," or image retention, is an uneven aging of the phosphors in a display device, can occur on any display that uses phosphors to generate an image, including tube TVs, projection TVs that use CRTs, and plasma TVs. Such uneven aging happens when bright, static images are left onscreen for an extended period of time, which can leave a visible "shadow" effect.
Improvements in panel service life to over 60,000 hours have minimized the risk of image retention. In addition, screen savers, pixel shifting, and brightness level adjustments can dramatically reduce any chance of image retention. Use common sense when it comes to your plasma TV; don't pause video games or watch TV stations with station logos onscreen for long periods of time, and use one of the many display calibration DVDs available today for properly setting brightness and contrast.
The rule of thumb: if you don't worry about your traditional tube TV, you don't have to worry about a Panasonic plasma TV.
Dont get confuse with LCD and LED tv it still the same LEDtv are also an LCDtv which uses LED bulbs in waking-up the crystals instead of flourecent bulbs in the previous versions of LCD, LEDlit LCDs have more improve contrast giving much richer black than before. Nagkaproblema lang sa pag ma-market, ni label nilang LED kaya naging generic name tuloy na LEDtv but its still an LCD, it suppose to be "LEDlit LCDs". Ang true LED display ay ung ginagamit na movie billboard sa Mercurydrug Quiapo at ung sa may CCP.
My honest opinion.
Static images, videogame images, computer images (resist burn in for static images, you can play for long hours even with static images in videogaming, colors are there but not as accurate as plasma, but LEDlit LCD is an improvement compared to the elder LCDs., less power consumption good for non stop videogaming hehe without worrying your electric bill, thin and lighter compare to Plasma, and old model LCDs. with improve viewing angle compared to previous LCDs)
-LEDlit LCDs.
purely movie-any source dvd, blueray, NMT (true to life colors, accurate picture geometry wider viewing angles)
-Plasma
not sure if applicable for all, but led tvs have higher power consumption ratings than lcd tvs. at least, based on lg. plasma of course is much higher than led and lcd. :)
Depende sa grade ng model. The higher you get, the smaller the difference.
In fact, I was sitting between a Panasonic 65VT2 and a Sony 60LX900 last Sunday. Both 3D, both the highest of the highest of best...hehehe. One of the things that caught my attention was this:
65VT2: 240kWh/year
60LX900: 230kWh/year
Take note of the bigger Plasma size. So I checked the 58VT2 as well - 235kWh/year. Practically no difference di ba. So when comparing power consumptions between LCDs and Plasmas, make sure you're comparing models of the same grades. Wink wink.
Depende sa grade ng model. The higher you get, the smaller the difference.
In fact, I was sitting between a Panasonic 65VT2 and a Sony 60LX900 last Sunday. Both 3D, both the highest of the highest of best...hehehe. One of the things that caught my attention was this:
65VT2: 240kWh/year
60LX900: 230kWh/year
Take note of the bigger Plasma size. So I checked the 58VT2 as well - 235kWh/year. Practically no difference di ba. So when comparing power consumptions between LCDs and Plasmas, make sure you're comparing models of the same grades. Wink wink.
Ahhh, the never ending debate on which is better,...there are actually a lot articles online about this. none is actually "better" overall, each performs best depending on use/conditions. :)
UHDTV is not only 2x the resolution of HDTV. It's actually 16x, with a resolution of 7,680 × 4,320 pixels.
UHDTV is old and new at the same time. It's old because the first demo was shown as early as 2003. It's new because until now, it's still in the experimental stage.
Malabo pa ang UHDTV. Hindi pa dapat binibigyan ng pansin.
:)Yup mukahang matagal pa ito, DVD is still at market, and CRT still sells, local TV broadcasting here is not HD only some in cable Blue rays at the moment doesnt dominate dvds.
LCD looks better in 3D, if anyone cares about 3D. Same-same kami ng verdict ng Wife last Sunday. Sony Bravia and Sharp Quattron over the Panasonic VT2 when it comes to 3D.
Sabi ng pinsan ko "bakit daw plasma binili ko, luma na daw yun". Pero nung nakita nyang nakasalang ang isang 720p na movie (the house of flying daggers) nagulat sya sa ganda ng kulay hehe..
Kung tutuusin mas mahal na technology ang plasma, since malakas ang lcd sa market bumaba ang presyo ng plasma kaya nagmukhang 2nd to LCDtvs, pero durabilty, PQ - plasma ang winner dito!
san mo nakita yong sharp quatrron 3d? ang alam ko 64" up yong 3d below 62 2d na lang.
Pioneer licensed the Elite brand to Sharp earlier this year, gaining at least the title of one the most highly respected line of HDTVs ever to be produced.
Assuming I have it in my room and with no aircon
after reading this very interesting thread, gusto ko lang magtanung.
I was eyeing on Pana 42x30 plasma for P25k, and I'll be using the TV for movies, gaming (PS3) and cable tv
Exclude the power consumption; would it be a good choice?
Durability, heat dissipation and IR, what can you say about it?
Assuming I have it in my room and with no aircon
Your thoughts?
Sabi ng kaibigan ko mas mura na daw ang plasma ngayon over LCD/LED? Meron daw sa mga appliance stores. Is this true?
Ang sabi naman ng mga salesmen ng mga appliance stores eh phase out technology na ang plasma kaya mura nalang. :P
And then halos wala nang significant change sa 720p models since 2007 except for more and more shiny panels and less and less speaker system.lower power consumption :)
Definitely plasma! 1st time plasma user here been an LCD fan for a long time, after setting up my plasma to check the PQ I got so pissed! You know why? Because I questioned my self why didn't I get a plasma before and opted for an LCD.
after reading this very interesting thread, gusto ko lang magtanung.You don't need to buy aircon if you choose plasma :D. :D :D :D pana 42x20 gamit ko, hindi naman sya mainit at normal lang naman basta maganda yung ventillation mo. Bili na!!! hindi ka magsisisi.
I was eyeing on Pana 42x30 plasma for P25k, and I'll be using the TV for movies, gaming (PS3) and cable tv
Exclude the power consumption; would it be a good choice?
Durability, heat dissipation and IR, what can you say about it?
Assuming I have it in my room and with no aircon
Your thoughts?
Panasonic Plasma Insider's Thread - 2012 Edition :this is very good news :D
http://www.highdefjunkies.com/showthread.php?11865-Panasonic-Plasma-Insider-s-Thread-2012-Edition
No specifics, just vague hints. But it looks like 2012 will be a good year for panny. New frame designs, new driving scheme. Insider avjunkie says:
ok lets hint this answer now. its nov and darth cardo needs a thrill haha.. driving scheme for 2012...wait for it.. we will have a new driving scheme for our 2012 line.in addition to many new advancements in the panel. filter. etc..its all brand new!! not tweaked!! and it looks stunning.
Weakness na ng plasma talaga ang IR,
no matter what brand, no matter what model,
characteristic na nya yun,
Sony Sells LCD Venture Stake to Samsung After Losses
December 27, 2011
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-27/sony-sells-lcd-venture-stake-to-samsung-after-losses.html
Plasma is the best, guaranteed!!! and i will never buy LCD or LED :D :D :D
+1 ako dito.. for almost 3 months ako nag suffer sa backlight bleeding, halos tuwing manonood ako ng movie eh yung bleeding na lang tinitingnan ko sa LED ko.. hahaha, nakatatlong unit ako.. from 32D4003 to 32D4000 talagang meron bleeding.. sa plasma kahit hindi FullHD talagang black is black.. uniformity ng screen kapag blank eh 100%.. gone are those sleepless nights.. hopefully hindi ko naman maranasan yung sinasabing "floating blacks" at kung meron man ayoko ng hanapin.. hehehe ignorance is a bliss.. mahirap pa yung marami kang nalalaman.. just my two cents.. yun lang power hungry ang plasma..Mahina rin naman yung consumption ng plasma sa bagong modelo. i bought 50x30, halos ganun din naman ang bill ko sa koryente. :D :D :D :D
regular tv program via cable i suggest plasma. if you're into deep superb definition lcd/led for me. must have high end definiton player or superb multi media source to enjoy its detailed and crisp images. :)
How can an LED/LCD have deeper definition than a Plasma kung parehong 1080p ang screen? Hehehe.
Heard from someone, nasasapawan daw kc minsan ng malakas na ilaw yung details sa image. parang sa photography, pag naoover exposed ang pictures nawawala yung details, yung maliit na kulubot nagigining pino.
In which case, e di lesser definition ang LED/LCD? hehehe
Tignan nyo mabuti kung aling image quality ang parang makapal ang foundation sa face and less defined ang edges. hehehe. The complexion has it, and the hair sa arms pa pala. saan mas balbon? hehehe
hmmmm my take is definition is the no of pixels etc. thus me high definition. yung details ang mas maganda pag sa plasma or LCD compared to LED
I like the comfort of passive 3D though.i agree, i never had to used the 2nd 3d glass that came with my 3dtv. 1st glass was just used for testing and occasional visitors who just want to checkout my 3dtv (pang yabang lang ;D )
Mahina rin naman yung consumption ng plasma sa bagong modelo. i bought 50x30, halos ganun din naman ang bill ko sa koryente. :D :D :D :D
Just bought a 2nd hand wii and when I demoed it sa Sony Bravia LCD ng nagbebenta, parang major labo. Inisip ko baka kasi composite video lang ginamit. Still bought the Wii and tested it in my Panny 42PV8 plasma. Aba bakit ang linaw naman with the same connection. Malayo doon sa Bravia. ;DYou can only see the big difference if you have lcd and plasma tv, comparing each other, malayong malayo ang agwat ng plasma. Sa viewing angle palang, dapat lagi kang nasa harap ng lcd heheheh, hindi puede nakahiga ka o nasa extreme left or right iba na yung picture, hindi katulad ng plasma, swabe talaga at hindi ma iritate yung mata mo.
Panasonic Plasma Picture Performance Pummels Pretenders with VT50 HDTV Series
... The TC-P55VT50 plasma HDTV is a CES Innovations Awards Honoree and it's easy to see why. The black level improvement can be attributed to an enhanced pre-discharge control that enables the panel to get darker and reach these black levels faster than previous models. The TV's panel, now referred to as the "Infinite Black Pro Panel" consists of a new plasma cell structure and phosphors, with improved luminous efficiency and higher brightness compared to earlier models. Also, the screen itself has an improved filter in front of the panel, designed to absorb more ambient light, with less glare, which allows the picture to retain its pop even in a fairly bright room. [/size]
regular tv program via cable i suggest plasma. if you're into deep superb definition lcd/led for me. must have high end definiton player or superb multi media source to enjoy its detailed and crisp images. :)
Panasonic Plasma Picture Performance Pummels Pretenders with VT50 HDTV Series
By Chris Boylan
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... The TC-P55VT50 plasma HDTV is a CES Innovations Awards Honoree and it's easy to see why. The black level improvement can be attributed to an enhanced pre-discharge control that enables the panel to get darker and reach these black levels faster than previous models. The TV's panel, now referred to as the "Infinite Black Pro Panel" consists of a new plasma cell structure and phosphors, with improved luminous efficiency and higher brightness compared to earlier models. Also, the screen itself has an improved filter in front of the panel, designed to absorb more ambient light, with less glare, which allows the picture to retain its pop even in a fairly bright room.
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Panasonic-Plasma-Picture-Performance-Pummels-Pretenders-in-2012-VT50-HDTV-Series.shtml
Magkano naman kaya ito. 65VT30 at Amazon is around $3k.
regular tv program via cable i suggest plasma. if you're into deep superb definition lcd/led for me. must have high end definiton player or superb multi media source to enjoy its detailed and crisp images. :)
i like the prices of plasma nowadays. been looking at the 40-42" plasmas. corcern ko lang is the high wattage.
i would do a feasiblity study muna. compute my TV viewing time per day, factor in the wattage of LCD vs Plasma and decide from there.
another issue ko is the reflective screen of the plasmas.
here's the room where i plan to put in the TV. would plasma suffer from glare? your LCD-LED be more practical?
wifey like the LCD-LED TVs dahil sobrang nipis. I'm more concern with Function over Form...Please, i would appreciate inputs from you. The TV you see there is a 32" Sharp LCD TV.
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45caliber,
based dun sa pic ko. do you think magkakaroon ako ng too much glare pag plasma gamit ko? yung glare ba niya e parang katulad ng glare din pag naka CRT ako?
i don't know if it's just me. i noticed LED TV screens have reflective screen compared to LCDTV screens, can't really compare it with a plasma as i haven't seen them side by side.
i don't know if it's just me. i noticed LED TV screens have reflective screen compared to LCDTV screens, can't really compare it with a plasma as i haven't seen them side by side.
hehehe
puro daw kasi LED na high end binibili mo hahaha
ako i prefered LCD pa din bihira kasi me magcable viewing - eat bulaga lang ako hehehe
saka gaming and movies lang ako
ganda talaga ung plasma sa cable viewing
bakit po sa cable viewing sir ang plasma?
based on my own experience, Plasma TVs has a better Picture Quality compared to that of LEDs and LCDs, kc pinagtabi ko yung LED, LCD and PLasma sa isang shop sa harison plaza. Yung details nababawasan sa LED at LCD, sample yung butas sa mukha ng tao, sa liwanag ng LED minsan natatabunan at nawawala yung mga butas sa mukha or in photography terms parang Over Exposed ang picture.
ang alam kong disadanvantage is Magastos sa kuryente, mas makapal, medyo mas mainit, at pag maliwanag ang viewing area at wala kang control sa lighting medyo me reflections. Pero Picture quality wise malayong mas maganda ang Plasma
based on my own experience, Plasma TVs has a better Picture Quality compared to that of LEDs and LCDs, kc pinagtabi ko yung LED, LCD and PLasma sa isang shop sa harison plaza. Yung details nababawasan sa LED at LCD, sample yung butas sa mukha ng tao, sa liwanag ng LED minsan natatabunan at nawawala yung mga butas sa mukha or in photography terms parang Over Exposed ang picture.
Pagregular cable viewing(without the digi box) po ba ano mas maganda between plasma ang lcd?
Both (reflective and flat) are available especially sa high-end full array LED models.ito kaya ang dahilan kung bakit, maganda ang PQ nila compared sa older, non reflective screens dati? im now suspecting glare helps in improving the PQ ;D ;D
The glossy high end Bravia is very very reflective.
hehehehanggat may plasma bro, di ako bibili ng led or lcdtv ;)
puro daw kasi LED na high end binibili mo hahaha
hanggat may plasma bro, di ako bibili ng led or lcdtv ;)Plasma TV is the best, malayo ang difference iba ang picture quality.
ito kaya ang dahilan kung bakit, maganda ang PQ nila compared sa older, non reflective screens dati? im now suspecting glare helps in improving the PQ ;D ;D
sa laptops naman although mas maganda talaga ang PQ ng glare screen, mas prefer ko parin ang matte. hirap kasi magbrowse sa labas ng bahay lalo na at maliwanag ;D ;D
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Which among panasonic, samsung or LG would have the best PQ?
Which among panasonic, samsung or LG would have the best PQ?
Which among panasonic, samsung or LG would have the best PQ?
Kung Plasma PQ: Sa lower models na current, I'd say Samsung may upper hand. Sa higher models, maybe Panasonic.
Medyo malayo na sa ideal ang default image calibration ng lower models ng Panny, imho. At wala silang readily accessible controls to correct this.
Pero when it comes to reliability, sa Panasonic ako. So far parang kokonti ang defective units na nilalabas nila.
Balak ko bumili ng Panasonic 42X30V Plasma TV for PS3 gaming. Talaga bang 1 year lang ang warranty ng Panasonic unlike sa iba na 2 years?panasonic kasi japanese brand. madalas sa korean brand yung mahaba ng konti ang warranty.
panasonic kasi japanese brand. madalas sa korean brand yung mahaba ng konti ang warranty.
one good example sa mga kotse, i read somewhere na 5 years ata warranty ng korean cars, while 2 or 3 years (or mileage, whichever comes first) sa japanese brands. :)
Balak ko bumili ng Panasonic 42X30V Plasma TV for PS3 gaming. Talaga bang 1 year lang ang warranty ng Panasonic unlike sa iba na 2 years?
When I went to Best Buy this morning, I was intent on getting a 65" Panasonic Viera,
was thinking that Plasma is still the way to go,.. But yet again, the 65" Viera was sitting right
beside the 65" LED of Samsung, the brightness was a huge factor, as well as the contrast,
but DAMN, the Samsung was pretty impressive, now I am torn between this two unit,..
an LED or a Plasma,.. Time to do some more research,..
What specific Viera model were you comparing with the LED?
65VT30 sir ang sa plasma,...
hindi ko lang matandaan ang model nung Samsung,
it was so bright, kaya it was pretty impressive, namutla bigla ang black level ng plasma
ng madikit sa LED ng Samsung,..
regards,...
65VT30 sir ang sa plasma,...
hindi ko lang matandaan ang model nung Samsung,
it was so bright, kaya it was pretty impressive, namutla bigla ang black level ng plasma
ng madikit sa LED ng Samsung,..
When I went to Best Buy this morning, I was intent on getting a 65" Panasonic Viera,
was thinking that Plasma is still the way to go,.. But yet again, the 65" Viera was sitting right
beside the 65" LED of Samsung, the brightness was a huge factor, as well as the contrast,
but DAMN, the Samsung was pretty impressive, now I am torn between this two unit,..
an LED or a Plasma,.. Time to do some more research,..
???
Lcd will never be better than plasma (sorry for this harsh statement, but its just MHO). Simply because plasma uses the most direct appoach in reproducing images. In plasma panel, every pixel has its own "lightbulb" that can be individualy and independently controlled. With this level of control coupled with sophisticated processing engines, plasma displays can mimic the original image faithfully with all the details and nuances of the original image. This level of control of individual pixels is not possible with lcd. Yes, lcd may be superior vs plasma in other features, but for faithfulnes in image reproduction (which is the most important, by the way) plasma is the one to beat.Its so simple plasma is the best tv techology. lcd and led tv,ngek !!! ang sarap manood kapag plasma, hindi masakit sa mata
Oh the VT30 is talagang medyo nasobrahan ng kadiliman - which is one of the main corrections/improvements they made on the new VT50... but still, it's bright enough under usual house conditions especially if you select the bright(er) image settings like Living, Auto, Dynamic and of course Manual/User.
Pero kung mas type mo pala ang image characteristics ng high-end LED's then go for it. Maganda naman talaga ang full array LED with local dimming. Pag-isipan mo lang mabuti dahil
(1) baka mapagod mata mo sa liwanag at tapang ng kakulayan ng LED (although it is possible to manually tweak para ma-approach ang earthy colors ng plasma).
(2) tignan mo mabuti ang rendering ng edges and face contours sa LED kung kasing smooth and natural looking ng plasma
(3) tignan mo mabuti ang rendering ng human complexion sa LED. Gusto mo ng parang makapal ang foundation or parang walang masyadong make-up?
(4) kung sa movies, di ka ba "natitigasan" sa colors ng LED?
(5) kalalabas lang ng MALIWANAG na GT and VT50 series
Well, whichever your eyes prefer. Cheers!
Bosing, congrats at natuloy pala ang biyahe!
Malaki na talaga ang improvement ng LCD/LED ngayon. Pero yung naobserbahan mo ay hindi naman bago.
Side-by-side, mas maganda ang LCD/LED, pag nasa bright environment (maputla kasi ang plasma pag nasa bright room). Pero pag nasa dark room na, mas maganda pa rin ang plasma (LCD/LED looks unnatural in a dark room).
LCD/LED for brighter environments; plasma for dark rooms. Ganyan noon, ganyan pa rin ngayon.
Ano yung natural at unnatural? Try watching a real movie in a real movie theater again, para masanay ang mata. Ang pinaka-natural na TV picture ay yung pinakamalapit sa real cinema image.
....Somehow the only negative factor that will be bothering me is EYE STRAIN,.. heheheSir, if too brightness is straining your eyes, you simply lower down the contrast and backlight or brightness level. And if there is cinema setting, you may choose that as well. Do not choose dynamic which is to harsh, that setting is designed for in-store display. Good luck to your purchase sir.
I never get that in my previous plasma, it was so soft in the eyes,..,
I really fell in love with the resolution and brightness of the Samsung,
I'll try to drop by Best Buy again and get the model of the unit...
Somehow the only negative factor that will be bothering me is EYE STRAIN,.. hehehe
I never get that in my previous plasma, it was so soft in the eyes,..
But the sharpness and clarity of the images ng LED is truly amazing,
matched it with a 1080p file, or a bluray movie, or even the direct TV,
it is simply beautiful to watch...
So what to do, what to do. Since puedeng buy, try and return sa US, bilhin mo pareho and set them both in your house – then you decide which one to return. I wouldn’t hesitate to do that if I were you. hehehebro OT lang, wala ba ganyan option sa japan?
@Clondalkin
Ako din OT. Mabenta ba ang samsung and lg TVs sa japan compared to their japanese counterparts? Or, do they only patronize their domestic products? Which is the top seller?
bro OT lang, wala ba ganyan option sa japan?
thanks sa info bro :)
kung may HDTV na philippine made .. bibili ba tayo? :D
Basta maganda ang PQ, well-made, matibay, at okay ang after sales service. Why not? ;)sa lahat ng sinabi mo bro, dyan lang ako medyo napaisip ;D
@Clondalkin
The funny part is that many Japanese TVs use Korean CRTs, Panels and other parts din. I guess the average consumer does not care about that.
There was also a Best Buy in Moreno Valley that is closing,
and is selling a 65ST30 for only $1700,.. Brand new in a sealed box,....
panasonic ut30m. simply amazing.
LCD has really come a long way. Grant Clauser of Electronic House says that with real world BD content, all of the TVs tested looked good.
last sunday.. it was my first time to own a brandnew samsung plasma unit when i turned it on i saw a dead pixel and couple of flickering pixels i was very dissapointed.AFAIK plasma tv does not have dead pixels. can you post a pic of the dead & flickering pixel.
this never happened to my lcd led purchases.
AFAIK plasma tv does not have dead pixels. can you post a pic of the dead & flickering pixel.
did you contact the store for replacement?
AFAIK plasma tv does not have dead pixels. can you post a pic of the dead & flickering pixel.
did you contact the store for replacement?
so plasma? never again!
Personally, I would only say, "Samsung plasma? Never again!" ;)jeff (theaterworks) sells samsung plasma tvs, but always pushing back buyers to get pio kuro and panasonic instead. ;D
Are samsung plasmas really that bad? Sayang kasi yung 2 years warranty.
yes SNS told me they will replace it with a new one or even change to other model of my choice.
so plasma? never again!
First time ko kasi magkaron ng plasma, talaga bang sobrang init ng screen at likod nito? Literal na pwede kana mag prito ng itlog! Sobrang init nakakapaso hawakan.mine is warm, but not scorching hot. :)
First time ko kasi magkaron ng plasma, talaga bang sobrang init ng screen at likod nito? Literal na pwede kana mag prito ng itlog! Sobrang init nakakapaso hawakan.
First time ko kasi magkaron ng plasma, talaga bang sobrang init ng screen at likod nito? Literal na pwede kana mag prito ng itlog! Sobrang init nakakapaso hawakan.Nakakapaso, sobrang init ? nagkaroon naman ako 3 beses na plasma tv na pana 42 at 50 inches hindi naman mainit.
Nakakapaso, sobrang init ? nagkaroon naman ako 3 beses na plasma tv na pana 42 at 50 inches hindi naman mainit.
Exaggerated lang siguro yung nakakapaso (safety issue na yun pag ganun). Pero normal yung umiinit lalo pag mataas yung contrast at maraming bright scenes at matagal ang gamit.parang dsl modem lang, very warm but not too hot to touch. :D
parang dsl modem lang, very warm but not too hot to touch. :D
Been breaking-in my 50 incher LG for a few days now but did not notice it getting hotter than normal.
I usually watch 1 to 2 movies everyday in stretched or full mode to avoid getting BI or IR.
Or it's just cold in here, maybe?
The warmer the panel, the higher the plasma panel quality. ;D ;D ;D. Kaya nga meron ventilation fan kapag high-end models na.
Check nyo kung gaano kainit yung Pioneer Kuro and Panasonic V series.
Are samsung plasmas really that bad? Sayang kasi yung 2 years warranty.
The warmer the panel, the higher the plasma panel quality. ;D ;D ;D. Kaya nga meron ventilation fan kapag high-end models na.
Check nyo kung gaano kainit yung Pioneer Kuro and Panasonic V series.
bright room (i.e. living room with several windows) = LED
entertainment/dark room = plasma
Perhaps, or maybe that model has good ventilation. If you have the contrast turned up to maximize the panel's max intensity, you'd likely get a fair amount of heat (especially if you're watching brighter material like the news).
Maybe my plasma has good ventilation; cooler climate is also helping. Contrast and brightness is only around 50-60 as i've read that when burning-in a plasma you shouldn't turn them too high. Picture quality for my eyes is superb though.
oh well i have the chance to return my new plasma unit yun nga sobrang init then may dead pixel and just purchased a 60" LED TV...
nasanay na talaga sa led.. nung nakakabit yung plasma sa sala namin with big sliding door windows andilim tignan nung plasma..
depende na talaga sa paglalagyan kung plasma or lcd ang dapat ilagay.
The heat factor really depends on your viewing distance. I have my trusty Panny 42PV70 which I was using for 5 years already in my bedroom with a viewing distance of 10 feet and never did I have any heat issues. I then transferred the same unit in a small condo with a 6 feet viewing distance and just then was I able to feel the heat. It wasn't that uncomfortable enough for me to shut it down but I can feel it.
Same here boss, at 6 feet you could feel the "heat", this was mostly true with our old PY800. But ok din naman because in our room which is always very cold we have a heater of some sort esp during cold rainy nights with a partner ;)
I've been lurking in this forum since last year pa because I've been planning to buy my 1st flat panel tv, i'm looking for a 40-42 inch TV....
Sir, hanggang 40-42 inch na tv lang ang kasya dun sa lagayan namin eh :) if I'd go plasma,i'm looking between 42x30 and 42ut30, which do you think is better? at saka budget ko is 30k lang for the tv kasi balak ko din bumili ng media player eh.My cousin has the 42X30 and one thing I gotta say: since the resolution is only 1024x768, the pixels are somewhat obvious from up to 7 feet away and it's not so ideal for gaming since kulang ang horizontal pixels even for 720p. Color and black levels are good but I recommend a 1080p plasma or RGB LED-backlit set.
My cousin has the 42X30 and one thing I gotta say: since the resolution is only 1024x768, the pixels are somewhat obvious from up to 7 feet away and it's not so ideal for gaming since kulang ang horizontal pixels even for 720p. Color and black levels are good but I recommend a 1080p plasma or RGB LED-backlit set.
Barrister is waiting for the UT50...
Sir Clondalkin, true po ba eto sa 42x30? I've also read good reviews about 42ut30 sa kabilang thread about it.
Sir, hanggang 40-42 inch na tv lang ang kasya dun sa lagayan namin eh :) if I'd go plasma,i'm looking between 42x30 and 42ut30, which do you think is better? at saka budget ko is 30k lang for the tv kasi balak ko din bumili ng media player eh.
Sir Barrister, thanks for sa input.
^ I'm not a fan of 3D eh pati si hubby, kaya I won't get the 3D glasses. pwede naman i-stretch yung budget, so between ST30 and UT30 which is better ba?
how much does the ST30 go for?
i saw the latest price on this page:parang wala ako nakita price for 50" ;D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,136898.3660.html
a plasma owner here... superb PQ! refresh rate of 600HZ was astonishing!
- reasearching bout HDTV for 2 months
- 2 weeks old LG 50PA4500 owner
- SATISFIED! :D
a plasma owner here... superb PQ! refresh rate of 600HZ was astonishing!
- reasearching bout HDTV for 2 months
- 2 weeks old LG 50PA4500 owner
- SATISFIED! :D
almost a month old 42st30 user here. got my deal from sir vic at 35k + the 2 3d glasses.Bro, have you tried Wipeout HD or other games in 3D mode? How do they look?
Im very happy with it and did not regret all the time and effort i gave when i decided to return my initially bought 42ut30. (it only stayed with me for 2 days before is asked sir vic if i can upgrade) huge difference in overall PQ, brightness and contrast.
Sir Barrister, thanks for sa input.
^ I'm not a fan of 3D eh pati si hubby, kaya I won't get the 3D glasses. pwede naman i-stretch yung budget, so between ST30 and UT30 which is better ba?
Sir Clondalkin, true po ba eto sa 42x30? I've also read good reviews about 42ut30 sa kabilang thread about it.
Sir Clondalkin, I really appreciate these info that you're providing me. Siguro it will come down na lang sa side-by-side comparison when I drop by SnS, kung ano yung makapagpa-wow talaga sa akin, yun na. Pero syempre I already have the list of models na gusto ko i-compare.
Naku Sir, di ko na mahihintay yang ST50, atat na atat na ako bumili eh, pero if ever dumating na yan, pwede naman i-swap sa SnS eh :D
naku, wag ka ganyan Sir. Kelan ba ang dating ng model na yun dito sa Pinas?
Kung meron naman kayo gamit na hdtv, better to wait for st50. However in my case I can't wait anymore, if I'll wait for it baka next year pa dumating dito st50. ... I didn't go for the lower models para hindi na pa upgrade2x.
I have no fluctuating brightness or green blob issue in my tv, hindi naman siguro lahat ng tv meron ganon na issue. Possible sa mga early 2011 release ng st30 meron issue but yung august 2011 release nila fix na lahat ng issue ;D
I have no fluctuating brightness or green blob issue in my tv, hindi naman siguro lahat ng tv meron ganon na issue. Possible sa mga early 2011 release ng st30 meron issue but yung august 2011 release nila fix na lahat ng issue ;D
We've asked Sights and Sounds to provide us with the ST30 and UT30 as soon as they become available. And we'll get first dibs on those for you guys.
quick question, is green blob the same as green trail, or phosphor lag?
Im not at home right now so i cant check this, but where can we find the manuf. date of the ST30 model? nasa likod ba sya ng TV? Where exctly sir? thanks in advance for anyone who can answer.
If you become aware what to look for, it would be visible kahit malayo hanggang kaya ng (linaw ng)mata mo. Yeah, in my case, I can easily see the pixels of a non full-HD plasma because they clearly look like intersecting lines as opposed to that of full HD na mukhang mosquito sa pagka-pino.
Isa pang clue, look at the PANASONIC logo displayed on the screen. Kapag 720p, the edges of the letters are clearly jagged (or parang step ladder), while if it's 1080p, it's very smooth. Once you see those differences, kahit 7 feet away ma-de-detect ng mata mo.
ilan years ang warranty ng LG nyo sir?
AFAIK plasma tv does not have dead pixels. can you post a pic of the dead & flickering pixel.
did you contact the store for replacement?
Tama yan, may dead pixels talaga sa plasma. Or more accurately, "stuck pixel" ang tawag diyan.
Ang "dead pixel," black pixel yon, talagang "dead." Ang "stuck pixel," buhay pa, kaya lang naipit sa isang color.
Formerly, very unusual sa plasma ang dead/stuck pixels, kaya ang impression ay hindi nangyayari sa plasma yon. Pero yung mga bagong plasma, parang LCD na rin sa occurrences ng dead/stuck pixels.
I just saw the Panny plasma 50X50 at Abenson's this afternoon. Unfortunately, the resolution is unacceptable to me.
My Panny plasma 50C10 (purchased Jan. 2009) has a native resolution of 1366 x 768, and the native pixels are not visible to me at a distance greater than 5 feet.
The 50X50 has a native resolution of 1024 x768, and I think the resolution difference should not be significant, yet I can see the native pixels onthis TV from a distance of about 7+ feet. At 10 feet away (my home viewing distance), the picture still has portions that are slightly jagged.
My theory is that the 50" 1024 x 768 Panny plasmas have a different pixel structure, that's why the picture still isn't clean enough even at a 10 foot distance.
The 50X50 was playing some Panasonic demo material. According to the sales rep, content resolution was 1080p, and it looked like 1080p content, judging from the Panny LCDs nearby playing the same material.
So that means 50X50 is now a no no for you?
Afaik, the 50x20, 50x30 and 50x50 are essentially the same banana... just seasoned with different tweaks here and there.
So that means 50X50 is now a no no for you?
I hope so, coz i am very much satisfied with my 42X20, i just want a bigger one. ;)
To those who have the LG LK430 or LK450 TVs with an S-IPS panel... Is this normal?
I get some whitish trails and ghosting when panning around, and it's most noticeable in 60FPS games.
Here's the video I took:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH_HXqF4ORA
We had the pleasure to test drive the LG42PA4500(Plasma), though I haven't finished the full review it looks good so far ! I'm surprised!
Reviewers are saying that Samsung plasmas have improved significantly:
Samsung PS60E6500 Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 26 July 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £1500
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/hdtv/Samsung-PS60E6500/ps60e6500.jpg)
... Samsung’s plasma televisions have been improving year-on-year to the extent that they’re now a cheaper alternative to Panasonic’s (which present outstanding value for money anyway).
... Previously some way behind Panasonic in the plasma stakes, Samsung is now scoring first in some categories, having produced an incredibly compelling PDP television.
... Although some buyers will (quite justifiably) be seduced by Panasonic’s outstandingly deep black levels, the Samsung PS60E6500 is not far behind at all, and also has lots of other strengths of its own which we think ultimately leaves it on equal footing with the Japanese manufacturer’s efforts.
... with displays like the Samsung PS60E6500 complementing Panasonic’s excellent 2012 range as the best HDTVs on the market, we’re inclined to say that plasma fans are a lucky crowd, with imperfect but very high quality flat-screen televisions available for less money than ever before. That’s not bad going for a technology that’s been declared “dead” more times than a stray cat.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps60e6500-ps51e6500-201207262022.htm
Samsung PS60E6500 Plasma 3D TV Review
By David Mackenzie • 26 July 2012 • Verdict: Highly Recommended • Typical price: £1500
I think this is the 59" Samsung plasma tv I saw on display at SnS. ::)
available na ba locally ung Panasonic ST50?
ditto! I'm holding out upgrading to plasma. I have a feeling the ST50 series will reach our shores later this year. ;)
available na ba locally ung Panasonic ST50?
kung pang bedroom which is better? plasma or led?It depends on your environment, but usually mas susceptible to glare and bright lighting ang plasma.
Samsung 40eh5000
samsung 42e450
lg 42ls3400
lg 42pa4500
Ang meron lang yung 65 inch (65ST50S). Walang 42" and 50". In short, yung ayaw natin na size ay available; yung gusto natin na size, wala. >:(
Where are the gray units when you need them? >:(
Anecdotally the quality control of the Korean brands seems to be getting bad though, since it's basically just Samsung and LG now.
Also who makes the panels in all the weirdo brands like Skyworth, Devant, Ganzklar, etc?
OLED TV 10 Times More Expensive to Make than LCD TV?
By Rachel Cericola
2012-08-09 - 09:39:03
Excited for those big, beautiful OLED TVs to start selling? You may want to start saving up.
According to new numbers from NPD DisplaySearch, OLED TVs may cost 10 times as much to make over standard LCD TVs being produced today.
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/OLED-TV-10-Times-More-Expensive-to-Make-than-LCD-TV.shtml
$7,900 daw ang LG OLED 55, but I don't think it's even available for purchase.
It was introduced at the Jan. 2012 CES in Vegas. In March, 2012, press releases said it will be available in May 2012 at $7,900.
AFAIK, malapit nang mag September 2012, wala pa rin.
Press releases said the LG factory can make 48,000 55" OLEDs a month, so I'm wondering why it's not out yet. Kasi maraming serious issues ang unit? ;)
Hi mga gurus,..
Ask ko lang ano mas okay in terms of movies and gaming........ Plasma 3D or 3D LED? planning to acquire a tv for my living room. Thanks
Tingin ko mababa ang panel yields sa manufacturing. Hindi pa siguro narerefine ang process, since they're new to mass producing large panel OLEDs.
Samsung claims na 10M KRW yung 55ES9500 pagrelease. So slightly more than the 55EM9600. Either may problem sila sa yields (kaya mahihirapan sila mameet ang target market price or sales volume), or dinedelay pa nila to milk the current flagship LCD models before mapalitan sa product heirarchy.
w/c one shuld i choose?ano ba source mo? 720p or remux?
40EH5000/5300 1080p
VS
PS51E450 720p
more size but 720p or small screen w/ 1080p resolution?
more questions,1. That depends largely on how you set it, and how cool your room is. If the panel intensity is high, you might feel it. If you watch with a lower panel intensity (like those power saving modes), you should barely notice it.
1. will i be able to feel the heat of PLASMA when i sit at 5ft away (where my pc is situated)?
2. durable ba ang SAMSUNG PLASMA especially E-series?
3. is SMART TV feature a waste of money if i have a pc just a few feets away?
w/c one shuld i choose?
40EH5000/5300 1080p
VS
PS51E450 720p
more size but 720p or small screen w/ 1080p resolution?
Pareho lang sir. May advantages and disadvantages whichever way you go.
3D LED - may advantage ng choice of passive glasses that are cheaper, lighter, flicker-free; disadvantage of inferior black levels, screen uniformity & viewing angles, and glasses that have less "3D pop" and more crosstalk.
3D plasma - may advantage ng better black levels, screen uniformity & viewing angles, and active glasses that have better "3d pop" and less crosstalk; disadvantage of active-only glasses that are much more expensive, bulkier, heavier, and flicker for some users.
Problema ang number of 3D glasses on hand if the whole family wants to watch at the same time, or when you're entertaining a lot of guests. I suggest LED 3D with passive glasses so you can buy as many glasses as you need without having to spend too much.
3. is SMART TV feature a waste of money if i have a pc just a few feets away?
Sir..ano ibig sabihin ng screen uniformity at viewing angles sa LED 3D? And ano ang mas sharper tingnan sa image na 3D, passive or active glasses?
Sir..ano ibig sabihin ng screen uniformity at viewing angles sa LED 3D? And ano ang mas sharper tingnan sa image na 3D, passive or active glasses?
Im planning to buy panasonic plasma 50vt30 and i think this is new model of panasonic.suggestion lng kung ok po ba to sa PQ,and all in all.thanks50vt30 is 2011 model, vt50 for 2012 ;)
Sony KDL-46BX450 1080p lcdtv vs Samsung PS51E450
i havent tried 46" myself but looking at the calculations here (http://www.displaywars.com/46-inch-16x9-vs-50-inch-16x9), is the 8% difference in size obvious? (cant believe im considering an LCDTV ;D )
Look at it this way...smaller size=sharper image. ;Dsabi ko nga bro pwede ko lagyan ng arm yung wallmount palapit sa bed para mukhang 50" parin sya :D
Sony KDL-46BX450 1080p lcdtv vs Samsung PS51E450Imho: It's not very obvious without anything to compare it to, but you can tell from memory. :)
i havent tried 46" myself but looking at the calculations here (http://www.displaywars.com/46-inch-16x9-vs-50-inch-16x9), is the 8% difference in size obvious? (cant believe im considering an LCDTV ;D )
sabi ko nga bro pwede ko lagyan ng arm yung wallmount palapit sa bed para mukhang 50" parin sya :DThat's very true. We have TVs in 46", 50", 52" and 54" sizes. How close you are to the screen makes more of a difference than comparing between these sizes.
Imho: It's not very obvious without anything to compare it to, but you can tell from memory. :)funny thing about my post is, the wallmount with arms that can do over 42" size tvs is about 8k din :D
That's very true. We have TVs in 46", 50", 52" and 54" sizes. How close you are to the screen makes more of a difference than comparing between these sizes.
funny thing about my post is, the wallmount with arms that can do over 42" size tvs is about 8k din :D
konting konti nalang vt30 50" na, plasma pa ;D
Ayun pala eh. Basta buy lang kung san ka happy. :)will do bro, kahit na umabot ng 1 month mag intay para may pandagdag lang, unless paambunan mo ako ng mga ani nyo sa hacienda ;D
will do bro, kahit na umabot ng 1 month mag intay para may pandagdag lang, unless paambunan mo ako ng mga ani nyo sa hacienda ;D
My cousin also has the 42X30 and it has this snowy effect if you look up close. I think it's dithering?
2013 is also expected to be the last year they make plasma TVs due to high cost of manufacture and low sales. Very sad :(
2013 is also expected to be the last year they make plasma TVs due to high cost of manufacture and low sales. Very sad :(
The Japanese tech companies have generally not been very profitable.
The yen is still too high while the Koreans have been able to build similar or better products from a technological innovation standpoint but at far lower cost.
The compounded effect here is that layoffs are actually quite expensive in Japan, where redundated employees typically get at least a year's salary as severance.