Ill stick my nose to the release of the PS3.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DAmen to that aldrinpsx! ;D
Ill stick my nose to the release of the PS3.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dyeah...if it will be released in the US this november....it will be here probably just before xmas......yeah...xmas gift... ;D ;D but it'll be a long wait........
....then after a while those players will be on sale at any local store here. ;D ;D ;D
peace!!!
yeah...if it will be released in the US this november....it will be here probably just before xmas......yeah...xmas gift... ;D ;D but it'll be a long wait........
The first HD-DVD and Blu-ray players are now available for reservation/pre-order on Amazon US:
Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray Disc Player (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000DZS0G8/ref=amb_link_821312_1/104-5343260-7533548?n=172282)
Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD Player (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E1PTGK/ref=pd_sbs_e_1/104-5343260-7533548?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=172282)
Looks like it'll be an interesting fight for supremacy between the Blu-ray and HD-DVD sides ;D
Toshiba HD DVD High-Definition DVD Player with Standard-DVD Upconversionits here na....start savin' up boys!! ;D ;D
Model: HD-A1
(http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/7652/7652523_rc.jpg)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7652523&type=product&id=1134699969167
Now available... masilip nga ng actual mamya. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
peace!!!!
Munskie, do u mean u saw it in a local shop na? :Dnope....i mean its officially in stores na di ba? kelan kaya dating nito locally
Just want to ask if this new HD-DVD or Blu-ray are compatible with our current HT setup? I mean, Dolby or DTS 5.1 din ba? Yung digital output ba pwede din sa optical or coax ng present ampli natin na madedecode yung dolby & dts? And lastly, pwede din ba sa ordinary CRT TV na may s-video or component video or ordinary composite video? Or kelangan HDTV ready na? ??? TIA! :)HD-DVD and Blu ray has new sound formats DTS-HD and Dolby Digital PLus, you can still use your current amp with this formats if you use the 5.1 multi-channel analog outputs of the HD player (which will do the decoding). You can still use digital coaxial or Toslink but will only play the current sound formats, DD or DTS.
**im also thinking about the release of blu ray player this may 23..with the capabilities and good software titles to run.. i have 30 days to return the HD DVD player at no cost.*** ;D ;D ;D ;D.. HAIL !! to the consumer act law!! ;D ;D ;D peace!!!
I guess if one's serious saving up for these new toys, one has to stop buying DVDs already. Right?
But the problem is how can I view it. I still don't have HDTV :'( ;DNo problem at all James....I have the solution. You are always welcome to try it out at my home. LOL ;D
No problem at all James....I have the solution. You are always welcome to try it out at my home. LOL ;Dhaha. . :) I wan't to see serenity or last samurai in true 1080p. :)
we'll be lucky if we get to see something locally by june... ;D ;D
Probably some relatives from USA may bring back those HD DVD players into the Philippines ;Dsending it through freight would be costly....ship weight is 25 lbs and have you seen the box? its kinda huge. Yeah, you're right, probably some considerate relatives can bring that home...itago na lang sa customs... ;D ;D
sending it through freight would be costly....ship weight is 25 lbs and have you seen the box? its kinda huge. Yeah, you're right, probably some considerate relatives can bring that home...itago na lang sa customs... ;D ;Dsend it via royal logistics. :)
Thanks for all the praises...yeah....the ps3 to me comes with a good WAF (wife acceptance factor).....i guess its gonna be my first blu ray player too....just cant wait.. ;D ;D
I am guessing even though there will be more BluRay titles i will be interested in at/near launch, the $1000 price tag will keep me away for a while. The more I look at it, the PS3 will probably be my first Blu-ray player.
start saving and WAY too much stuff to consider, this is all driving me nuts! ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=9717480376&ssPageName=ADME:B:TB6:US:2 :o :o :o :ono one is crazy to get this one at around $900. :o
peace!!!
Nice article. Makes me drool over the new formats. But I'm in no rush. The author is right. There are still a lot of refinements that can be expected. The DVDs and DVD players of today are a lot better than the first generation DVDs. And we're talking 7-8 years after they debutted. So I could expect the same for these HD formats and their players. Maybe in 3-4 years, the 3rd or 4th generation HD discs and players will be much better in terms of features and convenience and so much cheaper. And how many HD titles are there today?baka rin in a matter of 7-8 years, we'll be hearing terms like upscaling or upconverting hd-dvd players.....for super high definition hehe, just like what is prevalent this days...upconverting dvd players. ;D ;D
Full article: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002960326_ptcolker29.html?syndication=rss
4. No 1080p output
The high-definition video output of first-generation HD-DVD players is limited to 720p or 1080i, not 1080p, which is currently the best high-def image you can get. With only a handful of HDTVs out there that accept and display a native 1080p signal, what's the big deal? For starters, 1080p is quickly becoming the new de facto gold standard for HDTVs, with 1080p inputs set to become a lowest common denominator for nearly all 2006 HDTVs. But the dearth of 1080p output is most frustrating, once you find out that HD-DVD movies are being mastered in 1080p--but that theoretically better picture quality will remain locked on the disc until 1080p HD-DVD players appear (sometime in 2007, if not earlier). Needless to say, it's a bummer to not get 1080p right out of the gate, especially when first-gen Blu-ray players will offer it. I don't need to be completely future-proofed, but give me some basic protection, please.
5. Component video can be flagged
I almost wrote a full column on this issue alone. The unfortunate fact is that studios can encode their discs with an image-constraint flag that downconverts the HD-DVD's output resolution to 960x540 when played through the analog component-video outputs, which lack the robust digital copy-protection of HDMI. That means discs that are so flagged will display only a quarter of their best possible resolution if you own one of the early HDTVs that are lacking digital video inputs (HDMI or HDCP-compatible DVI). Yes, Blu-ray discs carry the same restrictions, and almost all of the studios have tentatively agreed to no flag their initial batch of releases. But that still leaves early adopters at the mercy of the studio bosses, who can choose to reverse course at any time.
10. A dearth of discs
Originally, HD-DVD was supposed to launch with 30 discs, but that number shrunk to 4--and we ended up finding only 3 in stores the week of April 18. Any way you look it, that's a paltry number. By comparison, DVD had at least 30 titles available within the first month of the format's March 1997 debut. HD-DVD backers hope to have around 200 titles--by the end of 2006.don
I thought that's what the author implied as he mentioned:
"....unless you already have a high-definition television at least 40 inches in size, you won't notice much of a difference" :)
9. The smaller the display, the smaller the difference
So we compared the The Last Samurai HD-DVD to its DVD counterpart on a Panasonic TH-42PX60U 42-inch plasma. The standard DVD was in our reference player, the Denon DVD-3910 (outputting at 720p), while the HD-DVD was, naturally, in the HD-A1. We flipped back and forth between the TV's two HDMI inputs, and though the HD-DVD image was distinctly sharper and clearly had the edge, the difference wasn't huge. We're pretty certain, however, that you'll see a much bigger difference the bigger you go. As we wait to get a large HDTV back in our labs--say, something along the lines of a Sony KDS-R60XBR1 60-inch SXRD rear-pro or a higher-end front projector--we'll stick by our recommendation that at these prices, next-gen DVD players should interest only those with HDTVs of 50 inches or larger.
Ive read somewhere that sony is getting negative feedback for their pricing scheme. They had been on a defence eversince the E3. And with everybody getting ga-ga over the nintendo Wii, Im not sure if they made the right decision.
Console makers sell their unit at a losing price, they recover their loss from the software that they or the third party makers sell (which they have a share). My point is they cannot market PS3 as a BR disc player. It should just be an add-on to attract regular or avid gamers.
(http://www.i4u.com/images/2006/sony-ps3-60gb-20gb-hdd.jpg)
"To make sure your friends know you have the $599 priced Sony PS3, Sony has made the case design a bit different by adding a chrome colored edge. The Sony PS3 will launch in black."
Hmm...the first impression that we got PS3 is completely in silver or chrome color. :-[ Very pricey at the initial launch price...guess will have to play the "waiting" game. :P
pricy mga game consoles sa SM. Even the game titles of PS2 are way higher than other street prices. One option is kung me kamag anak ka uuwi from the states. Thats what im planning to do. ;D ;D
There's a possibility of PS3 would cost that much but as for Xbox 360 at 48K....that's something else mate. :)
I just verified from a game shop seller. Xbox 360 is selling at 29k :)grabe ang mahal talaga sa SM
Baka naman ang Japan version, walang HD, then ang US version, may HD. :) Two versions nga, maski sa US, with and without HD ang main difference and a couple of accesories. ;)
Sa Toykingdom sa Megamall ang Xbox 360 Japan version 29k...yung 48k na Xbox 360 US version...
That’s great: pay extra, get a new product that supports something you can’t see. Sounds like a flea circus.\" – Charlie White
I grabbed the RCA HDV5000 HD-DVD Player last weekend (can't find Tosh HDA1 anywhere). It's basically the same hardware innards as Toshiba HD-A1. I've seen the Sammy BD-P1000 at BB last weekend and though I wanted to try it out, I can't shell $999 for that player :Dthanks for sharing bro. We're still waiting here for the release of BD and HD-DVD. Good thing it wasn't release here the same date as in the states. At least we have a chance to copare , select and even look through the different reactions in different forums. Congrats btw on your new toy. :)
First impressions: The player is freakinly slow to bootup(just like what the others have experienced). I've read about this at avsforum(and here) but I never thought that it would be that slow(around 30-35 seconds). I'm pretty used to almost instant-on of my Sammy upscaler. I tried Serenity and Jarhead HD-DVDs (I have the DVD versions). You can see PQ difference (my display is a 50" plasma) but not that drastic(DVD is upscaled to 720p, HD-DVD is running in the same resolution as well). there's a 1.3 firmware available for Tosh and I read that it can be used on RCA, so what the heck, I flashed my RCA and now, its Tosh branded ;D No dramatic difference on my part, boot up speeds up a little (now its just around 20-30 secs tops)
i'm surprised on the number of titles that are currently available in HD-DVD format. I expected to see like less than 15 titles but right now, I have more than 10 in my Netflix queue(some of which were new releases like 16 blocks and Firewall) and it looks like a lot more is coming
Funny the blu-ray discs were released earlier than the player. Early blu-ray adopters have all the time to read the inserts!! ;D ;DOO nga. ;D Or take them to their friends house to show off.
maybe in a year or two from now...we'll have a clearer picture who'll survive the format war... ;D ;D
HD-DVD players will eventually support 1080p (first gen HD-DVD players may contain updated firmware to support 1080p output). contents for both BD and HD-DVD are encoded in 1080p/24, so that leaves to the player and the display to handle the resolution.
Just dawned on me me that the video industry seems to be repeating the mistakes that the audio industry made. I am referring to the high-end rift between DVD-A and SACD which ensured neither of them could succeed in supplanting the CD as the digital audio standard.
Read from one internet article that if your display can upconvert to 1080p, a player that outputs just 1080i is sufficient. 1080i contains ALL the video information to make it progressive in the upconversion process so nothing is lost.
Went to a Sony store awhile ago and they had a blue ray player connected to a 60\" SXRD RPTV.All i can say is :o! I saw a demo of Underworld:Evolution,Ultraviolet,Click and Narnia.Time to save up for a new HT setup.
Which Sony store sir, if you dont mind?
I\'m here in the U.S. Chicago area, Schaumburg Woodfield Mall.
Nice article Munskie....I agree with the report :)By ROUND TWO or yearend, where there will be numerous releases of HD DVD and BLU-RAY titles, we will have a more clearer picture who goes ahead. The release of Blu-ray equipped PS3 and 2nd wave of players(which I hope will be a lot better in terms of audio/video output, connectivity, functionality, efficiency and price) will also be determining factors in the race.
Congrat to HD DVD on round one! ;)
That's right. As for the PS3, the first gen could suffer similar bugs, etc. So it's safer to wait at least a year or two until the tech matures & all bugs are iron out.
All good things come to those who are patient ;D
Some more war news....
HD DVD backers to Launch $150 million Ad Campaign (click) (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news/show/HD_DVD_Backers_to_Launch_Massive_$150_Marketing_Blitz/134) :o :o
It will feature a home theater truck......hehehe sana dito meron din... ;D ;D which i doubt
Denon is reportedly releasing an $800 HD-DVD player this year. NAD is supposed to be releasing a $1,000 HD-DVD player in November. It would be the first 1080p HDMI 1.3 HD-DVD player on the market, as well as the first player to do internal decoding of the high-end DTS codecs.
Review on HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray ... http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_blurayvshddvd_firstcomparison.html
A friend of mine went to cyberzone in MM. Infomax store have a demo of toshiba HD-DVD connected to a pioneer plasma. Showing was Cinderella man.
He also saw Underworld BD and Last Samurai HD-DVD disc on display.
(http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7377/image016cu7.jpg)
Might drop there later.
I Wasnt able to go there yesterday. :(wow!!!! 42k? kaya its really expensive to be an early adopter, sa US its $499...
@kratos - only HD-DVD is on Demo.
@munskie - according to my friend, The size of the plasma is around 40-42 inches. They selling the tosh for P42K. The width of the remote is normal, but the length is about 13-18 inches.
wow!!!! 42k? kaya its really expensive to be an early adopter, sa US its $499...
magkano kaya aabutin if you order online assuming they will ship to manila ?Sadly. Hindi pwede mag ship ng electronics form US to any other country. May warranty kasi or may iba pang reason. In other words. Hindi pwede hardware. sofware lang pwede. Pero Kung may magpapadala, pwede. At hindi aabot sa 40k range. Basta conceal lang ang box at huwag papadaan sa MCPO. ;D
499 + freight + taxes and duties ?
Personally, Im not that satisfied with what I saw yesterday. Is this next gen just all hype?
I mean pq was great but not the 'ohhh' and 'ahhh' i felt when I first saw DVD compared to VHS.
heres a comparison
VHS to DVD = windows 3.1 to windows95
DVD to HD-DVD = windows95 to windows98
Maybe the demo you saw used smaller display kaya you didnt notice the difference. I belive you will notice the gain in PQ when viewing it in larger displays or PJ. But nevertheless this insight is very helpful.
It's very deceiving in observing the PQ in HD. Lost of factors have to be taken into consideration as pointed out by other members. Disc source, type of HDTV, size, viewing distance, etc ;)
Similar in comparison btw a sedan cheap Toyato & a luxury BMW...there's a BIG price & quality difference right? But for some people they're the same cos they're all cars & as long as they can travel from point A to point B, that's good enough. But for those who know how the quality difference must know first where to 'see"....the design, the engines, the power, the weight, the materials used, etc ;D
Isa sa major differences between the current gen DVD and the next-gen DVD is the surround format used, which according to the review (on the previous page of this thread), is much superior than DTS and DD.
Similarly in audio, you'll need major upgrade to your sound system esp your AVR with the latest HDMI version to take full advantage of the new superior HD audio combined with good speakers system otherwise only mediocre results lang ;D
They selling the tosh for P42K. The width of the remote is normal, but the length is about 13-18 inches.
An AV forum member elsewhere opined that the format winner will be determined by which one has the most number of PORNO titles. ;D
hehe nice one ;D Meanwhile my hat off to Toshiba for licensing HD-DVD technology to a number of Chinese manufactuers 8)
oooh, maybe they might have a good cheap release HD-DVD player in HK by the end of the year :)
Exciting.
oooh, maybe they might have a good cheap release HD-DVD player in HK by the end of the year :)
Exciting.
Just read a news article that Toshiba has licensed HD-DVD technology to a number of CHinese manufactuers to make low-cost HD-DVD players.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/20/business/dvd.php
This is in direct contrast to SONY and Matsus**ta's snooty attitude against licensing their Blu-ray technologies to Chinese makers as this could undercut their profits and R&D investments. My hats off to Toshiba for doing the right thing and not following the business line. For sure, making HD-DVD players in large numbers the way China did for DVD will bring down the player cost to mass market levels and thus ensure the format's faster acceptance to a larger market segment. This will certainly undercut Toshiba's R&D inveestment and compete with their own products but in the long run, with a larger market share, Toshiba's HD-DVD format should win out.
Unless SONY catches up and does the same, I hazard to opine that with this move from Tosh, the War just ended.
This format war is really a marketing war, not a product technology war. It reminds me that the Betamax was said to be a superior product technically but lost out to VHS because the latter was able to satisfy the market with 2-hour movies faster and in droves. Now, SONY is about to repeat history by losing sight of the fact that this is not about technology. It is about satisfying the market and giving value for the price they pay. It is plain that both formats can deliver the pic and sound quality for high definition video and sound. It is now all about allowing as much of the market to benefit from that technology. At a price the majority can afford and reasonable for them to replace their DVD collection with, if at all.
Sony is already well versed regarding format wars. Thats why they bought out some of the movie studios so they can get their hands on the software needed. You cannot blame some of the manufacturers for being protective over their investment. After spending billions, you do expect to get a windfall.I guess we can say that coz Sony is 0-1 when it comes to format wars..... :)
Grrr...Maybe this question will eventually come into mind. :-X :-X Any of you guys stopped buying DVD and have intentions of overhauling your DVD collection? Also which format will you choose now?Nakaka hinayang bumili ng DVD kung may katumbas na HD nalalabas na kasabay. :'( :'( example: Underworld Evolution.
Grrr...Maybe this question will eventually come into mind. :-X :-X Any of you guys stopped buying DVD and have intentions of overhauling your DVD collection? Also which format will you choose now?Nakaka hinayang bumili ng DVD kung may katumbas na HD nalalabas na kasabay. :'( :'( example: Underworld Evolution.for me, ill just buy DVD release of recent films that I havent watched (coz I really want to watch now, even if they have HD release now). Other catalog titles not in my collection, im planning to have them in HD, so stop na muna ako sa mga dun. Thats my plan for now.
AV phile,
I noticed that you are really following the HDDVD/BLU RAY players. So what is your choice and when are you getting one? Would you recommend to buy now or wait and what monitor do you recommend for these players? Im also following the development but still has no plans of buying.
Grrr...Maybe this question will eventually come into mind. :-X :-X Any of you guys stopped buying DVD and have intentions of overhauling your DVD collection? Also which format will you choose now?Nakaka hinayang bumili ng DVD kung may katumbas na HD nalalabas na kasabay. :'( :'( example: Underworld Evolution.
OK so you are saying to get the HD DVD? Im sorry Im at lost with the format war and somewhat not to up to date with recent developments. Are you planning to get one very soon? If only the players are priced at 5T each then just buy both, but its not.
That's a valid but pointless fear. Because with HD, sooner or later, even your current DVD players and DVDs might well join their ranks. ;D A lot of early HD adopters have already quit buying DVDs. After they've experience one, many have lost all interest going back to their DVD collection. They still buy TV series released in DVD though. But most TV series were never shot at 1080p to merit HD anyway. ;D
Sony will definitely insist on the MPEG4 while the other camp will use VC-1. But Warner will use VC-1 for both its HD-DVD and BD releases.
just got back from infoMaxx.
They are still playing cinderella man as demo. I havent seen it yet on DVD I really cant compare, nevertheless heres my initial impression.
-though theyre playing the demo on a big screen (42" plasma). I can say the resolution is the same or a bit bitter than my 28" jap surplus tv
-around 5 feet away, I can see a little bit of noise on dark scenes.
- according to the lady the resolution is running on 1080p(?) maybe its 1080i.
Just FYI, there are now 3 variants of the DTS codecs to be used in both Bluray and HD-DVD.
http://www.dtsonline.com/dts-hd/dts-on-bluray-and-hddvd.php
DTS-Encore
Rebadged old DTS but using maximum bitrates at a CONSTANT 1.5mbps on compressed LOSSY format.
DTS-HD
High Defintion DTS at CONSTANT bitrate of 6mbps for Bluray and 3mbps on HD-DVD that can deliver 7.1 channels at 96/24 using compressed LOSSLESS codec
DTS-HD Master Audio
High Defintion DTS at VARIABLE bitrate up to 24.5mbps for Bluray and 18mbps on HD-DVD that can deliver 7.1 channels at 96/24 using compressed LOSSLESS codec - virtually indistinguishable from original audio masters.
OTH, DolbyTrueHD is said to be similar to DTS-HD Master Audio with a variable bit rate up to 18mbps on both formats using MLP - same lossless compression codec used for DVD-A.
Just for reference, the CD uses a constant bit rate of 1.1mbps of uncompressed data for 2 channels.
The typical DTS tracks on SD DVDs use LOSSY compression at a constant bitrate of 768kbps or 0.77mbps for 5.1 channels.
The typical DD tracks on SD DVD use LOSSY compression at a variable bitrate averaging 384 kbps to 448kbps max for 5.1 channels.
If people are generally happy with the CD and the DTS tracks on their DVDs, wait til they hear what the DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio for HD-DVD can do. ;D It seems that both formats today represent the pinnacle of digital audio fidelity for both BD and HD-DVD.
Warner is working on a universal disk that has both formats in different layers, so it can be played on both a BD and HD-DVD player...... although it will cost more than pressing either format, its still cheaper than pressing both formats for every movie release.
format wars make life more complicated for everybody. ;D
With these new technologies, maybe another audio format war....HD-DVD audio or Super BR-CD or whatever... ;D
An investigative report by the reviewers of ProjectorCentral.com on what is truly happening on the battlefront: on the displays of US Retailers.....see how dirty the Propaganda is.....The Format Wars is truly ragin on...
The Retailing of HD-DVD and Blu-ray (click) (http://www.projectorcentral.com/retailing_HD-DVD_Blu-ray.htm)
while hardware manufacturers are working on the universal player route, here's an alternative point-of-view from content producers:
Warner is working on a universal disk that has both formats in different layers, so it can be played on both a BD and HD-DVD player...... although it will cost more than pressing either format, its still cheaper than pressing both formats for every movie release.
format wars make life more complicated for everybody. ;D
Are foreign countries planning to release their movies in HD format too?If any other country at this time is capable of releasing thier movies in HD other than the US, it would be Japan. I haven't looked into them with any seriousness but I read one poster in another forum say that the titles released locally in Japan were not as impressive as those released by hollywood in terms of PQ. I think they were talking about a Jap release of a foreign movie at that.
I haven't looked into them with any seriousness but I read one poster in another forum say that the titles released locally in Japan were not as impressive as those released by hollywood in terms of PQ. I think they were talking about a Jap release of a foreign movie at that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HD_DVD_releases
the anticipation heats up....which leads me to consider selling other titles in my DVD collection....im thinking they would still command fair value today.....and would certainly help in financing HD titles purchases....
Really praying hard to win the lotto. ;Dim just glad theres paylite... :) ill be browsing my DVD collection and select which has to go....
Probably those are Japanese movies/titles in the first place. It seems that cameras for film-making are still the forte of American makers and Hollywood, while cams for any other kind of video stuff are mostly Japanese. As far as my experience with Japanese made tapes, CDs, DVDs, and SACDS, I think they, at the very least, match the US made ones, and in many cases, richer in features and better in sound...kaya nga grabe ang mahal.
Pero sa totoo lang. Wala na akong gana manood ng DVD. HD na talaga. Really praying hard to win the lotto. ;D
Actually, soome recent hollywood blockbusters no longer use film. They are using those superHD digital cams, forgot the resolution I think 4X 1080p. If not mistaken, Star Wars Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith were shot enitrely in digital high def. Not film.
If the content is the same Bro. My case, I would rather watch clear p*r*t*d hollywood movies than sumo wrestling, or the mountains and the trees and the flowers and the bees in full HD.
I have read that the 60GB model of the PS3 has dual HDMI uli.
for dual monitor purpose?
or the extra HDMI can be used as av relay for an external equipment?
or perhaps you can use one hdmi to play something from the disc and another to play something from the hard drive...but that's kinda asking too much I think.
The problem with rental shops, especially here in Manila, is that they are soooo late in adopting to new formats. Video City I think started renting out DVDs only in 2003 and with so few titles. And now with the new HD format, I would love to rent na lang. But if it took Video City all 6 years before renting DVDs out, I would think they'll start renting out HD titles in 2012 pa. ;D
Remember!! Remember!! the 17TH of NOVEMBER!!!!
Jumped the band wagon..im no.1 of 14 for the 60 gig.well guys...i have to say....that i was one of the lucky ones.pre order was shut before the store opens at 10am.. i was standing in line(5am) in the freezing mornin. ;D ;D ;D ;D
1st in line, guaranteed a PS3 on Nov 17th.
*** guess ill be watching BLU RAY rather than HD DVD****
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.. But I think for the price, which is about half of most BD stanalone player cost, the price-performance should be acceptable. I mean, Sony wouldn't be releasing a BD player on a game console if it can't perform the minimum that a BD standalone can. Afterall, Sony is positioning the PS3 as a media center.
we don't have to worry about region coding even in the future.
BD is region locked. HD DVD is not yet.
Ah ok, i think even southeast asia and Phils is part of region 1.I believe we are...on HD DVD coding....isnt that great?
I believe we are...on HD DVD coding....isnt that great?
PS3 is practically a "pimped" PC right?
Based on my readings, it supports 1080i via component, 1080p via VGA for HD DVD. I hear the upgrade will allow it to upscale SD DVDs to 1080p via VGA.
Based on my readings, it supports 1080i via component, 1080p via VGA for HD DVD. I hear the upgrade will allow it to upscale SD DVDs to 1080p via VGA.
Unfortunately, most HDTVs accept 1080p through HDMI only.
With new HDTVs, yes, Current HDTVs and HDTV-ready sets don't recognize what 1080p input is. Just 1080i.
The XBox 360 HD DVD Player will connect to Windows Vista-based workstations via USB as both a data drive as well as a HD-DVD video player. (with appropriate HD DVD playback software like Intervideo, etc.)
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/14187
I'd imagine this may be another boost to HD DVD in the format wars.
I have read that difference between 1080p and 1080i is noticeable on screens 50 inches and above.
So, it is ok to have 1080i on 40-incher and below.
Now, how can XBOX 360 implement 1080p on games if it doensn't have HDMI out?
I am not so sure if the HD-DVD add on has HDMI.
If there is, the 1080p for movies is ok.
I haven't come accrossed yet of HDTVs that accept 1080p through VGA.
From what I know, VGA is analog signal. I may be wrong though.
Seems ironic.
Watch HD-DVD on Computer monitors?
So what is the use of your Toshiba HD-A1 connected to HDTV?
Yup. That is what I mean.
1080i can pass througn Component (for now).
I have read that difference between 1080p and 1080i is noticeable on screens 50 inches and above.
So, it is ok to have 1080i on 40-incher and below.
The discs are encoded at 1080p. Accdg to many early adopters in an AV forum I frequent, the Tosh A1 output at 1080i and with 1080p-capable HDTV upsampling to 1080p regardless of input, the resulting video is indistinguisable between 1080i and 1080p input, regardless of screen size. And they were talking about it over 100" PJ screens. All fixed-pixel display technologies (plasma, DLP, LCD, LCoS, etc.) are naturally progressive and require deinterlacing of interlaced input. And because with a 1080p source like HD DVD and BR discs, ALL the video data is completely transmitted and the players simply output them sequentially at 1080i, rather than all at the same time at 1080p per unit of time. Since the data is buffered and reassembled(de-interlaced) and displayed progressively in the monitor as 1080p, the resulting video is no less gorgeous than if the display accepted a 1080p input. No motion artifacting common with interlaced sources. So for practical High Def HT experience, the current toss-up between 1080i and 1080p input capability in displays is irrelevant when talking about 1080p-encoded sources. Some would even say that 1080p is a waste. But I don't think it is. To the extent that the display may not be de-interlacing properly, which may happen with cheap HDTVs, 1080p input has its value. But I have to admit all the hype about 1080p has convinced the market that it is superior, and no amount technical punditry will convince them that for practical HT high def, they have the same pixel count and can't be distiguished.I have a 720p/1080i native PJ (Panny Ae900) with a 96in screen and HD being provided by HD-A1 and I have to agree with sir AV. With the video im seeing I wonder how it could be "less glorious" compared to a 1080p display. HD DVD video output at 1080i via hdmi though looks a bit sharper than 1080i via component. With the reviews and articles ive read (just like what sir AV has posted) Im not looking to upgrade to 1080p PJs for now.....its just impractical at the moment. No "amoeba and jellyfish" artifacts too as Sony's Don Eklund would put it.... ;D ;D ;D
No "amoeba and jellyfish" artifacts too as Sony's Don Eklund would put it.... ;D ;D ;D
Were you able to verify those "amoeba and jellyfish" artifacts of Eklund on your Tosh? ;Dyeah.....look at the pic below...posted in avsforum..... ;D ;D ;D
It's cell technology from IBM is actually so much more powerful than anything that Intel or AMD PCs have at the moment. It's not only the most powerful game console ever made, it is also the most expensive. SONY is expected to lose $200 for each console made and will only recover from game licenses.
But I wouldn't get the PS3 for anything. Because notwithstanding its processing power, game developers across many platforms design their games on the least common denominator, porting them on the appropriate media at the last stage of production. That means those games common between xbox and ps would look and behave the same. There are so few games that will be exclusive to PS3, like Resistance: Fall of Man which is currently nowhere near the top 5 among game aficionados. And it doesn't have as good an online gaming as the 360. In fact, I think it has no online gaming facility as yet.
Most likely, just like with the PS2, you will need to buy the appropriate D/Component AV multi-out cable for those without HDMI inputs. Of course, this also means that you pay a premium for that proprietary cable to hook up to your TV :P
I was able to score a pre-order for the 60 GB PS3. The mom & pop videogame store only had 6 allocated for the 60 GB and and you have to win the preorder it via lottery (no lining up necessary). Just received a call asking me to pick up the PS3 come launch day. I hope its true. :)
Picked up my 60GB PS3 today which I won in a preorder lottery. Nice touch on the detachable power cord but the composite video in the pack was disappointing. Oh well.. I already have a HDMI and D4 and component connector so no problem. Still waiting for my amazon order of Resistance. Will test with AE-700 later for dvd playback capability
Not yet. I still do not a 1080p display device. Its weird having your display device as the bottleneck to get max. picture quality.
Sir,
mini-review naman po and do some tinkering on it.
I read from IGN that the PS3 accepts 3rd Party hard drive.
Impress Watch connected a 120GB on the 20GB PS3 version.
It works but with some flaws.
Mini-review also on the Blu Ray functionality.
I read that it loads Blu Ray Software faster than the HD-A1 with HD DVD.
You are correct SD DVDs were only at 480p (525p). I thought it was upconverting to 720p. This is where the HD-A1 shines.T3 Philippines just ran a special HD feature in its November Edition. In the Select Opinion column by Vince Sales.....he stated that, once you go HD, theres just no turning back. I believe him. :)
Sir ganda ng pix ha.
Anglinaw.
Anong digicam yan? :)
I have read from IGN that PS3 doesn't upscale DVDs.
IGN purchased a retail PS3 and did explore the capabilities of the machine.
Everything from:
- Internet browsing
- Attaching an IPOD, and other Storage Devices.
- Playing PS1 and PS2 game, etc.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/743/743956p1.html.
Excited na din ako. But matagalan pa yan bago makadating dito sa Pinas.
Congrats again.
wow. they both look good in black and silver.....kumpleto na HD viewing mo (youre sitting in both fences), the ae700 is native 720p. congrats bro.....PS3 will only be released in Asia March 2007 (except Japan). :)
Sir may official launch din sya sa HK on Nov 17 for the 60gb version and Dec for the 20gb.thats great news....espcially for enthusiasts in HK.... :) the question naman locally is not when.....but how much? baka its much cheaper to import one from the US....just like what ive done with the HD-A1
The HD-DVD drive for the 360 is already out and i'm still holding out on it because MS will offer downloadable movies for rent and TV shows in HD.Downside is it'll probably take a long time to download one movie.I'll try it out on Nov.22. ;D
nels...kunin mo na dalawa para walang problem sa titles...hehehehe... ;D ;D
I think this thread does not only discuss about the War between Blu-Ray and HD DVD but also the War among next-gen consoles. ;D So... The War Begins (with the launch of PS3, and soon, Nintendo Wii). ;)
Sir Strider,
More mini-reviews on the PS3 pa po.
Feedbacks both Good and Bad.
I am now deciding between a 360 and a PS3 so I am gathering feedbacks about the PS3.
Sir, may PS3 game ka na ba (downloaded or on Blu-Ray)? How does it perform?
How about the Backwards Compatibility? I read from IGN that PS1 and PS2 titles are still region-locked.
PS3 unit heat and noise issues?
Sensya na po daming tanong.
I have the Sony 36HDF9 Hi Vision CRT (with VGA/BNC/Component/MUSE LD) inputs but no D4 as this is an old horse. My daughter is using this to watch her videos in a separate room. Everything looked amazing on this 34 inch 16:9 CRT esp. the XBOX360 so I would assume D4 input on the PS3 would be very good. It already is on the AE-700 but I only have the HDMI input calibrated (big difference on HDMI vs component on a 100 inch screen but as I said, the component inputs I have yet to calibrate).
@nels, if you have the extra money, yes its highly recommended (but I'm easy to please - happy na ako sa wireless keyboard and laser mouse support. lol)
This just in.....A lot of stars will soon loose a lot of fans. :)
(http://www.highdefdigest.com/images/post/1/1052/original.jpeg)
Vivid to Bring First Adult Title to Blu-ray, HD DVD (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Vivid_to_Bring_First_Adult_Title_to_Blu-ray,_HD_DVD/329)
Vivid girls in HighDef? 8)
Thanks munskie.Yes,the KingKong HD-DVD is free.I might never go back to SD DVD,hehehe.I haven't tried if it will upconvert regular DVDs.Nevertheless,i'm very much satisfied. ;Dyeah, its very hard to go back to SD DVD. Theres just really no turning back. Ive stopped purchasing SD DVDs myself. It will save me from double dips especially when HD goes mainstream.
I went to Bestbuy and sampled their demo unit of PS3.Played a little bit of NBA 2K7,
dagul...hows PQ of King Kong?
(http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/9326/hd1wt8.jpg)
I would probably buy the PS3 because of blueray but for games,I'd stick with my Xbox 360. ;D
Magkakatalo lang talaga sa games that are exclusive to a particular console.
Clondalkin,
Yup,meron ng NBA 2K7 dito for the PS3.Also,Tony Hawk's Proj. 8,Madden 07 and NHL 2K7.
I saw a PS3 in SM makati last friday selling for 60K. The games are ridge racer and gundam, both selling for ~5k. According to the sales lady the unit is a Japan version. Wonder how SM was able to get one when I believe there is also shortage in Japan?
I saw a PS3 in SM makati last friday selling for 60K. The games are ridge racer and gundam, both selling for ~5k. According to the sales lady the unit is a Japan version. Wonder how SM was able to get one when I believe there is also shortage in Japan?60k????? gosh....SM really goes for the kill ei? hehehehe.... ;D ;D
60k????? gosh....SM really goes for the kill ei? hehehehe.... ;D ;D
IMO its cheaper there compared to the price here in UAE where the most popular gaming store is selling it for 5,500AED (P77,000) for the 20gb and 6,000AED (P84,000) 60gb version, though the games are cheaper here 299AED (P4,000) and theye already have 10 titles to choosefrom. Greedy merchants!!!
A Weekend Full of Quality Time With PlayStation 3
By SETH SCHIESEL
Published: November 20, 2006
The New York Times
Howard Stringer, you have a problem. Your company’s new video game system just isn’t that great.
Ever since Mr. Stringer took the helm last year at Sony, the struggling if still formidable electronics giant, the world has been hearing about how the coming PlayStation 3 would save the company, or at least revitalize it. Even after Microsoft took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago with its innovative and powerful Xbox 360, Sony blithely insisted that the PS3 would leapfrog all competition to deliver an unsurpassed level of fun.
Put bluntly, Sony has failed to deliver on that promise.
As a practical matter, given the limited quantities Sony has been able to manufacture, the PlayStation 3 will surely remain sold out throughout the holiday season. If you can’t find one, don’t fret. Sony still has a lot of work to do. As Mr. Grant of Joystiq put it: “Maybe in six months it’ll be finished. Maybe by next fall I’ll be able to do all the cool stuff. I’m still kind of waiting.”
May nabasa pala ako from a local gaming forum site.
An XBOX 360 game named Blue Dragon shall be released in 3 DVDs.
Yup. we don't need a blu ray.
Who needs a large capacity storage disc?
At this point of next generation competition, one game is about to be released in multiple DVDs.
And yet some are attacking Sony's decision to use a Blu Ray on the PS3.
Just wanted to share.
Peace. ;)
Yeah. Same here.
He only mentioned all PS3 negatives, of which, are addressed by the 360.
Never mentioned PS3's strong points which the 360 doesn't have.
He never mentioned PS3's 60GB which is replaceable by 3rd Party HDD, so on and so forth.
He never mentioned about the PS3's HDMI, while the 360 has yet to come up with.
He never mentioned about PS3's free online play, while you have to pay $50 a year to play on XBL.
Anyway, to each his own.
May nabasa pala ako from a local gaming forum site.
An XBOX 360 game named Blue Dragon shall be released in 3 DVDs.
Yup. we don't need a blu ray.
Who needs a large capacity storage disc?
At this point of next generation competition, one game is about to be released in multiple DVDs.
And yet some are attacking Sony's decision to use a Blu Ray on the PS3.
Just wanted to share.
Peace. ;)
From what I gather, the author did acknowledge the PS3 as the most powerful game console there is. But accdg to him, it didn't deliver the FUN factor.
Unconfirmed: Apple to offer BR Macs by Feb. 2007.
http://www.qj.net/Apple-to-offer-Blu-ray-equipped-Macs-by-February-/pg/49/aid/73975
I have to get the PS3 next week, I am dying to see the 7 bluray movies that I have bought ;D
Exactly. The Fun Factor was the article's central theme.
Sir av_phile1 always gets the point without much effort.
bro aldrin why do you need two PS3s?
bought it at 55k with 1 controller and 2 games at shoppesville, greenhills ;D55k sir yun bang 60gb version na? :)
Here's my equipment list first:
Anthem Avm50
Elac 600 series(front stage)
Monitor audio GR series(side and back)
Classe Amplification
Balanced cabling
Panasonic Ptae900 (soon replaced)
Draper 106 inch m2500 screen
Ps3
Hd-A1
EAD Thetervision P
Pioneer 969 DVD
All HDMI cabling
HTPC
Testing equipment:
Terrasonde Audio toolbox
Audio control 3050 Rta
Datacolor Colorfacts 6.0 Color Analyzer.
Software:
22 HD dvd's
7 Blu-ray disc
The comments that I gave are subjective but based on good objective equipments that I have. It is based on my personal equipments and views.
The comments made at AVS were based mostly before the PS3 came about (November 17). It was based on the 2 BD players available at that time namely the Samsung 1000 and the Panasonic BD10. Samsung admitted that their player has a problem with their sharpness control on 1 of their chip which resulted in a very soft picture. In the case of the Panasonic unit, it performed much better than the Samsung but with a 30% premium on its price. Now comes the PS3 with firmware 1.11 which has better specs than the 2 full pledged BD players.
To be fair with this observation, I use the gennum video scaler/processor with my Anthem AVM50 which down-convert the 1080p output of the PS3 to the native 720p resolution of my Panny 900. As I have stated before, the subjective picture quality advantage of the PS3 might just be 2% with a margin of error 3: ;D. It might just be that I am in Awe and still feeling good about my purchase of the PS3 or I was dead tired when I was evaluating the HD dvd version of King Kong.
Tears of the Sun is a very good transfer for the BD camp and I would recommend it highly. Its another Bruce Willis reference material :D
How do you qualify 1 to 2% difference? Thanks.
Nice set-up you have there. It does compare with a lot of reviewers on the net with reference grade gears. But it seems to me a waste to use a game console for High Def viewing, wouldn't you say? For testing, maybe. A lot of serious HT enthusiasts on many AV forums have opined they wouldn't be caught dead using a game console for their HT viewing. That's often reserved for their kids or in the game room. ;D Rather snobbish I must say. But that's really the least of the sins in this hobby. ;D
At any rate, if you noticed a 2% difference in your comparison ???, good for you. I don't know what titles you have used in your comparison, but I think it would interesting and more fair if you compared some warner titles released in both formats, like Superman Returns, whose BD version is way below the HD-DVD version at Amazon in terms of sales and preorder ranking, (I wonder why?) ;D
And yes you are right, early adopters have compared the BD and HD-DVD using stand-alone players, as it should be. The PS3 is a game console that SONY is needlessly attempting to position as a media center that can play virtually all video formats (except HD-DVD). Don't know if that will succeed. And I am not entirely convinced, with all the write ups and reviews and posts on forums I've visited and read, that a game console would be better than a dedicated stand-alone player for either HD-DVD or BD. The PS3 may use the most powerful and advanced cell technology for home use, but that's more for the games. But that's just me ofcourse. ;D
as far as corporate greed is concerned, i actually prefer $ony over micro$oft (just me)..... but there's only so much that a company or brand can do for you, its the experience of using the product that matters.
i'm in neutral territory in this format "war"..... i much rather get 720p DivX movies on double-sided DVD media right now at near-DVD prices, and play them on inexpensive DVD/DivX players..... i don't see 1080p TV's or PJ's being anywhere near affordable in the next 6 mos.
just lurking to see who's winning on 1080p.
I know that the best comparison would be using the same title under both formats. I am not a reviewer but a plain hobbyist. It would be expensive if I have both formats.
If I can make a suggestion, there are plenty of British and US-based AV forums that are teeming with reviews, debates, impressions and discussions on the two formats.
Very true, Barrister. Some avforums are saying that the format war has become a codec war with Sony foolishly insisting that mpeg2 is just as good or better than VC1 at higher bitrates. And it's so obivous that Sony needed a BD50 in order to bring up the mpeg2 bitrates to be close (not really close) to the PQ of the more efficient and artifact-free VC1. IOW, BD needed dual layer 50gb of storage just to match HD-DVD's 20GB single layer discs. Now, after a preponderance of reviewers bashing mpeg2, Sony is finally acknowledging that it will eventually go VC1 or MPEG4. What a waste of initial titles that really put BD at a disadvantage. I am sure these titles will be reissued in VC1 sooner or later. ;D For Sony to insists on using an inferior decades old codec when a better codec is available is a real disservice to its customers. They are foisting old codec technology on a supposedly NEXT GEN format. Just because the codec is made by Microsoft. ;D Good thing there's Warner that uses VC1 on both its HD DVD and BD releases.The comparisons between VC-1 HD-DVD's and early MPEG2 BD releases are actually unfair because the early BD titles were in the BD25 format because BD50 discs were not yet ready at that time. Granted Sony made the mistake of using MPEG2 on BD25 discs, that does not mean that MPEG2 is inferior to AVC or VC-1 provided the correct bitrates for the respective codecs are used. Sure, fitting an MPEG2 encoded movie on a BD25 disc will make it look inferior to a VC-1 encoded HD-DVD15 because of the reduded MPEG2 bitrate to make it fit on the BD25 disc. However, now that BD50 disc production is available, there should be no difference between video quality on VC1 HD-DVD's and MPEG2 BD50 discs. In fact the reason why Sony is sticking with MPEG2 on BD50's is that MPEG2 is a simpler codec meaning there's less processing needed and results in less compression artefacts, albeit requiring more space which with BD50 discs is no longer an issue
However, now that BD50 disc production is available, there should be no difference between video quality on VC1 HD-DVD's and MPEG2 BD50 discs. In fact the reason why Sony is sticking with MPEG2 on BD50's is that MPEG2 is a simpler codec meaning there's less processing needed and results in less compression artefacts, albeit requiring more space which with BD50 discs is no longer an issue
The comparisons between VC-1 HD-DVD's and early MPEG2 BD releases are actually unfair because the early BD titles were in the BD25 format because BD50 discs were not yet ready at that time.
The comparisons between VC-1 HD-DVD's and early MPEG2 BD releases are actually unfair because the early BD titles were in the BD25 format because BD50 discs were not yet ready at that time. Granted Sony made the mistake of using MPEG2 on BD25 discs, that does not mean that MPEG2 is inferior to AVC or VC-1 provided the correct bitrates for the respective codecs are used. Sure, fitting an MPEG2 encoded movie on a BD25 disc will make it look inferior to a VC-1 encoded HD-DVD15 because of the reduded MPEG2 bitrate to make it fit on the BD25 disc. However, now that BD50 disc production is available, there should be no difference between video quality on VC1 HD-DVD's and MPEG2 BD50 discs. In fact the reason why Sony is sticking with MPEG2 on BD50's is that MPEG2 is a simpler codec meaning there's less processing needed and results in less compression artefacts, albeit requiring more space which with BD50 discs is no longer an issue
In the end though, enthusiasts wouldnt care what codec is superior or not....they just want to see HD movies in its full glory.
It may seem unfair, but really not when you consider that both sides went into the war prepared and armed with the technologies behind their respective formats and knowing fully well they were meant to satisfy customer expecation on what high definition is all about. The fact the BD came out with a half-baked product, using BD25 knowing fully well only a BD50 using MPEG2 at their highest bitrates will do is an ignominous indictment of BD's underestimation of its target market and a failure to meet its promise to early HD adopters who promptly lambasted their pathetic launch performance. They must have thought the public wouldn't notice.I will admit that Sony and co. did make the mistake of fudging up BD's launch (before I get accused of being a BD fanboy :P) but with the speed of advances in technology these days, the launch hiccups will be all but forgotten now that the BD gang has learned thier lesson. what matters is now and not "what happened during the launch" so there's really no point in dwelling on what happened months ago when those problems have now been fixed. While Sony does own some patens in the MPEG2 (as well as MPEG4/AVC) codec, all MPEG2/4 licensing is done through a separate organization called the MPEG Licensing Authority so neither Sony nor Toshiba have any "vested interests" in sticking with MPEG2 as the licensing for MPEG technology are pooled together (represented by the MPEG LA) and royalties are shared among the members of the MPEG patent pool, saving time and money for companes that wish to use MPEG technology. I highly doubt Sony will be using VC-1 for thier titles anytime soon as they already have MPEG4/AVC developed by Apple (who is also in the BD consortium) which provides the same quality as M$' VC-1 for low bitrate (ie. BD25 discs) applications. Remember, the launch is just the first round and the ones playing catch-up can (and sometimes do) win if they play thier cards right ;)
In the meantime, underdog To$hiba came out exceeding industry expectations that thought they won't hack it. It's now history. We all know the surprisingly well-deserved praises that HD-DVD got with the CONSISTENCY of picture quality on their releases where BD failed miserably precisely because of their use of a codec that required oodles of storage capacity it didn't have when it was released. That is why $ony insisted on a BD50 precisely because they knew their mpeg2 couldn't deliver with half the storage capacity.
Sure, mpeg2 films spread on BD50 can now look as good as a VC1 film on a single sided HD-DVD. It doesn't matter, that's like fitting an inefficient Cadillac Eldorado engine on a new BMW 7 chassis. ;D
The disussions in many avforums blaming mpeg2 for the less than stellar performance of the BD launch is quite involved. And the fact the $ony is finally going to use MPEG4/AVC and possbily VC1 is a tacit acknowledgement of their culpability in letting their launch product fail customer expectations because of a video codec that has absolutely no place in a NEXT GEN video format on discs.
$ony stands to eat its pride if and when it adopts VC1 which is unabashedly a Micro$oft product. $ony owns many patents to mpeg2 so it must insist on using it. But surprisingly, To$hiba also owns a number of patents to mpeg2 but wisely opted to use the more state-of-the-art compression codec when it had to. Ofcourse its association with Micro$oft helped but it's all history now. Micro$oft has made its VC1 technology available to both camps, that is why Warner have used it since Day1 of releasing titles in both formats. And I think Paramount/Fox is likewise adopting it in their newer releases.
Like what Munskie said, BD blew its chances to win the format war. Had it come out with the BD50 for its bloated mpeg2 requirements or used VC1 at launch, things could have turned out differently. As it is, BD is now on a catch-up mode. Just my observations.
Now that we have one title encoded on both formats, both dual layers, using the same masters, under the same studio and using the same video codec, which fared better?
---- It looks like it's another draw: Superman Returns (HD DVD) (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/supermanreturns.html)
I will admit that Sony and co. did make the mistake of fudging up BD's launch (before I get accused of being a BD fanboy :P) but with the speed of advances in technology these days, the launch hiccups will be all but forgotten now that the BD gang has learned thier lesson. what matters is now and not "what happened during the launch" so there's really no point in dwelling on what happened months ago when those problems have now been fixed. While Sony does own some patens in the MPEG2 (as well as MPEG4/AVC) codec, all MPEG2/4 licensing is done through a separate organization called the MPEG Licensing Authority so neither Sony nor Toshiba have any "vested interests" in sticking with MPEG2 as the licensing for MPEG technology are pooled together (represented by the MPEG LA) and royalties are shared among the members of the MPEG patent pool, saving time and money for companes that wish to use MPEG technology. I highly doubt Sony will be using VC-1 for thier titles anytime soon as they already have MPEG4/AVC developed by Apple (who is also in the BD consortium) which provides the same quality as M$' VC-1 for low bitrate (ie. BD25 discs) applications. Remember, the launch is just the first round and the ones playing catch-up can (and sometimes do) win if they play thier cards right ;)
How can anyone make a valid prediction in a time when there are barely 200 titles for each format, most of which I didn't even bother to buy in their previous DVD versions?
For video yes. But in toto, not entirely.
Those analysts are either stupid or simply well paid or both, and they're getting boring to read. Always the same plot? Anything new? How can anyone make a valid prediction in a time when there are barely 200 titles for each format, most of which I didn't even bother to buy in their previous DVD versions?
As somebody who has already bought an HD player, all I care about is a steadier and timely supply of honest to goodness HD movie titles that are worth owning or at least renting. And I'm definitely pissed that some of the better titles are available only in the other format that I don't own.
Oo nga, ano. It might be draw on the video department, but including other aspects, HD-DVD still wins over-all. (And we haven't even started discussing the price difference yet).
I think there are HD DVD titles with standard DVD format on the flip side which merit region coding, mostly from warner. But, HD DVD is region free. For now. ;D But region coding still applies for their SD-DVD playability..
On the other hand, baka inaccurate lang ang labeling ng Amazon on MI3- HD DVD as region 1. But not a bother because it plays just fine. So the player itself appears to be region free.
If you can show us a more accurate descriptive/inferential statistical analysis, I'd love to see it. Otherwise, you're the one who's got to be kidding me. ;D ;D ;D
Why would cymphony come up with this report anyway at this early stage of the war?
Oh, and it's only in Japan where BD has a substantial lead over HD DVD. Betamax also had a substantial lead there over VHS in the 80s. ;D
How about this...
China unveils fleet of 'HD DVD killer' players.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12/07/china_unveils_54_evd_players/
Seems like China will not be supporting HD DVD / Blu Ray.
How about this...
China unveils fleet of 'HD DVD killer' players.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12/07/china_unveils_54_evd_players/
Seems like China will not be supporting HD DVD / Blu Ray.
Toshiba HD-A2 on store shelves now
http://a.engadgethd.com/2006/12/08/toshiba-hd-a2-on-store-shelves-now/
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadgethd.com/media/2006/11/hd-e1-34r2-ref-a5i-lg.jpg)
Disney has officially been a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association since December 2004. However, since Paramount and Warner have released titles in both Blu-ray and HD-DVD, we know that there is no contractual prohibition against supporting both formats.plain rumors guys.....me big announcement raw, january CES....
Disney is now officially fence-sitting. ;D
1. Aug. 12, 2004: First announced by the Blu-ray Disc Association: BLU-RAY DISC ASSOCIATION WELCOMES THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY (http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Section-14029/Section-14033/Section-14038/Article-14849.html)
2. Dec. 8, 2004: Announced by Disney itself: THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY TO SUPPORT BLU-RAY DISC FORMAT (http://corporate.disney.go.com/news/corporate/2004/2004_1208_disneyblu-ray.html)
3. Mar 15, 2006: Disney may support both HD DVD and Blu-ray (http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/15/disney-may-support-both-hd-dvd-and-blu-ray/)
That's why there are no BD Disney releases yet. Nag-announce ng titles, pero walang release dates.
Mga master, anyone knows where I can buy the Toshiba HD-A1 locally? Mga magkano kaya
Universal players avert DVD format duel (http://www.eetasia.com/ART_8800446156_590626.HTM)
CES 2007 Predictions. "Remember, these are predictions only, not announcements!" :P
Microsoft Announces 2nd Generation Xbox 360 Console - OK, this may be way out there, but they need an update to support HDMI before the studios start enabling ICT and blocking all of us Xbox360 add-on owners from viewing glorious HD. Don't expect an entirely new platform, way too early for that, but perhaps additional output options in both audio and video as well as improved core processors.
Mr. Yacoubian agrees cheaper prices might give HD DVDs a leg up, but consumers will ultimately choose the player that shows the most movies.
I doubt the "typical" American consumer, who will ultimately decide which player goes under, bother to buy a European-Japanese HD-DVD title when there is a Blu ray disc of the same title sitting in their local video store...peace ;D
Blu Ray Faking Picture-In-Picture features
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There will be a HD DVD Party at the CES today......members at Avsforum are expecting announcements to be made before the day is over....... Ill be glad if Band of Brothers and Matrix trilogy or HP series will be announced.... ;D ;D
Harry Potter & the Goblet of Fire HDDVD is already released in the UK...sayang PAL format :(i know pwede yan.....HD DVD isnt yet region locked...correct me if im wrong...
i know pwede yan.....HD DVD isnt yet region locked...correct me if im wrong...
So, does this mean the "Blu Ray PIP Faking" is not true and only posted by a Troll?
That link was hilarious. A bunch of Hddvd owners patting themselves on the back and being all insulting and thinking they were oh so clever until the moderator came in and threatened to suspend half of them...
LG's Multi Blue Player BH100....the first dual format player...priced at $1199
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Originally Posted by LG Electronics
In addition to offering Full HD 1080p picture quality from high-definition discs, the player incorporates interactive functions based on BD-Java, which allows advanced menus and functions to be displayed over the video of Blu-ray discs. And, while the same level of advanced menu interactivity is not available while playing HD DVD discs, the powerful combination of Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD audio-video playback technologies is like no other on the market
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BOSTON-(Business Wire)-January 7, 2007 - LG's launch of the first dual-standard Blu-Ray Disc/HD-DVD player shifts the balance toward Blu-Ray Disc (BD) in the battle of the two formats, according to Strategy Analytics.If we'll be talking about the same titles, specifically those from format neutrals Warner and Paramount, Warner hasnt even released a single title in Blu-Ray with interactive HD features(In-Movie Experience). A classic example too is Paramount's M:I III effort on Blu-Ray...wherein at that time, there was no available authoring toolset for BD-Java, and as reviewed by highdef's peter bracke:
"Dual-standard players will help expand the market for next generation DVD players," says David Mercer, VP and Principal Analyst at Strategy Analytics. "But owners of the LG device will likely choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD for the same title because the player does not support the full range of interactive features available on HD-DVD discs."
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Blu-ray's first title with interactive PIP content, Descent, wont even play with the Sony and Pioneer BD players.
HD Bonus Content: Any Exclusive Goodies in There?
Now, here's the only aspect of the 'Mission: Impossible III' experience where the Blu-ray is outshined by the HD DVD. Included on the HD DVD only is a picture-in-picture interactive commentary, again anchored by filmmaker J.J. Abrams and Tom Cruise. That's due to what Paramount says was a lack of a "fully-functioning authoring toolset" for the Blu-ray format's BD-J Java environment, so it wasn't possible to include the feature on the Blu-ray release in time for 'M:I III's home video launch date.
Ito isang sagot tungkol sa subject sa AVS...Yung pangalan lang ng AVS contributor duda na ::) ::)
Im glad this topic of HD feature like Picture in Picture (PIP) interactivity was raised. To those who havent adopted to HD yet, this is an advanced feature that lets you watch some special features content in PIP while you're watching the movie.
yeah...give us the Matrix Trilogy....in Dolby TrueHD with IME!!!! ;D ;D ;D
yipeee matrix rilogy for hd dvd ;D
the 3RL is in the news, thats why microsoft is planning on making units using 65nm processors for cooler operation.
BOSTON-(Business Wire)-January 7, 2007 - LG's launch of the first dual-standard Blu-Ray Disc/HD-DVD player shifts the balance toward Blu-Ray Disc (BD) in the battle of the two formats, according to Strategy Analytics.
"Dual-standard players will help expand the market for next generation DVD players," says David Mercer, VP and Principal Analyst at Strategy Analytics. "But owners of the LG device will likely choose Blu-Ray over HD-DVD for the same title because the player does not support the full range of interactive features available on HD-DVD discs."
CES: Toshiba Surprises with 50GB HD DVD
the link http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES:_Toshiba_Surprises_with_50GB_HD_DVD/422 (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/CES:_Toshiba_Surprises_with_50GB_HD_DVD/422[/u)
might require new set of players...patay patay yan....
...as why its market share will continue to increase this year, all but eliminating any competition by 2010.
Blu-ray has 96% of the HD player market in Japan. "In terms of Japan the game is already over there."
LET MORE BLU RAY BASHING BEGIN... >:( >:(
gee...I guess a Dai-ichi HD DVD isn't far off with these generic brands coming out. It shows that Toshiba is willing to stoop that low cuz no Korean or Japanese ('cept Onkyo, but who owns a Onkyo DVD?) brand name takers.
CES 2007: Blu-ray Proponents Predict HD-DVD to Fail
http://gear.ign.com/articles/753/753693p1.html
"According to Understanding & Solutions, the Blu-ray market-share is projected to climb some 79% this year and 84% next year."
The way I see it with all these CES announcements, its all great for both sides, and it largely depends on what side you're on, and whether to take them as propaganda or truth. Im partial to HD DVD and not all excited for Blu-ray for the simple fact that with all these BD exclusives, I know they will certainly look good equivalently or even better with HD DVD as well (as shown by neutrals Warner and Paramount's dual format's release). Its just sad that the main advantage of studio support for Blu-ray have been used (as what a fellow poster in another forum would say) as a blunt force intrument upon consumers via higher priced players.
Its just sad that the main advantage of studio support for Blu-ray have been used (as what a fellow poster in another forum would say) as a blunt force intrument upon consumers via higher priced players.
Additional news from CES
China Manufacturer Shinco to release HD DVD
KAH----CHING!
MUSIC to my ears.
It will be a matter of time now before HK will be flooded w/ these.
KAH----CHING!Bring them on my friend!!! ;D ;D
MUSIC to my ears.
It will be a matter of time now before HK will be flooded w/ these.
So who knows, there might be sub-$150 HD DVD players by Chrstmas 2007. ;D
You still get an excellent upconverting DVD player afterall... ;D
as long as i get gladiator, matrix trilogy, LOTR trilogy, harry potter series for hd dvd its all good with me, for the titles not coming to hd dvd but on dvd? at least i have an excellent upconverting dvd player ;DPlay BD exclusives on dvd?? ;D ;D yeah why not. Its an option im likely to explore coz im a movie lover first and foremost. Until then, ill be getting my HD fix with HD DVD while waiting for this war to be resolved.
Hopefully, BD will follow HD-DVD footstop by lincensing it to the Chinese....then when the time comes & the price is right, then we consumers & HD-DVD owners can afford to buy a BD player as well. :)sure. getting a Blu-ray player within my price range is definitely a tempting offer. format war solved for me then.
Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing... ;D ;Dyeah...switching to the dark side is easy if you could give me a $200 BD player..... ;D ;D
Hopefully, BD will follow HD-DVD footstop by lincensing it to the Chinese....then when the time comes & the price is right, then we consumers & HD-DVD owners can afford to buy a BD player as well. :)
Interesting to read someone made a comparison between the sales ranks of titles realesed in both formats at Amazon as of 1 jan 07.
Superman Returns:
HD-DVD Sales Rank - #1169
Blu-Ray Sales Rank - #8417
Mission Impossible 3 (Ultimate Missions Collection):
HD-DVD Sales Rank - #1641
Blu-Ray Sales Rank - #3659
The Last Samurai:
HD-DVD Sale Rank - #2729
Blu-Ray Sale Rank - #3816
Corpse Bride:
HD-DVD - #2388
Blu-Ray - #5096
Sleepy Hollow:
HD-DVD - #3521
Blu-Ray - #6989
Four Brothers:
HD-DVD - #12589
Blu-Ray - #32402
Tomb Raider:
HD-DVD - #7574
Blu-Ray - #8266
A Christmas Story:
HD-DVD - #2389
Blu-Ray - #11863
http://web.mac.com/lukeamotion/iWeb/LukeAMotion/Blog/B7CFDE87-A05F-4C71-B94E-DA162254DB9E.html
If someone here is resourceful enough to compare the rest of the titles in both formats, that would be informative.
A reminder of the previous war....hopefully SONY will not repeat its own history :)
Bitter Betamax owners cringed in their ever-decreasing corner of the video store while VHS owners gloated.
For consumers, the most immediately obvious difference between the two formats was the recording length.
The victory was not due to any technical superiority (Betamax is arguably a better format),
Sony's founder, Akio Morita, claimed that licensing problems between Sony and other companies slowed the growth of Betamax and allowed VHS to become established
It is certainly true that VHS machines were initially much simpler and cheaper to manufacture, which would obviously be an attraction to companies deciding which standard to back.
Of course, both Betamax and VHS were eventually made obsolete by digital technology.
Hopefully, BD will follow HD-DVD footstop by lincensing it to the Chinese....then when the time comes & the price is right, then we consumers & HD-DVD owners can afford to buy a BD player as well. :)
But the price at $39.95 for the HD DVD/DVD combo?? >:( I dislike those combo cos it's adding the cost up :'(
The DVD version cost $28.98 :o :o
The porn industry prefers HD-DVD (http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces2007_hddvd_blu_ray/)
Debbie does Blu-ray and HD DVD ...
... Vivid Entertainment will release its first adult film on Blu-ray and HD-DVD in late March or early April, TVPredictions.com has learned.
The first release will be Debbie Does Dallas... Again, a remake of the classic Debbie Does Dallas. The film stars Stefani Morgan as Debbie and is directed by Paul Thomas.
In high def video, it seems that the porn industry is siding with HD-DVD not because they prefer it, but because they have no choice. Tech news reports have it that Sony has recently prohibited licensees from replicating porn on Blu ray equipment, and are threatening license revocation if they fail to comply.
Dont you think guys, the effect of porn in this format war isnt that huge, compared to the beta-vhs days...coz of all the downloadable porn on the net? :)
sony while a big proponent of blu ray will not be the only one to suffer if blu ray fails, its the whole blu ray group
I would think that if there's anyone BDA member who stands to gain or lose the most from this format war, it would be SONY. ;D
Misconception:
Sony aren't against the porn industry per se (or at least not alone), BDA are.
In Raw World of Sex Movies, High Definition Could Be a View Too Real
"They have discovered that the technology is sometimes not so sexy. The high-definition format is accentuating imperfections in the actors — from a little extra cellulite on a leg to wrinkles around the eyes."
Exactly as mentioned by av_phile1 ;D
Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/business/media/22porn.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1169434947-f/mtHjOYi8CX8Rt7WMpc1A&oref=slogin
In Raw World of Sex Movies, High Definition Could Be a View Too Real
"They have discovered that the technology is sometimes not so sexy. The high-definition format is accentuating imperfections in the actors — from a little extra cellulite on a leg to wrinkles around the eyes."
Exactly as mentioned by av_phile1 ;D
Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/business/media/22porn.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1169434947-f/mtHjOYi8CX8Rt7WMpc1A&oref=slogin
Good. Now's let's wait & see..the truth will come out soon. Wow..this HD porn format issue causes quite a stir in the HD industry ;D
Whether porn is in HD-DVD or BD, with the retail price of about $50, many will shy away..it's simply too expensive to enjoy :P
This Disney talaga, initially they pledge to support both HD-DVD & BD...and now it seems they only focus in releasing their movies in BD format.... :-\
How sad & kawawa for us HD-DVD supporters :'(
Sino dito Blu-ray supporter din other than Mouldingo, NeilNo & aldrinpsx ha?? >:( Lucky dudes ;D I guess it's time we have to write in a petition to Disney noh? hehe :P
This Disney talaga, initially they pledge to support both HD-DVD & BD...and now it seems they only focus in releasing their movies in BD format.... :-\
How sad & kawawa for us HD-DVD supporters :'(
Disney are part of the BDA Board of Directory, so it's highly unlikely that they will support HD DVD. Then again, Dell introduced HD DVD drives to some of their PCs, and they're also among the BoD :) This format war is the most confusing one so far.
@Mouldingo:
I don't care about those, when will they make Lizzie McGuire hits Dallas?? ;D ;D ;D
If they get released by Studio Canal or Pathe in Europe, they'll be in HD DVD, like some titles already are.
sa hongkong 34-35k lang ang 60gig version ng ps3 may kasama ng 3 games and 2 controllers. not bad na rin given it's capablities para ka lang bumili ng htpc(w/c it sort of is). blueray pa :) risk lang nga dun pag nagkaproblema sony philippines can't help you :P
Disney is also a BD supporter because of BD's (supposedly) "more secure" copy protection in the form of BD+ which is even more restrictive than the AACS used by HD DVD. This is also why Fox is BD exclusive as the DVD Forum wouldn't accomodate (or give in to, depending on who you ask) Fox's request/demand for stronger copy protection.
Yep, my fingers crossed! It's very frustrating esp to see some of our favourite movies are being released in the opposite format. :-[ Hmm...unless the PS3 price will drop to an incredible low level, then I might consider getting one...by then whichever format wins, I've no worry noh?? :P
PS3 prices in Japan are being slashed because of non-moving inventories.
PS3 sales in Japan haven't cooled off, they've frozen. Consoles sit on shelves as gamers wait it out: Waiting for actual games to appear or prices to drop. Retailers, on the other hand, are an impatient lot. Retailers are also buying "used" PS3s at much lower prices than previously, paying well under the original sticker price. Just look at how the Don Quijote in Akihabara is slicing 20 percent off the 20GB PLAYSTATION 3. Nice 20-20 irony. The 20GB version originally books at 49,980 yen (US $412), but is being offered for 39,980 yen ($329) in a sale ending February. The shop is knocking a flat 10,000 yen ($82) right now. Japanese bulletin board 2chan reports that this at other Don Quijotes as well. It's interesting to check out the PS3 vibe at 2chan; Reasons for not buying go from "there are no games I want" to "video stores don't rent Blu-ray movies." Well, not yet that is. Brian Ashcraft
http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/japanese-stores-slashing-20gb-prices-230297.php
If not mistaken, Japan, US and Southeast Asia belong in the same Region 1 for blu ray, so you may want to consider getting a 20Gb ps3 in Japan for a measly $329 (about P16,000). Just hand carry it and give something to customs when you get back. ;D You have until end of Feb to visit the land of the rising sun and falling ps3 prices. ;D
No worry, there's no rush naman ::) to get a PS3. Guess I'll have to sit tight & wait patiently to see what will happen next.
Meanwhile, I'll enjoy my HD-DVD while it lasts... ;D
No worry, there's no rush naman ::) to get a PS3. Guess I'll have to sit tight & wait patiently to see what will happen next.
Meanwhile, I'll enjoy my HD-DVD while it lasts... ;D
Yes agree :) Hopefully by then, our local shops will carrying "modified" PS3 to accept "cheaper" games. The current game price is also way too high around $55 :o
So far, is there any major glitches or concerns reported for the PS3 as a HD player?
Yes agree :) Hopefully by then, our local shops will carrying "modified" PS3 to accept "cheaper" games. The current game price is also way too high around $55 :o
Based on what I've read in other AV forums, the PS3 is the best BD player out there in terms of features, like true BD-Java.
And the cheapest. Thus, it offers the best price performance value as a BD player.
Surprising for me, as I never had any confidence on game consoles as a music or video-only playback device. THe PS3 is apparently an exception.
AH..here's some good news for HD-DVD supporters :Dthey should release fast and soon.......until i see actual release dates there, I wont start dancing. Until then, ill be waiting for my wife's gift......oh september pa pala... ;D ;D
Universal Studios Home Entertainment Fuels HD DVD Momentum with More Than 100 HD DVD Offerings Planned for Release in 2007. Thursday January 25, 9:14 pm ET
Dynamic Line-Up Includes New and Classic Film and Television Favorites Such As Scarface, 40-Year-Old Virgin, Brokeback Mountain and Battlestar Galactica S1
LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Bringing further heat to the burgeoning HD DVD format, Universal Studios Home Entertainment (USHE) will release more than 100 new film and television titles in 2007. Perennial favorites such as Scarface and instant classics like 40-Year-Old Virgin, Battlestar Galactica S1 and Oscar®-winning Brokeback Mountain will be joined by dozens of new titles released day and date with the DVD.
Since the format's inception in April 2006, USHE has released 60 titles on HD DVD, and currently boasts four of the top 10 best-selling HD DVDs year-to-date, including Casino, Serenity, Fearless and Miami Vice.
Tapping into the studio's vast library, the 2007 slate kicked off on January 18th with the release of The Mummy Returns, followed by Brokeback Mountain, starring Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal on January 23, 2007. Following shortly thereafter will be such day-and-date new releases as Golden Globe®-nominee Hollywoodland on February 6. More than 90% of the planned 2007 Universal titles will be released as combo discs - which feature an HD DVD version and a standard DVD version of the movie on the same disc.
Full article: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070125/20070125006192.html?.v=1 :)
Until then, ill be waiting for my wife's gift......oh september pa pala... ;D ;D
Its a gift...how can I resist? I m just human.....not a Jedi....hahahaha ;D ;D
Oh..a new gift is coming in September? Pls Anakin..I beg you not to jump/turn to the Dark Force... :P ;D
No Spielberg movies in the near-future, but that's hardly a shock or unexpected! More than 100 titles are promised by year's end...
Blu ray: Porn or no porn?
Conflicting reports have caused confusion. To put things in their proper perspective, here's a brief rundown of the press reports to date:
1) Joone (Digital Playground founder and adult movie director) said last year that he had an agreement with Sony for publication of movies on Blu-Ray. Later, U.S. Blu-Ray Disc copying facilities refused to work with him. Joone now says that according to those companies, Sony threatened to revoke their Blu-Ray licenses should they publish adult content in Blu-Ray format. http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/13/155907.php (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/13/155907.php)
Note that the news report was based on an interview with Joone, so it was nothing more than hearsay. Nevertheless, his statement made the rounds in tech circles, coupled with predictions of Blu ray's early demise.
2) Presumably rattled by all the gossip, the Blu ray Disc Association (BDA) shifted into damage control mode and issued the following statement:
"The BDA welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format, particularly those from the content industry," said the BDA's Gordon. "We look forward to working with any content providers interested in providing their audience with [the] best possible high definition home entertainment experience." http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Blu-ray_Refutes_Claims_of_Porn_Ban_Vivid_Plans_First_High-Def_Release/437 (http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Blu-ray_Refutes_Claims_of_Porn_Ban_Vivid_Plans_First_High-Def_Release/437)
It's an official official press release this time, but note that this official statement came from BDA, not Sony itself.
Just when you thought that the issue has been satisfactorily clarified, here comes the latest tech news:
3) Sony announced that it won't allow its subsidiary, Sony DADC Global, from producing any adult film titles. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/bluray-porn-update-not-getting-it-on-230134.php (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/bluray-porn-update-not-getting-it-on-230134.php)
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/8763/52/ (http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/8763/52/)
Blu-ray Refutes Claims of Porn Ban; Vivid Plans First High-Def Release
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Without responding directly to Digital Playground's claims, Marty Gordon, vicechair of the Blu-ray Disc Association US Promotions Committee emphasized in a statement to Ars Technica that the Sony-backed organization is committed to working with "all" content providers.
"The BDA welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format, particularly those from the content industry," said the BDA's Gordon. "We look forward to working with any content providers interested in providing their audience with [the] best possible high definition home entertainment experience."
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Blu ray disc manufacturer Sony DADC Global will not produce BD with porn content, because Sony DADC Global is a Sony subsidiary.
However, a porn producer can still get his content on Blu ray. Since the BDA does not prohibit porn, other manufacturers that are not Sony subsidiaries will be willing to manufacture the discs.
Sony warns that any BD replicator who produces porn titles will have its license revoked. Is that limited only to Sony DADC? It sounds like the threat applies to ALL replicators currently holding BD licenses.
I just donwloaded the BDA charter from here:
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/downloadablefile/BDA_Charter(version1.0)-13035.pdf
There's a clause there that says BDA members will agree to grant "irrevocable" rights to any entity the BDA authorizes to issue license for the use of BD. So it seems to me that the Sony threat is all bluster and can't revoke licenses unilaterally. Did I interpret that right?
Ang tindi mo naman, bosing -- nakita mo pa yung Charter nila!
Yup, I think that has been confirmed by no less than Sony.
Sony warns that any BD replicator who produces porn titles will have its license revoked. Is that limited only to Sony DADC? It sounds like the threat applies to ALL replicators currently holding BD licenses.
someone selling 60gb at 35k sa pinoypsx........
33k na lang daw hehe ;D
Kaso the PS3 Servers are not yet unified eh.
If you plan to play online using an Asian PS3, you will be connected to an asian server.
Same applies to the PS Store.
You will be connected to a Regional PS Store depending on your unit.
Sony really needs to catch up in the online gaming department. 24k for a 60gb ps3 sounds good.
This is a different war though but i admit that i like the wii gameplay wise 8)
On PS3 Server access and PS Store:
According to a member at pinoypsx, Server connection is really dependent on
the unit. So, if you have a Jap PS3, you will be connected to a Jap Server, so on and so forth.
But, this is en exception to the game Resistance wherein all of online gamers are connected to
the US Server.
And Indeed, a unified server is to be launched in March 2007.
On the PS Store naman, you can access ung ibang Store regardless of what unit you have.
You just have to create an account for a correspondidng PS Store.
Cheers.
@ av_phile:
Mga 10k ang difference between the 20gb and the 60gb version. If you're only after gaming and occassional movies, go for the 20GB version. The HDD is user-swappable anyway because it uses standard 2.5" SATA. Sony even encourages it by including instruction on how to DIY the HDD swap in the user's manual and is really quite easy. The only relevant bells and whistles you'll lose anyway are the WiFi connection and the card reader, which to some gamers are a big SO WHAT? Unfortunately, WiFi's a big issue for me, since my lifetime project is a Smart Home (WiFi is one part of that project) and I'd rather have the WiFi built-in instead of buying an optional adaptor which is still non-existent. No one has ever experimented on using the WiFi adaptors for the PC. Theoretically they should work.
How much more costly is the 60gb PS3 over the lower version?.
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Game publishers are also given free reign when it comes to the online component of their games. Yup, Sony's got a lot of catching up to do when it comes to refining the online experience, but we have to remember online gaming comes free ;D so i can live with that :D
Would prefer the 60gb too...WIFI is important to me..... :).
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I paid 4700 yen (approx. $40) for a 13-month (12+1) subscription to Xbox Live. $3 per month for awesome online gaming experience. 10 cents a day. Is that so much to pay for the experience Now?
Yeah, that's why i just sit back and relax, then grab some popcorns (while watching my DVDs) heheheh..
Still sitting on the fence here. I'm inclined to get PS3 but when I learned that it cannot play upconvert.I declined. No big deal! But now that I learned that ,it cannot play movies on 720p. I have to wait again.PS3 cant play BD movies at 720p?
Possible hd dvd warner releases for april:
4/10 - The Matrix
4/10 - The Matrix Reloaded
4/10 - Matrix Revolutions
First of all, I have to say Im neither pro bd or pro hddvd. I was at informax parksquare and they were playing "I think" blue ray Behind enemy lines on a PS3 on a pioneer plasma. I was checking it out and it looks pretty grainy... Is this just the movie, the transfer or the pioneer plasma?.
I've always suspected that HD is possible with the existing DVD disc, and that the manufacturers insisted on entirely new formats only to justify a new round of high prices.
First of all, I have to say Im neither pro bd or pro hddvd. I was at informax parksquare and they were playing "I think" blue ray Behind enemy lines on a PS3 on a pioneer plasma. I was checking it out and it looks pretty grainy... Is this just the movie, the transfer or the pioneer plasma?
I suspect it's the transfer because I recently watched Stealth in BD on a 46 inch Bravia LCD (not mine..he he he)..very grainy too.
I have behind enemy lines on blu ray and i didnt find it grainy, might be display dependent too aside from the transfer
Could be an interim solution while waiting for 1080p LCDs to come down in price.
I believe almost any display can be grainy...if you watch too close. When you go to video stores & nitpick a display from 1-2m away is unrealistic IMO. Specially if you actually watch from 3-4m away at home, where you wont be seeing the grains anyway.
Mr. Rivo always consulted me via cell when he was shopping for an LCD TV. My first question to him was always: "How far away will you be watching?" :)
Yep, how true! I'm satisfy with my existing 720p & will wait till those ridiculous high price of 1080p to come down...really down ;D
But it will have to play on standard DVD players using red lasers to take off. One of the disincentives going HD is having to spend on new players and appropriate displays. At least with 720p, people might be able to see some picture quality jump on their existing 32"-34" regular TVs.
If HD-DVD doesn't release 300 (assuming it's a very good movie) that's it! I'll jump to BD! :Pits distributed by Warner...so no need to worry.......and Im hoping it will have In-Movie-Experience feature.....oh btw, PS3 31k na lang.........still holding.......but I know ill go format neutral....
21k for a 20gb ps3? 8)
Yup! Jap 20GB PS3. I think it's ok if you're just gonna use it for Bluray movies. ;Dyup mario..where did you see the 21k 20gb?
celtex i believeah ok. wheres this sir? :)
Nasa 21k na lang ang 20GB PS3. ;D
celtex can be found in the theater mall near infomax
Sir mouldingo,
Magkano po sa inyo ang Bluray disc at ano anong titles na ang meron kayo? I'm planning to buy a ps3 kasi but i want to know kung saan meron mga bluray discs. ;)
Another few mediocre titles....come on Universal
I want Matrix Trilogy, Lord of the Ring Trilogy, Starwars Sixlogy....then I wil be very very happy! ;D
I want Matrix Trilogy, Lord of the Ring Trilogy, Starwars Sixlogy....then I wil be very very happy! ;D
Correct me if I'm wrong. I think there are more than 15,000 DVD titles available and not even 500 titles for HD DVD and Blu Ray combined (including promises). Still a long long way to go. zzzzz zzzzzz zzzzzzz. That's not my snore, I was suddenly reminded of my test scores in EE during college..my professor preferred writing Z instead of 0 for zero ;D.
Just wondering, what are the chances of the 10M Xbox360 user-base buying the HD DVD add on drive if MS/Toshiba sells that add-on at cost (probably $100). Afterall, MS is already making money out of the console itself, unlike my dear Sony.
Toshiba's 51GB HD DVD disc. To promote the storage media or to increase capacity for HD films and features? WTF, I love those multi-disc super special extended platinum director's unrated anniversary packages. ;D
I just have a question. BD is saying their superiority is in the 50 gig disc. May I ask for those 50 gig disc that are already released, what are their advantages so far?
1. are there more special features?
2. I keep hearing about this lossless audio, sorry im new in this market but kinda know what it is. Is this where the advantage is versus the 30 gig hddvds
3. More storage space for what?
Thanks
Tho its certainly good news to know more HD-DVDs tittles are coming our way but those announced tittles are insufficient to excite me like a happy bee. Unlike BD tittles which are really tempting.... :-[go neutral paul... ;D ;D
Common studios...I know you can do much better than this :-\
go neutral paul... ;D ;D
Yes yes I will go neutral once I get my hand on a PS3...learning from you guys...I'm still trying to hint to my wifey to get me a PS3 as a gift but so far still no reaction :-[
Unlike some of you lucky dudes who got your PS3 from the wifey! ;D
Whoa too much DARK FORCES around here...I got to be careful or else will get suck in as well hehe.. ;D
give in...give in to the dark side... :D :D
hmmm...$28.95
With that price, I'll used up my cash to hoard up some criterion dvds :)
Just my opinion :)
Once you've watched HD, you'll never want to go back to DVD. Even yung mga upscaled machines can't match the PQ ng HD.
Once you've watched HD, you'll never want to go back to DVD. Mukha ng out of focus yung DVD compared to HD. Even yung mga upscaled machines can't match the PQ ng HD.uy we agree on this one sir.....hehehehe. Even the worst looking HD titles are still better than their SD counterpart.
However, due to limited available tittles & high cost, I'm afraid many will still stuck with their SD-DVD as constant companions ;D
BD sales is doing very well in the US while in UK over 80% sales are from HD-DVD.
So the format war is certainly far from over..it wil rage on but hopefully not as long as the classic Betamax vs VHS case. :)
Inititially I supported BD but later ended up with HD-DVD.... :-\ I just hope I place the right bet ::)
Well, that's the risk & thrill for being early adopters ;D
BD sales is doing very well in the US while in UK over 80% sales are from HD-DVD.
So the format war is certainly far from over..it wil rage on but hopefully not as long as the classic Betamax vs VHS case. :)
Inititially I supported BD but later ended up with HD-DVD.... :-\ I just hope I place the right bet ::)
Well, that's the risk & thrill for being early adopters ;D
Simple reason HD DVD is doing well in UK...
PS3 is not yet release in UK.. Sa March 23 pa. I'm sure BD sales will pick up.. ;D
Initially I was a BD advocater due to its technical superiority but now a HD-DVD supporter. The thing that got me into HD-DVD instead was due to the cheaper HD player price (the main factor in my case).
But seeing the current thread (BD outselling HD-DVD with a margin 2 to 1)....I'm tempted to change site as BD offers much better tittles (at least to my taste ;D ), some new movies, e.g. Departed & Happy feet are cheaper than HD-DVD. Also HD-DVD releases some old movies in Combo format (ridiculous), thus price is higher. :(
Once the BD player price has dropped to a level comparable to the Tosh entry level...the boat will over-turn...I will jump ship immediately! (oops..I meant to be NEUTRAL lang) ;D
Just curious: di ba for your purposes, mas bagay ang LG universal player? Of course, the disadvantage is incomplete HD-DVD features, but doesn't the ability to play both formats outweigh the slight disadvantage?for the price of the LG combo player which is $1200...you can get a stand alone HD DVD player from Tosh $499 and a $599 PS3...me sukli pa.....
Ang problema, baka pag bumalik ka sa BD, baka makabawi na naman ang HD-DVD. Paano yun, balik na naman sa HD-DVD?
:D Oo nga, ano.no spare cash...thats why im selling my SD DVDs...... ;D ;D
You guys have too much spare cash to play with. ;D ;D ;D
Ang problema, baka pag bumalik ka sa BD, baka makabawi na naman ang HD-DVD. Paano yun, balik na naman sa HD-DVD?
Just curious: di ba for your purposes, mas bagay ang LG universal player? Of course, the disadvantage is incomplete HD-DVD features, but doesn't the ability to play both formats outweigh the slight disadvantage?
for the price of the LG combo player which is $1200...you can get a stand alone HD DVD player from Tosh $499 and a $599 PS3...me sukli pa.....
no spare cash...thats why im selling my SD DVDs...... ;D ;D
Sorry bro, problema ko is I can't understand Tagalog eh :-[
I can guess you're asking why don't I buy a universal player so that I can enjoy both HD formats? :)
So sorry, sir pchin. I'll keep that in mind. Yes, that's right. I was also asking that if you go back to BD and HD-DVD suddenly picks up again, would you again go back to HD-DVD?
I'm one of the many admirers of Pchin's Comfort Zone and those stunning screen shots, and from what I see, your TV really does need high def sources because I'm guessing that standard DVD will look awful on it.
No worry barrister. ;) Ah now I know your question.
Assuming if I decide to pick up BD in the future (PS3 is a possibility), then I would become NEUTRAL (i.e. I don't take site on either format) as oppose to joining the DARK force (to be blunt, it means jump ship or switch camp). :P
Since I own both BD & HD-DVD players, I simply enjoy the best movies available that both sides can offer. Should either one wins the format war, I will buy the prevailing format & keep the rest in my HD library (which I still can enjoy watching). There's no need to double dip. :)
for the price of the LG combo player which is $1200...you can get a stand alone HD DVD player from Tosh $499 and a $599 PS3...me sukli pa.....
still possible...as Universal has warmed up with its recent releases. and low cost players will come into mix too. But BD group still has advantage in content...thats why I dropped my stance na....and going neutral....very soon.
Amazon's HD sales eversince the 50% discount started. Mmmm...very tempting indeed. ;D ;D And there seems to be more neutral HD-DVD owners (buying BD after buying HD DVD), than BD owners jumping ship.Whoa very impressive sales figure! :o No doubt after the release of PS3 in all the Euro countries (imagine so many of them) on March 23...BD sales will shoot up like sky rocket!! :o After that what will happen to us HD-DVD suporter? :-[
People are still complaining that Universal is not releasing the big gun titles.Probably by then only Universal will release all its BIG gun tittles to turn the table around but hopefully it's not too late... ;D
Whoa very impressive sales figure! :o No doubt after the release of PS3 in all the Euro countries (imagine so many of them) on March 23...BD sales will shoot up like sky rocket!! :o After that what will happen to us HD-DVD suporter? :-[
Probably by then only Universal will release all its BIG gun tittles to turn the table around but hopefully it's not too late... ;D
February Disc Sales: Blu-ray Continues to Outsell HD DVD; 'Departed' Offers Head-to-Head Sales Comparison
February again saw Blu-ray disc sales outnumber HD DVD by a wide margin, but a performance comparison of the month's top-selling disc may be the bigger story.
For the second month in a row, Blu-ray disc sales exceeded those of HD DVD by 2:1, with trade magazine Video Business today citing industry sources as saying a total of 250,000 Blu-ray movies were sold in February, versus an estimated 125,000 HD DVD movies in the same timeframe.
Perhaps more interesting, though, are the per-format sales for the month's top selling disc on both formats, Warner's 'The Departed.' Again according to numbers published by Video Business, in its first week of release, 'The Departed' sold 20,000 units on Blu-ray versus 13,000 on HD DVD.
These numbers would appear to contradict the widely-floated theory that Blu-ray's sales ascension is a direct result of the larger number of Blu-ray discs released since the first of the year (by our count, there were 55 Blu-ray releases in first eight weeks of the year, compared to 23 HD DVD releases in the same period).
While 20,000 vs 13,000 isn't a 2:1 margin, it does seem to suggest that Blu-ray's lead can be attributed to more than just that format's fatter release slate.
To be fair, 'The Departed' isn't the perfect apples-to-apples case study, as the HD DVD edition of the disc is an HD DVD/Standrd-Def DVD combo, making it five dollars more expensive than its Blu-ray counterpart.
Sony VP Rich Marty told Video Business that he expected the gap between Blu-ray and HD DVD to further widen in March, helped by next week's release of the highly anticipated 'Casino Royale,' which (like all Sony titles) will be released on Blu-ray only.
Universal VP Ken Graffeo cautioned against drawing long-term conclusions based on recent sales data, saying "You can’t look at the last two months as a trend or as what the consumer wants to do in this format... It’s really an artificial, short time period."
Graffeo went on to suggest that Blu-ray numbers are getting a boost from two-for-one specials offered by some retailers, pointing out Amazon's Blu-ray sale, offering 50% off select Blu-ray discs.
Whoa very impressive sales figure! :o No doubt after the release of PS3 in all the Euro countries (imagine so many of them) on March 23...BD sales will shoot up like sky rocket!! :o After that what will happen to us HD-DVD suporter?
I hope China produce more HD-DVD players so that it can flood RP with Xenon HD-DVD, Orange HD-DVD, Rhong-xin HD-DVD, etc. etc. ;D ;D Then HD-DVD disc will be sold at a discount, if these happens, HD will win not only in RP but also in Asia. ;D ;D
Does anyone know if the xbox 360's hddvd player upscales ordinary dvd titles?
By then the BD studios would be bringing out the big gun titles like the Star Wars series (.
But i think the true measure can be had if there is a comparison on a by title basis.
afaik most players can do 720p/1080i through component. 1080p lang ata restricted to an hdcp compliant monitorthnx ET414 720p/1080p will be fine for me How bout ps3 and Xbox hddvd? thru component pwede din ba? thanks
yes 720p/1080i only through componentalright thanks again :)
yes 720p/1080i only through component
I have both consoles & they can output 1080p, 1080i, 720p thru component input .
So, both have component output jack which i can use to connect to my InFocus X1 using component to vga cable? Meaning i can enjoy HD-DVD or Bluray movies using PS3 or Xbox 360 w/ HD player using InFocus X1 as display?
You need MS proprietary HD cable (with component video or D-terminal, or VGA on one end - your choice) for the X360 to watch HD. The component video or D cable (if Japanese unit) is bundled with the so called premium X360 pack. I think there is also a Monster cable available. For PS3, please check carefully regarding HD compatibility issues when connecting through component video instead of HDMI. AFAIK, the PS3 package includes a composite AV cable only, but the component video/d cable is available as an option for about $30.
Upscaling in the Xbox 360 is possible only thru vga output up to 1080p.
'Casino Royale' Blu-ray Cracks Amazon Top Ten
Ahh ok. I think i prefer Xbox 360 w/ hd player than PS3.
I have both consoles & they can output 1080p, 1080i, 720p thru component input .wow....games galore ka dyan yan ha! :) im leaning towards ps3 coz of BD, does it upconvert to 720p/1080i when playing sddvds thru compnent? i have several sacd titles din thanks kulit no hehehehehe :)
I have both consoles & they can output 1080p, 1080i, 720p thru component input .
Confused lang ako dito.Have not tried it yet coz I don't have a 1080p display but both consoles' manuals state they do.
Kasi walang HDTV that accepts 1080p through Component.
Even Blu Ray movies only output 1080p through HDMI.
Confused lang ako dito.
Kasi walang HDTV that accepts 1080p through Component.
Even Blu Ray movies only output 1080p through HDMI.
wow....games galore ka dyan yan ha! :) im leaning towards ps3 coz of BD, does it upconvert to 720p/1080i when playing sddvds thru compnent? i have several sacd titles din thanks kulit no hehehehehe :)as of now the PS3 has no upscaling capabilities for sd dvds & it's sd dvd playback is just like any ordinary dvd player. You need a receiver with HDMI input for SACD audio.
"The HD DVD promotional group, in a separate presentation, said consumers should not only focus on the big blockbuster titles from Hollywood, but also those from regional film houses in Europe and Asia which would bring many titles to HD DVD because it was cheaper and simpler" ;D
yeah... I agree. Too much baloney I think....three years? DVD is the most successful video format ever......replacing it wont come in three years...
Hindi lang daw HD-DVD ang talo niya, pati daw Standard DVD, talo daw niya in 3 years... yabang talaga ng Blu ray, o. :o ;D :D
As far as i can recall, BD has always declared its avowed intentions of replacing the DVD as the next de facto video standard for HT since the start. 3 years might actually be possible if the ff conditions appear:I dont know about that, Not all BD/HDDVD have all those perfect transfers. Some upscaled dvds are just as good as those poor transfers. I dont think everybody will replace all their collection just like that even if prices come down to very low levels. At the moment BD also dont have much special features. IMO dvd market is too huge to be gone in 3 years, transition will take some time.
(1) Cheap HDTV from china at par with ordinary TVs.
(2) Cheap BD standalone players, (from china but BD has repeatedly refused to deal with them, unlike HDDVD).
(3) Cheap titles (already available)
(4) More titles (possible within 2 years to match DVD titles)
(4) Announcement from the studios that they are gradually phasing out SD DVD titles.(forced or planned attrition)
IMO, all the above conditions must be present to supplant DVD as the standard HT video format within a short time.
As far as i can recall, BD has always declared its avowed intentions of replacing the DVD as the next de facto video standard for HT since the start. 3 years might actually be possible if the ff conditions appear:
(1) Cheap HDTV from china at par with ordinary TVs.
(2) Cheap BD standalone players, (from china but BD has repeatedly refused to deal with them, unlike HDDVD).
(3) Cheap titles (already available)
(4) More titles (possible within 2 years to match DVD titles)
(4) Announcement from the studios that they are gradually phasing out SD DVD titles.(forced or planned attrition)
IMO, all the above conditions must be present to supplant DVD as the standard HT video format within a short time.
Blu-ray looks to replace DVDs within three years
Friday, March 16, 2007
By AppleInsider Staff
The Blu-ray disc association said Thursday that it's aiming to replace the traditional DVD storage format within the next three years.
"Within three years it will just be Blu-ray," said Frank Simonis, the Blu-ray Disc Association's European chairman, speaking at the CeBIT technology trade show.
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Hindi lang daw HD-DVD ang talo niya, pati daw Standard DVD, talo daw niya in 3 years... yabang talaga ng Blu ray, o. :o ;D :D
Same "baloney" as their announcement of the "mini-disc" and "sacd" replacing inferior audio storage formats.... ;D
IMHO the tech that will bring out the cheapest player wins, i dont remember dvds being that common before those china made players appeared. i dont know if the pq difference between the two formats are that great to be chosen over a format that is complimented by a cheaper player.
Same "baloney" as their announcement of the "mini-disc" and "sacd" replacing inferior audio storage formats.... ;D
Good! It's about time HD-DVD hits back at SONY's complete arrogance & foolish trash talk! >:(
1 point for HD-DVD. ;)
Why Sony? It was the BD Association and not Sony ONLY.
Nice try, but those 2 million PS3's are "true" players and it's no secret that it outperforms the "true" Blu-Ray players costing more. If you don't count the PS3 as a "true" player, then you shouldn't count all those XBOX360 HD DVD add-on drives as well.
Every BD adopter here in PinoyDVD uses the PS3 for BD. But what is Toshiba to do with a forecast like this at the end of the article. Even the writer couldn't give a concrete answer. Resistance is Futile :P :P
But you must admit even a small percentage of 2 million PS3 players would still outnumber 200,000 HD DVD players.
Paramount Annouces Four New Blu-ray And HD DVD Catalog Titlesgreat...the Untouchables is a must buy for me........will definitely buy it in HD DVD.... :)
Paramount Home Entertainment has announced four catalog titles that will be released simultaneously on Blu-ray and HD DVD this summer.
'Freedom Writers' starring Scott Glenn and Hilary Swank will be available May 22, 'Hustle & Flow' on June 26, and 'The Untouchables (Special Collector's Edition)' and 'The Warriors (Ultimate Director's Cut)' on July 3. Specifics for each release are not yet available though you can safely assume extras found on the standard DVDs will all be ported over.
And you have to admit that even a small percentage of 7 million xbox360 users who had bought the HD DVD add-on .......
... It is true that Blu-ray has indeed walloped HD DVD the past 3 months or so, but I believe mainly on lack of content for the HD DVD side. ...
But this coming weeks starting March 27, there would be at least a level playing field in terms of quantity of content....with HD DVD releasing 56 titles compared to 50 for Blu-ray.
No more game exclusivity for PS3, it seems they are losing 3rd party developers at a fast rate.
I could say Sony bungled big time.
So let's go back to the sales figures again...
DVDempire (3/21/2007)
Percentage of total
Hi-Def sales:
Format: Blu-Ray HDDVD
Week: 71.23% 28.77%
Month: 67.75% 32.25%
Year: 61.13% 38.87%
Wow...a small percentage of xbox360-Hd DVD must be really small :P :P And to think they lorded the sales figures last year...
And while the PS3 is in fact the best BD player out there todate, the important thing is the attach rate or the rate at which the acquisition of the player translates into HD title sales. There are just no stats on this for the PS3 or how many PS3 users are buying BD titles and what percentage is using it purely as a BD player. In contrast with the Xbox360 HD DVD add-on, anyone who buys one is sure to use it as an HD player. Else, why buy the add-on?
I read somewhere that SONY did not enter into any exclusivity contract with game developers with the PS3. Unlike with the PS2. I think this gives more economic advantage to game developers to have their content available to all game platforms.
So there is just no sure way to know the attach rate of PS3 for BD movies........unlike the x-box 360's add-on..... :)
Im not sure about this. Those games listed on the link were supposed to be PS3 exclusive. But after the bungled launch, those developers suddenly started to jump ship.
If there was some exclusivity contract, those developers jumping ship would be exposing themselves to ligitation by Sony. And Sony has been know to drive entrepreneurs out of business when they want to. (forgot the name of the hongkong distributor brought to court by Sony and is now out of business.) So i think there's none.
OFcourse, what can you expect? IF there are no good HD DVD titles around, what sales figures are their users going to generate?
The simple truth is that it's just too early to tell at this point. And you can bet that even if the BDA has already proclaimed victory, both Sony and the BDA are well aware that it's still too early to tell.
The only problem is that the BDA's proclamation of victory, although they know it to be untrue, might actually become a self-fulfilling prohecy if believed by the consumer. And that could be the BDA's objective all along.
The only problem is that the BDA's proclamation of victory, although they know it to be untrue, might actually become a self-fulfilling prohecy if believed by the consumer. And that could be the BDA's objective all along.
The latter isnt bad at all, even if downstreamed....maybe my thoughts would differ if I had a hdmi equipped AVR....
Audio quality is quite good either with Dolby Digital or PCM 5.1 passing thru optical. The latter isnt bad at all, even if downstreamed....maybe my thoughts would differ if I had a hdmi equipped AVR....
According to said blogger, on April 1 the HD-A2 will be repriced at $399 MSRP (down from $499)[/i]
PCM 5.1 can't pass thru optical or toslink. Has to be HDMI 1.3 at least. The downstream part is correct. The player downsamples the audio track to DD or DTS to pass thru toslink.....its downstreaming to my AVR as Dolby Pro-Logic IIx....not bad...not bad at all..... :) of course given my equipment limitations, if I have a choice in a title with a BD or HD DVD version, I would choose the latter, especially if it has Dolby TrueHD.......the PS3 doesnt have analog 5.1.....
In reality, it could be even cheaper than $399. I bought my unit in 30 Dec 2006. At that time the HD-A2 was already selling at $380 without shipping. And recently prior to the price-cut announcement, some shops already selling at $380 with FREE shipping (in US only). :)selling yata in amazon now in the $350 range.....
In reality, it could be even cheaper than $399. I bought my unit in 30 Dec 2006. At that time the HD-A2 was already selling at $380 without shipping. And recently prior to the price-cut announcement, some shops already selling at $380 with FREE shipping (in US only). :)
....its downstreaming to my AVR as Dolby Pro-Logic IIx....not bad...not bad at all..... :) of course given my equipment limitations, if I have a choice in a title with a BD or HD DVD version, I would choose the latter, especially if it has Dolby TrueHD.......the PS3 doesnt have analog 5.1.....
That's the feeling of most early adopters with players for both formats. HD DVD already has iHD (or HDi) for cool interactive features whereas BD-J isn't yet available in BD titles.tumpak sir AV!! in BD, when I go to the menu, its still DVD style wherein the movie stops (though it resumes when you go back) and goes to the menu....not in HD DVD, the movie never stops when you access the menu, the settings etc....you never have to leave the movie. One point for HD DVD here........
Toshiba chops $100 off HD DVD playerAnybody can be entitled to their opinion. Whats a shame is some of these press, editorials, BD promotional group put out garbage that the war is over, war will be over by next year, etc. etc. If they are saying toshiba is desperate bec of the free movies, etc. etc., then I can also say Sony is desperate by saying they will be having a BD player (bd-300 I think) in the 300 dollar range by the end of the year, or something. To each his own marketing, strategy or whatever. As of now nobody knows what will happen. For all these people predicting or forecasting that hddvd will die by this year or next year, Please, please give me a forecast or prediction of what stocks will make money by next year or what are the lotto numbers for August. If I win the lotto I will give them a fair share of my winnings.
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Today, AOL's Engadget reported that according to some alleged retail insiders who frequent the AVS Forum message boards, the much-rumored price drop on HD DVD players is about to become a reality. According to said blogger, on April 1 the HD-A2 will be repriced at $399 MSRP (down from $499) and the $799 HD-XA2 will also shed $100. That all may be true, but the fact is a quick check over at Amazon would reveal that the price cuts are already in effect. The HD-A2 is $356.99 and the HD-XA2 is sitting at a cool $599.99.
Lazy reporting aside (we are all guilty of it at one time or another), the big question is whether the price cuts will actually make a serious difference. At this point, the majority of sales of next-gen DVD players appear tied to the game consoles (the PS3 has a built-in Blu-ray, and the XBox 360 has an add-on HD DVD player for $200), and neither format stands to make big gains in the standalone market until the players get down below $250--and maybe even less.
I don't want to call Toshiba desperate, but when it's offering five free HD DVD movies with the purchase of a player, that sounds like the company is having trouble enticing folks to buy in. (If my memory serves, in the early days of DVD, some companies were offering three free DVDs, but not as many as five.) It also doesn't help when the New York Post is writing articles that quote analysts saying retailers will be pulling the plug on HD DVD in 2008. True, it's the Post. But people make a bad habit of believing what they read.
DolbyTrueHD is mandatory in HD DVD but optional in BD which has PCM 5.1 instead (eats up more storage space for the same quality).
Wow Happy Feet a must have in HD.....both format a perfect 5 stars in PQ rating...Warner is really doing good in its HD releases....
Warner though sells Blu-ray short for this release as it has no uncompressed PCM 5.1 on this release (only DD-EX) compared to HD DVD's Dolby TrueHD soundtrack.
Good to hear that! I'm ordering mine soon. For those of you who are NEUTRAL, I guess the choice is obvious of which format to buy. Dolby TrueHD rocks! ;)yuppers...thanks to analog 5.1 ;D ;D
...The moneyed HT afficionadoes who have them won't determine the winning format. The two formats will just end up like DVD-A/SACD if it was limited to the moneyed videophiles. Selling the players cheap won't because the masses won't see any dramatic advantage on their regular 21" TVs the way DVD had over VHS. HD won't mean a thing to them as its advantage is evident only at 42" HDTV screens and above. The two must go together in becoming affordable for HD to penetrate mass HT the way DVD has.
Hmmm... Reminds of the Marcoses. Remain steadfast to your lies up to the end. And the public will believe they're true. ;D
Agree with most of your opinion except as regards the minimum size of HDTV. At least for my eyes, a very good 26V HDTV (I am not referring to PC monitor class LCD which are mostly made of inferior panel (TN) technology) is more than capable of displaying the full advantages of hi-def. You just have to watch close enough. Even some of those surplus 32 inch HD CRTs in Pier should be more than sufficient for hi-def viewing, if you get the right model and you're lucky enough to find one in proper working condition. I've also tested the HD DVD on a locally purchased Sony 29DBM60 and the PQ was quite fine, albeit again, since a 29 inch CRT would be reduced to something like 22 or 24 incher in widescreen, you should watch closer to appreciate the improvements.
Yes, forgot to mention about viewing distance. On a 42" HDTV, the advantage of HD is obvious at a distance below 1.5 meters, 2 m max maybe. At 4 m you can't distinguish between 720p and 1080p. And at 6m, you hardly can distinguish between properly upscaled 480i and true 1080p. So I would think using 32" TVs, provided they have a native resolution of at least 720p, the advantage of HD becomes obvious when you're 2-3ft away max. And if you are using HTPC with a 20" LCD HDTV widescreen, you get the HD advantage at the usual distance of 1-2ft away from the screen when working on a PC.
But again the problem is, the masses are so used to having viewing distance from their 21" or 29" TVs of at least 3-4 meters either in the sala or bedroom. They defintely won't see the advantage of HD when whey change their generic DVD players to an HD player. At those viewing distance, at least a 60" 1080p HDTV will make the HD advantage quite obvious to be worth the expense. ;D
Since we're on the topic of viewing distance vs screen size vs resolution, here's a nice handy table on the subject:
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A larger size here:
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It should be plain from that chart that the advantage of HD gets more evident the closer you are to the screen. The higher the resolution, the closer you have to be to the screen to see the advantage. And that is why large flat panel HDTVs are so popular in Japan where typical city rooms are small, usually just around 9 sqm with a viewing distance of roughly just around 2 meters from where you are seated.
Munskiejust quite busy kong alvin......ill make a sched next week......the sad part for me though is....baka masanay ako sa 1080p PJ mo at hdmi connected audio.......
When are going to my place? Watch Casino Royale last night with uncompressed 5.1 pcm and the sound is teriffic to say the least. ;D
I am sitting at 12.5 ft from a 106 inch screen with a 1080p PJ. The chart explains why 1080p is much better than 720p provided you have 1080i/p as your source. On second though, even Standard definition DVD's look great :D
HOLD YOUR BREATH HD FANS!!!!!
MAY 22 IS THE DAY!!
MATRIX TRILOGY IS COMING TO HD DVD!!!
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Then why didn't Warner wait for BD's Java and then release the title simultaneously in both formats?thats my guess too......
Warner probably got sick and tired of waiting for Blu ray.
Then why didn't Warner wait for BD's Java and then release the title simultaneously in both formats?
Warner probably got sick and tired of waiting for Blu ray.
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"This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blu pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. "
Can somebody enlighten us all with regard to the actual process of manufacturing a hi-def movie on disk, BD or HD whatever. I understand that there are certain minimum periods after theater release before new movies are allowed to be sold in discs, but what about catalogue titles? Is it just a matter of pressing a blu or violet ray disc or the transfer itself is a long and tedious process? Or is it all bureaucracy or some kind of wait and see marketing game at the moment?
at laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssstttttttttt, matrix trilogy in hd ;DTrinity in those hot tight black leather suits........HOT!!! Morpheus and his moon cratered face.......NOT!! ;D ;D ;D
cant wait to see the interactive features, hopefully a revamp :) hope its in truehd 8)I think it would be.....maganda naman track record ng Warner in releasing movies with Dolby TrueHD.......it would be grave insult kung wala...... :)
Trinity in those hot tight black leather suits........HOT!!! Morpheus and his moon cratered face.......NOT!! ;D ;D ;D
ah yes, monica belucci in HD 8)
ah yes, monica belucci in HD 8)a winner...sana Malena in HD!!! hehehe
DolbyTrueHD is mandatory in HD DVD but optional in BD which has PCM 5.1 instead (eats up more storage space for the same quality).
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Sir av_phile1 conlusion na ba to? Have you experienced both? ::)
Wow Happy Feet a must have in HD.....both format a perfect 5 stars in PQ rating...Warner is really doing good in its HD releases....
Warner though sells Blu-ray short for this release as it has no uncompressed PCM 5.1 on this release (only DD-EX) compared to HD DVD's Dolby TrueHD soundtrack.
WOW!!! IS that an act of marketing genius?
For those NEUTRALs, looks like the audio advantage in HD-DVD will be the deciding factor in Happy Feet. :)
Excerpts:
"It's been a sorry trend, with the studio failing to offer Dolby TrueHD tracks and/or comparable DTS-HD or uncompressed PCM mixes on their A-list Blu-ray titles, while their HD DVD counterparts boast high-resolution audio."
"...the Blu-ray of 'Happy Feet' gets is a Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX track in English, French and Spanish. Unfortunately for audiophiles, this just can't compare to the full-blown Dolby TrueHD mix on the HD DVD."
I say it truly is a stroke of genius!
It might sound like it's too much to give away, but if you think about how much publicity this stunt can generate, Sony's freebee expense might be even cheaper than traditional advertising expenses. Spending a couple of hundred thousand worth of freebees in Oxford street could be worth millions in worldwide Bravia and PS3 publicity.
So when is the official launch of the PS3 in the Philippines? Any news so I can start gueuing? ;D
Baka Bravia X series 46" ang free sa atin :D
http://blogs.smh.com.au/mashup/archives/troubleshooter/010196.html (http://blogs.smh.com.au/mashup/archives/troubleshooter/010196.html)
(Link originally privided by sir Mouldingo)
I know but I wont tell, to make sure there is less competition.
;D
For those NEUTRALs, looks like the audio advantage in HD-DVD will be the deciding factor in Happy Feet. :)
Excerpts:
"It's been a sorry trend, with the studio failing to offer Dolby TrueHD tracks and/or comparable DTS-HD or uncompressed PCM mixes on their A-list Blu-ray titles, while their HD DVD counterparts boast high-resolution audio."
"...the Blu-ray of 'Happy Feet' gets is a Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround EX track in English, French and Spanish. Unfortunately for audiophiles, this just can't compare to the full-blown Dolby TrueHD mix on the HD DVD."
True, I just cancelled my bluray happy feet title from amazon and replaced it with the hd dvd format even if it is 4 dollars more expensive.
Only because Warner isn't quite format-neutral and is obviously biased towards HD DVD :P
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy coming soon to HD-DVD! :Dpaul......link? or are these just p'shopped? :)
(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/81/0c/11bc228348a04bf9b46fe010._AA240_.L.jpg)
PS3's French Debut- A Total Disaster: 95% of Consoles Left Unsold
Australia's PS3 launch also got a very poor response ::)
Edit: even with software emulation on the Euro PS3, it's still much better than the XBOX360 situation where a lot of original XBOX games still can't be played on the 360 :P
The future batches of the Japan and US PS3 will not have the EE+GS chip as well and will go the emulation route to lower costs.
Hey...let's just stick & focus on the PS3 Euro launch & its console issues without comparing to Xbox 360 noh ;D
Hmm...it doesn't seem like a good strategy. It can back fire and create more protest. :-\ But in return of such cost cutting measure, consumers will get the BD-J implemented? Any other improvements?
By the time the revised PS3 (without EE+GS) rolls out in the US and Japan, the emulation software would have probably already advanced enough that most people won't notice the difference.
The PS3 is already technically capable of the BD-J features like PiP, IME and BD-Live as it already has the memory requirement (256MB), the powerful Cell processor, and a spacious hard disk to store downloaded content, all it would take is a firmware update which I'm guessing would be in time for the October 2007 deadline of the BDA to make all new (after that date) players BD-J capable
Edit: DVD upscaling on the PS3 is also said to be in the works as well ;)
From a member named SoulOnice from another forum wrote:yup gonna order a lot on this day hehe..Go hddvd :P
April 15th - Buy HD DVDs from Amazon Day!
Over 200 people have confirmed participating in this event!
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"The idea is to show support for HD DVD by buying movies on a specific day. There is no better way to show support for HD DVD than by backing it financially. That is the language the movie studios understand best. If there is a strong demand for HD DVD software, then hopefully Blu-ray only studios will at least go neutral.
I would also add that the point is to also have a little fun and to try to see how high we can spike sales for one day.
I have e-mailed Universal and Amazon to see what, if anything, they can do to promote April 15th. I will be e-mailing others as well.
The date has been confirmed as the one year anniversary of the launch of HD DVD in the U.S."
**Hopefully Amazon will give a 50% pric ecut similar to the recent BD sales :P
And hopefully Warner finally gives us BD supporters the Matrix Trilogy :D
So even if they already have the DTH files for their HD DVD, why spend more on using DTH on BD with a higher license? Even if they did, until BD-J is implemented under version BD 1.1, Warner would not be able to release both formats on even keel.
But then again, not everyone concerns with the audio quality. It's just a matter of preference ;D
anyone preordered at amazon for the matrix?not yet...the discount cant be applied pa.... ;)
Munskie, the discount isn't applicable at pre-order stage or totally not valid for this tittle?
Yes that's very true Clondalkin. The regular DD or the higher bitrate of DTS would satisfy most folks at home. However, for some HT enthusiasts (minority anyway ;D) both PQ & SQ are taken into consideration for an overall HT experience & enjoyment. Imagine this, not only we are seeing high resolution movies but also we can feel as if we are inside or part of the action. ;)
Boosting the volume on lossy tracks isn't the same. The HD audio is dynamic, crispier, clearer, etc. even at a lower volume and then again you're right: we will need a significant investment in HT equipment :-[ (no wonder our moms always warn us to stay away from the TV!). By getting into HD bandwagon is already expensive: we need HD player + HD movies + HDTV plasma or LCD... :'(
Yes that's very true Clondalkin. The regular DD or the higher bitrate of DTS would satisfy most folks at home. However, for some HT enthusiasts (minority anyway ;D) both PQ & SQ are taken into consideration for an overall HT experience & enjoyment. Imagine this, not only we are seeing high resolution movies but also we can feel as if we are inside or part of the action. ;)
Boosting the volume on lossy tracks isn't the same. The HD audio is dynamic, crispier, clearer, etc. even at a lower volume and then again you're right: we will need a significant investment in HT equipment :-[ (no wonder our moms always warn us to stay away from the TV!). By getting into HD bandwagon is already expensive: we need HD player + HD movies + HDTV plasma or LCD... :'(
Nevertheless, it's nothing wrong to get our HD movies in TrueHD or uncompressed 5.1 today as to future proof our HD collections as 10 years from now, in case we do upgrade our HT equip (hopefully I'll win the jackpot lotto ;D) when the HD tech matures & HT equip prices become affordable...we can look back & enjoy out our favourite movies once again in HD audio! :D
I think nobody would argue that when switching to hi-def, the video should come first before the audio.
I'd dare say that 99% of HT folks would be satisfied with DD or DTS provided they have a decent set of speakers, a mid-range class AV amp and good acoustics in their HT room. During all those years of watching DVD in DTS, did you not feel the immersion when surrounds and subwoofer rumble?
Yes. Amplifying a lossy signal would not only amplify the signal but also the noise, that is according to our engineering books. But even though I knew that DD and DTS are lossy compressions on paper, that thought never actually crosses my mind whenever I use my HT. I like the sound quality of my system as it is, regardless of knowing that it is not at all pure hi-fi sound. I guess I'm not a real “audiophile” to be able to detect anomalies in sound reproduction, especially when there is no reference perfect sound, but then again perhaps most of the Jose-isang-tagay are in the same boat. The only time I ponder about how "lossy" my current sound system is, is when I READ about the lossless technologies.
But I do appreciate advancements in digital sound technology. Actually, I "expect" Dolby True HD or DTS HD to be another level of audio experience and I think it's going to be beyond words once I actually get the chance to hear a sample. However at the moment, if I have the extra dough, I would rather invest on better video equipment, as in the biggest and the meanest full HD panel that I can afford and that would fit in my HT room rather than upgrade my sound system. I think nobody would argue that when switching to hi-def, the video should come first before the audio.
I think the word "future-proof" as applied to consumer electronics is, for the most part, like a 3-5 year cycle. Of course, current hi-def discs should be OK even after 10 years as long as the world does not end or the hardware remains available in the planet earth. On the other hand, 10-years is far too far to look ahead with regard to evolutions in consumer electronics, except perhaps for one feature that my horny Malaysian friend wants. He hopes that one day, the TVs would be able to simulate the scent/smell and feel of the scene...He was eating durian when he told me that...ha ha ha.
BTW, perhaps somebody who's actually enjoying HD sound can describe the experience? Thanks
BTW, perhaps somebody who's actually enjoying HD sound can describe the experience? Thanks
Yes. Amplifying a lossy signal would not only amplify the signal but also the noise, that is according to our engineering books. But even though I knew that DD and DTS are lossy compressions on paper, that thought never actually crosses my mind whenever I use my HT. I like the sound quality of my system as it is, regardless of knowing that it is not at all pure hi-fi sound. I guess I'm not a real “audiophile” to be able to detect anomalies in sound reproduction, especially when there is no reference perfect sound, but then again perhaps most of the Jose-isang-tagay are in the same boat. The only time I ponder about how "lossy" my current sound system is, is when I READ about the lossless technologies.So true sir, that in jumping to HD, for instant appreciation, video must always come first. In my end, the transition to HD have not yet maxed out: on the video side, I still dont have a 1080p PJ, but wise enough to purchase a 720p one, when even then (dec 05) I have the option of getting a cheaper 480p PJ (buti na lang, e di laking sisi ko ngayon....) As for the audio side, since I still dont have a hdmi receiver, compromise ako. I can enjoy lossless sound (Dolby TrueHD) for HD DVD coz the Tosh have analog outs.....but cant on the Blu-ray side...coz the PS3 doesnt have analogs. But still, the maxed out bitrates i get thru dolby digital or dts arent bad at all. Thats why till now, I havent taken alvinthx2's invitation to see and hear his maxed out HD system: 1080P video and lossless sound thru hdmi. If I did...wouldnt it be a pain to know how lossy my system would be? Thats why the next logical step for me is a hdmi receiver.....even a entry level would do, as long as it has analog outs. So the transition goes on....
But I do appreciate advancements in digital sound technology. Actually, I "expect" Dolby True HD or DTS HD to be another level of audio experience and I think it's going to be beyond words once I actually get the chance to hear a sample. However at the moment, if I have the extra dough, I would rather invest on better video equipment, as in the biggest and the meanest full HD panel that I can afford and that would fit in my HT room rather than upgrade my sound system. I think nobody would argue that when switching to hi-def, the video should come first before the audio.
I can enjoy lossless sound (Dolby TrueHD) for HD DVD coz the Tosh have analog outs.....but cant on the Blu-ray side...coz the PS3 doesnt have analogs. But still, the maxed out bitrates i get thru dolby digital or dts arent bad at all. Thats why till now, I havent taken alvinthx2's invitation to see and hear his maxed out HD system: 1080P video and lossless sound thru hdmi. If I did...wouldnt it be a pain to know how lossy my system would be? Thats why the next logical step for me is a hdmi receiver.....even a entry level would do, as long as it has analog outs. So the transition goes on....
That's why i always ask why some people tend to say they have great HD gears when they are only pointing out to the sound system and leaving out the most important part of the HD experience which is the video. For me, its better to have a 1080P display and HT in a box than a midrange 7.1 channel sound system and a CRT TV.
hehehehe......you were taken out of context.....and ur right with these....considering all have HDTVs, and considering NEUTRALS......it is plain logical to choose the format with the best available soundtrack.... :)
By using the Happy Feet or Matrix examples, if most things being equal in both formats: PQ, extra, etc.. I suggested perhaps the deciding factor for the NEUTRAL could be the audio track (in this case HD-DVD offers THD over DD+ in BD. In fact, it has been pointed out in the BD review). The other reason is that in case they do upgrade their audio equipment in future then they can still enjoy the same movie in the HD audio & not regretting it.
I am actually speaking from experience & currently enjoying Dolby TrueHD. My room is just a simple one. ::)
If you do appreciate advancements in digital sound technology then why is that it sounds as if you are discouraging it?
I think we are getting out of context here as my response is based on the reviews given to Happy Feet on both HD formats where NEUTRALS have the option to choose either one. Since it's only $4 difference, one may select the one that offer a better audio track. Or as in Matrix case if we can't wait for the BD to be released. At the end, it's still your money, your decision & your preference :)
For those who are neutral and have the right equipment, the choice is clear.
Of course I got the HD DVD version of Happy Feet and definitely going to purchase The Matrix.
Funny talaga, both of us are HD-DVD supporters but when I tried to compare Happy Feet BD vs HD-DVD & hi-light the advantage of the HD audio found in HD-DVD, it created a different reaction that jumped into HDTV must come first, regular DTS is good enough, etc ets which of course again I agree as most folks are more than happy with the current SD audio hehe ;D
Ay nako…I think you guys totally misunderstood the intention of my post.
I never disagree HDTV is more important than audio equipment. I never disagree HD video or PQ should come first.
I just merely stated the advantage of the new HD audio.
to those who have an hd-dvd add on drive for the xbox360 its confirmed that microsoft will come up with an elite version that comes with an hdmi port and 120 gb hard drive. 8)
but the beef is its not in hd, hope im wrong thoughyup....heard its just standard resolution.... :)
The next step: Instant HD movie downloads at 160 Gig per second.
It looks like this capability is now much closer to reality.
From http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=61305 (http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=61305):
03/26/2007 09:49 PM
IBM Optical Chipset Allows Download of HD Movie in a Second
IBM researchers have announced today they have developed a new optical chipset that allows you to download an entire high-definition movie in just one second, making it the world's fastest chipset to date.
IBM called the new development "groundbreaking" and said the transceiver could shift data at a whopping 160 Gbps. The chipset could become available on the market as early as 2010.
One analyst said the chip won't work unless the user upgrades their whole system. "Any technology that uses this chipset need to upgrade the other components to take advantage of the high levels of speed."
IBM Optical Chipset Allows Instant Downloads
Prototype optical transceiver speeds transmission by using light pulses.
Ben Ames, IDG News Service
Monday, March 26, 2007 07:00 AM GMT-08:00
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130120/article.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130120/article.html)
Downloads of 20GB 720p files from torrent sites are said to take 3-4 hours in the UK with DSL throughputs averaging 1.5mbps. 50GB 1080p files would last longer and will require overnight downloads so you can sleep through them. Definitely 160gbps speeds are a welcome development. But I think the article talks about optical networks to allow this and you have to uprade some devices, I wonder what these devices are. I don't know how ISPs like PLDT DSL and SMART Bro still struggling to get 300kbps thrroughputs will benefit from this.
I was hoping Final Flight of the Osiris would be in HD but from what I heard the Animatrix is in SD lang ... :'(
Crap, I already have 2 versions of that. Don't want third >:( >:( >:(
For the home video enthusiast community, this kind of potential download speed serves as an indication that HD-DVD and Blu ray might well be the last disc-based video formats. The next generation of higher-than-1080p resolution HD home videos will probably go the way of video-on-demand via lightning-fast downloads on fiber optics.
Oh BTW, 160gbps will actually download about 4 HD movies in 1080p. ;D The now infamous ripped Serendipity HD DVD movie is just around 40Gb total.
Kagaya ng flat panel screens, I thought that 1080 resolutions would be the highest home video res for a very long time, but after reading this article on Sharp's super high res LCD, I'm not so sure anymore: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49288581,00.htm (http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49288581,00.htm)
(http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/televisions/sharp_ultra_high_definition_tv.jpg)
Kagaya ng flat panel screens, I thought that 1080 resolutions would be the highest home video res for a very long time, but after reading this article on Sharp's super high res LCD, I'm not so sure anymore: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49288581,00.htm (http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49288581,00.htm)
Yup, only to corporations that have rich multimedia traffic. At home, I really will be quite happy if Smart Bro can just manage 500kbps consistently. 1mbps throughput seems a dream for home internet. I won't even dare imagine 1 gbps. Even that will be heaven already. As I can download a 40GB HD movie file in a blazing 40 secs. ;D
Wala pa nga ako sa 1080p.....nasa 720p pa lang......enjoy na muna natin current HD format.... ;D ;D
My solution so far is to watch real close on a 37V LCD or 32 inch CRT HDTV, so kahit 720p or 1080i yung content grabe ang visual immersion, but that is not advisable if you have projection screen.
'Children of Men' HD DVD Hits Xbox 360 Playback Snag?
"We've received numerous reader reports that Universal's new 'Children of Men' HD DVD is a bit of lemon for some Xbox 360 owners, due to incompatibility problems with the console's HD DVD add-on drive.
'Children of Men' hit stores earlier this week on March 27, as one of the most highly-anticipated HD DVD releases on the format thus far, and as our Kenneth Brown wrote in his recent review of the disc, it apparently boasts stellar video and audio. Unfortunately, more than a few Xbox 360 owners have had issues playing it on the device's popular HD DVD add-on drive, with many of our readers writing in to say that the disc simply won't play, and that even multiple returns of the disc have produced the same issue.
When testing the disc out on our own Xbox 360 add-on HD DVD drive, we had the same results -- the disc spins in the tray, but is seemingly unrecognized by the system. A black screen and a reboot threw us back to the Microsoft Dashboard menu regardless of how many times we continued to try and load the film. We tried this dic on another Xbox 360 and found the same problem. Strangely, that tryout was even more unsuccessful -- we didn't even make it to a black screen, it simply spun the disc longer than usual and remained at the Dashboard menu.
We should note that since word of these issues first emerged, readers have also written in to say that the disc plays back fine on their Xbox 360 devices, while others have reported playback problems with the disc on Toshiba's XA2 player (we had no such issues on our XA2).
We've contacted both Microsoft and Universal, but have not yet received any official word on whether it is a hardware problem, a software problem, or both."
Yes, waiting is the best solution for the time being. Too bad I lack the patient.... ;D
It's a gamble at this point of time to say which format will win. Getting involved now is a risk. ::)
Yes, waiting is the best solution for the time being. Too bad I lack the patient.... ;D
wala rin akong patience!! kabibili ko lang ng Pioneer 696 but I am left wanting more... ::)
Wait muna...... ;D...be patient....although if you can afford it...it is quite cool to be an early adopter! ;D......no regrets here...........definitely worth it... ;D ;D
Xbox 360 Elite HDMI Output Details Revealed :-[
Anh Huynh (Blog) - April 1, 2007 9:10 PM
The Xbox 360 Elite will not output multi-channel PCM audio over HDMI, as with Core and Premium systems
(http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/4322_4279_large_xbox-360-elite-final-08.jpg)
No built-in hi-def player and crippled audio output at a similar price as a 20GB PS3. I hereby rename this machine as Xbox360 Delete.
Xbox 360 Elite HDMI Output Details Revealed :-[
Anh Huynh (Blog) - April 1, 2007 9:10 PM
The Xbox 360 Elite will not output multi-channel PCM audio over HDMI, as with Core and Premium systems
Microsoft’s upcoming Xbox 360 Elite supports the HDMI 1.2 specification, unlike Sony’s PS3, which is HDMI 1.3 compliant. When connected to an HDTV set with HDMI input, the Xbox 360 will automatically select the appropriate video output resolution up to 1080p. Users cannot manually force resolutions as the Xbox 360 relies on HDMI handshaking to select a suitable resolution.
HDMI audio output remains crippled with the Xbox 360 Elite. The Xbox 360 Elite, even when connected to HDMI will not output uncompressed multi-channel audio. Xbox 360 HD DVD users hoping to enjoy the full glory of lossless HD DVD audio formats via HDMI should look elsewhere.
“If you are keen on having 5.1 PCM output, I recommend purchasing the Toshiba A2 player which after the price drop, will be much cheaper than Elite,” said Majidimehr. When connected to an HDMI home theater receiver capable of processing audio over HDMI, the Xbox 360 will continue to output Dolby Digital, DTS or WMA-Pro to compatible receivers. Dolby Digital Plus and TrueHD audio tracks will continue to be down mixed and output no different from the Xbox 360 Core or Premium systems.
Nevertheless, the Xbox 360 Elite can output 2-channel PCM audio over HDMI. “Our goal was to provide a digital connection for video which people wanted for some of their TVs. And of course, single cable A/V connection. So if having analog video bothered you before, you can now use digital. If you lacked component/VGA on your TV, you are in business with Xbox 360 Elite.”
(http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/4322_4279_large_xbox-360-elite-final-08.jpg)
There is a warner bros sale at warner site that you can get up to 30 percent off.
.. From what I've known, they sell the console at a loss and get it back from the games :-[
There is no reason for MS to undercut their profitability with the Elite
no reason? just plain GREEDY.. there you go! ;D ;D ;D
I'm not even sure what were those top brains in MS thinking... ???
They even recommend purchasing the Toshiba A2 player due to the price drop, will be much cheaper than Elite..geez... :-X
Since the Elite has already upgraded & is capable of output 2-channel PCM audio over HDMI, thus it will be nice to include the processing of uncompressed multi-channel audio feature. ;D
now if the ps3 would just have more games please........ ::) the price of the 120gb add on for the xbox is spendy, but shows that M$ would prefer that users download content
I already narrowed mine to Flags, Iwo, Apocalypto, Ultimate Matrix and Pirates 1&2. ;Dwill follow your steps sir Neil....minus Flags.....still mighty costly day... :)
Cheers everyone!!!
'Children of Men' HD DVD Hits Xbox 360 Playback Snag?
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8263/sm3cover2la9qc6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Yes yes all my 10 fingers & toes are all crossed na ;D
Pls pls...I will pray hard :P
(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8263/sm3cover2la9qc6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)bring on the trilogy!!!! ;D ;D ;D the DVD of Spidey 1 and 2 already looks great......
bring on the trilogy!!!! ;D ;D ;D the DVD of Spidey 1 and 2 already looks great......
Posted from member bbc20000:
European releases
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9610/underworldevolutionhd60yt7.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7281/untitledft8.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3493/elprestigiohd600aow7.jpg
UK releases
The Island 7th May 07
The Prestige 14th May 07
Underworld: Evolution will be released in Spain, but not in the UK. Underworld is a Sony movie but glad it has a European realease on HD-DVD! Let's hope Spiderman will get such treatment! :D
im getting a dual format player like LG, to njoy both formats.. hehehe
Ah this krazy guy...kill joy talaga noh :'(
You should give me some benefit of doubt dba... :-\ ;D
im getting a dual format player like LG, to njoy both formats.. hehehe
if the production of a movie is wholly done by a format exclusive studio, it will very well be exclusive on that respective format (like Spider Man on BD or King Kong on HD DVD).....
im getting a dual format player like LG, to njoy both formats.. heheheif i were you, ill avoid this one.....with its SRP of $1200, you can get a stand alone HD DVD player (around $350) and a PS3 ($600) and still have change...........and LG isnt even supporting HD DVD's iHD heatures....
With my new HDTV, I'm just itching to get myself an HD Player. Any recommendations? Any sites that sell these players that ship internationally? Tried amazon but they only ship in America. I'm thinking of going straight to HD DVD. :D
Hi guys,yup sir, medyo disappointing nga yung Miami Vice PQ-wise.....and to think it was shot in HD cameras. Lots of video noise.....you can compare it to Superman Returns too.....shot din yun sa HD cameras, parang me artificial grain...which I think is intentional......Batman Begins though isnt that bad in PQ but is top tier in audio quality...
I just bought 2 hd dvds Batman Begins and Miami Vice. The King Kong disc that came with the xbox is very clear compared to the two dvds I bought. Siguro hindi maganda iyung pagka transfer. Batman Begins is a little bit better than the standard dvd I have but miami vice is not up to par with the king kong hd disc, ang layo.
Any thoughts on these guys ???
Bonjit
Also Happy Feet. I wonder what the sales ranks are between titles released in both formats.
Blu-Ray camp organizes HD-DVD retaliation
Blu-Ray camp organizes HD-DVD retaliation
17/04/2007
http://www.psu.com/node/9816 (http://www.psu.com/node/9816)
sometimes it's the way movies are supposed to look. what some people call "director's intent". movies like these are intended to look soft(batman) or grainy(miami vice) and doesn't make very good eye candy for your hdtv. stay away from superman returns and sky captain and the world of tomorrow if you don't like this look.
for a comprehensive list of highdef movie rankings based on PQ check out the Tier System at avsforum. they have one for bluray and hddvd
Blu-Ray camp organizes HD-DVD retaliationTsk tsk tsk, No originality..Why follow a losing or dead format right? Hddvd is always first at everything im sorry to say
17/04/2007
http://www.psu.com/node/9816 (http://www.psu.com/node/9816)
Just signed up for that Blu-Ray-athon. Ha! Should be fun.
With all these Web extras for HD-DVD, I wonder how many actually have their machines connected to a broadband connection. However, Blu-ray will eventually match those features. Its just a matter of time and if anyone would even take notice. So no big deal there... :-\ :-\yup...even mine isnt connected......and I dont care much about polls. But it has IME and that new Focus Points feature........so based on that, HD DVD is the better version for me. But theres a wildcard.....the HD DVD version should have Dolby TrueHD......if it doesnt, and Blu-ray has uncompresssed PCM 5.1...ill get the BD version in a heartbeat. But if Warner goes DD 5.1 only with Blu-ray ala Happy Feet (and Dolby TrueHD for HD DVD).....wouldnt Warner get the ire of many BD fans?
Blu-Ray camp organizes HD-DVD retaliation
17/04/2007
http://www.psu.com/node/9816 (http://www.psu.com/node/9816)
Wow Blood Diamond will offer new cool features. If WB is releasing the Blu-ray version a month earlier, not only is it going to lack the quality of the HD DVD version but also implies that the Blu-ray group may not see a re-release with enhanced features. Geez...the BD fan boys will surely jumping up & down with rage ;D
So for format Neutrals, HD-DVD is another winner here... :)
Wow Blood Diamond will offer new cool features. If WB is releasing the Blu-ray version a month earlier, not only is it going to lack the quality of the HD DVD version but also implies that the Blu-ray group may not see a re-release with enhanced features. Geez...the BD fan boys will surely jumping up & down with rage ;Dnot only for neutrals but for HD DVD supporters like you, paul. No matter how the "dark force" spins this one out, ......they are missing out on a great product simply because the BD camp couldnt keep a promise regarding the aspect of interactivity.
So for format Neutrals, HD-DVD is another winner here... :)
A comment in reference to the Blood Diamond HD release. Posted by BBHTGuy in another forum:
(i am not format bashing in this post. i hope this is not seen as that, i am just frustrated with the way my format of choice has been going of late...)
i feel that blood diamond is "policy making" for WB's HD disc plans in two ways.
one, "blood diamond" is huge concerning WB's extensive support of extras for high profile releases. we all know many A+ titles are not on BD (grr) because BD cannot support those features. nonetheless, WB appears to have moved on, and given up on BD-J. WB seems to be indicating that hi-def exclusives are important, and i hope we can finally count on them, and not be happy to have them.
i for one am glad WB is finally delievering on some of those promises we heard over a year ago, even if they are not being fulfilled on my format of choice (BD).
second, i feel WB is finally tired of waiting on BD's long-touted BD-J interactivity. what this means for BD on a whole, I do not know. it has been no secret who WB was really behind, and i wonder how long WB will release discs for an inferior hardware base? (as much as it pains me to say it, BD is really beginning to look bad for the consumer. BD supporters, like myself, have been forced to look elsewhere for full featured discs and players.)
i do not know what this means for the big picture, but i do know this:
BD fans do not benefit from getting skimpy discs.
(again, the consumer who only supports BD loses out.)
before you flame me, i do support both, but i am just tired of BD's promises that seem to mean nothing.
This is going to be bad news for the profit margins of the two formats.
By licensing HD-DVD to Chinese manufacturers, Toshiba expects its own format to win the war by flooding the market with cheap HD-DVD players. According to analysts, DVD became a mass market item in the U.S. when cheap China models were stocked in giant retailers like Wal-Mart.
However, Toshiba also knows that such a move will likely undercut its own HD-DVD players in favor of the much cheaper China models. If that happens, how will Toshiba recover the hundreds of millions already spent on HD-DVD development costs?
It is unlikely that Sony and the Blu-ray group will license their technology to China anytime soon. I'm sure that Blu-ray wouldn't want the low-cost manufacturers to quickly drive down the price of their players before initial investments are recovered and handsome profits are realized.
At any rate, U.S. and Japanese companies have traditionally been reluctant to license their technologies to China because of the latter's record of ignoring royalty obligations.
Toshiba probably knows what it's getting itself into. But it seems ready to sacrifice profits just to make sure that Blu ray will never win the war.
2 MILLION cheap HD DVD players to Walmart[/i]
Blu-ray leads HD DVD in high definition race
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-04/23/content_6016059.htm
Sales of Blu-ray HDTV DVDs again beat rival HD DVD in March giving the Sony-backed format a 69-31 percent sales lead in the first three months of 2007, says Nielsen Video Scan. Blu-ray backers say the widening lead is evidence of the format pulling away from its competition; HD DVD supporters say their format will rebound thanks to lower player prices and new title releases in time for the summer.
If you look at the figure 1.2 million for bluray and 937,500 for hddvd so far, To me its still too close to call considering what sony has been saying that there are about 2 to 3 million ( am I right? im not sure of the figure ) ps3 units out there, lets say plus standalones, the disc sales for bluray should be really blowing away hddvd maybe at rate of 5:1 or more. But we see the famous 2:1 ratio at the moment with not really much releases for hddvd in the first quarter. We also cant compare the title like The departed because hddvd is more expensive by 4 dollars, which I think makes a difference. I myself held back purchasing this title because to me its not worth 27.95. Also if you look at the march figure, if I remember this is when the bluray had their big sale in amazon. If I remember titles like black hawk down and xmen 3 is close to like 15 dollars . Assuming if china players come out and they have this sale for hddvd as well, I think sales will pick up as well. If the samsung dual player comes out, it doesnt really matter who will win. The hddvd or bluray disc that we possess will still play and still in our library unless this next generation high def thing will not take off like they expected..then to me we just replaced our standard dvds for the short term.
i would like to know as well 8)
Let me guess, assuming there are 3M PS3 owners, the total user base of BD is approximately 3,005,000 give or take some thousands. :) Still a whole lot more than the 100K standalone HD DVDs combined with perhaps some hundreds of thousands of HD DVD add-on drive owners.
So the difference in disk sales figures is only "1.2M less 0.937M"? Interesting.
I am so tempted to go to HD-DVDs because they have some titles that I WOULD LOVE TO OWN in HD
Let me guess, assuming there are 3M PS3 owners, the total user base of BD is approximately 3,005,000 give or take some thousands. :) Still a whole lot more than the 100K standalone HD DVDs combined with perhaps some hundreds of thousands of HD DVD add-on drive owners.
So the difference in disk sales figures is only "1.2M less 0.937M"? Interesting.
The biggest news to hit the format war in some time hit last week with word that Wal-Mart and China's Great Wall corporation struck a deal to bring inexpensive HD DVD players to market. While this is would be great news for all HD fans, we were left a bit worrisome by the translation dispute between the two camps. Just to make sure we had our facts straight, we updated the post and contacted HD DVD to get the full story. While the HD DVD camp reminded us that they have inexpensive players from China on the way, they weren't able to confirm any "specific reports relating to Wal-Mart". It seems to us that if this were indeed true, that the HD DVD camp would be the first to trumpet its significance to their success in the format war. As much as we all want inexpensive next generation HD disc players, we will just have to wait for something more official before we hold off on our purchases waiting for Wal-Mart.
the jump in picture quality from DVD to HD or Blu-ray isn't as huge
as compared to VHS to DVD where even on a small screen there was a huge difference.
If you look at the figure 1.2 million for bluray and 937,500 for hddvd so far, To me its still too close to call...
Take note, they even got the hyphen right. No hyphen for "HD DVD"; with hyphen for "Blu-ray". ;)
A What Now? What driver is it? I'm too excited to think! I'm going to be neurtral sooner than I thought if I can pull this off.
Oh How I wish stores here in Phils. will start lowering their price levels comparable to america....
'Planet' HDSorry but I dont agree with this. My views are
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Beautiful pictures of nature’s awesome beauty won the day amongst high-definition disc buyers for the week ended May 6.
BBC’s Planet Earth: The Complete Series caught the eye of both HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc shoppers, coming in at No. 1 and No. 2, respectively, on the combined HD disc top-sellers chart.
Though the Blu-ray format led overall in market share for the week (60% to HD DVD’s 40% of sales), the HD DVD version of Planet Earth took the top title spot, perhaps due to fewer title options for HD DVD buyers.
The Blu-ray version of Planet Earth wasn’t far behind, selling 95 copies to every 100 of the HD DVD version.
Meanwhile, Blu-ray titles Night of the Museum (Fox), Déjà Vu (BV/Touchstone) and Dreamgirls (Paramount/DreamWorks) took the third, fourth and fifth slots on the combined high-def disc sellers chart.
The HD DVD version of Dreamgirls came in at No. 6, the Blu-ray Casino Royale (Sony) at No. 7 and the HD DVD versions of Alpha Dog (Universal), Smokin’ Aces (Universal) and Digital Video Essentials (Ryko) at Nos. 8, 9 and 10, respectively
. . . I know we cant compare 3 titles to one set but at the moment I think both sides are desperate of ending this war. I think Sony is more desperate. (this is only my opinion) My basis is the article that just came out yesterday on both Philippine star and Inquirer that sony is on the negative side on the gaming sector. I think for each ps3 unit they are taking a loss of around 300 dollars, selling at 600 bucks. . .
That's true, until now PS3 cant keep up w/ X360's gaming power & ability. Taking multi-platform titles such as Splinter Cell, Def Jam Icon, Oblivion, Virtua Tennis 3, Fear, NHL 2K7, etc... all scored lower on the PS3 version reviews.
". . .Graphically, the game looks good, but falls short of the detailed display Sam saw on Xbox 360 last year. Players who ran through the paces in Microsoft-land will notice a slower framerate and the loss of a few small details (things like a smaller quantity of fights during the prison riot, different textures on character close-ups and no goggle-toggle when tossing on Sam's specs)." -IGN.com's Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent Review
". . .And therein lies the rub. As much fun as F.E.A.R. is, it's never going to live up to the expectation cross-platform users have in their heads. Simply put, the PS3 doesn't hold a candle to the visuals found in the Xbox 360 version -- especially considering the handful of bugs that have dead soldiers getting stuck in walls and twitching on the floor. The detailed environments and clear draw distances aren't found on PS3. If you had never seen the other versions of F.E.A.R., you still wouldn't be impressed with the PS3's graphics, but compared to the PC and 360, this version is graphically dead in the water." -IGN.com's F.E.A.R. Review
". . .The first major issue that the PlayStation 3 version has is that it doesn't include any online support. Considering that the Tony Hawk series was the first online game for the PlayStation 2, even before the Network Adapter was ever released, makes this seem curious. And the fact that this is the only major launch title that isn't online but should be is basically inexcusable. Tony Hawk's online play is good fun, and it's really disappointing that Neversoft included it with the Xbox 360 version but not this one. The second problem with the PS3 variant of Project 8 is that it simply doesn't run all that well. The game chops up left and right, sometimes to the point where the controls don't feel responsive. It's bad enough that the camera isn't always perfect, but when it's staring at the bottom of your board and the game is running at 15fps, well, there's a major problem. That's not to say that it always runs poorly, as it can be reasonably quick most of the time, but Project 8 chops up way more often than is normally forgivable." -IGN.com's Tony Hawk's Project 8 Review
But that's just for the gaming side, I believe movies don't require as much power to play seemlessly so Blu-ray vs. HD DVD is another story.
I'm no Xboy . . . just my observations lang po.
Nope. This is the issue with porting games.
If the base port is XBOX 360, PS3 version will always be lackluster.
This cannot be a basis that PS3 is inferior to 360 - exclusive games do, because they maxiimize the capability of the respective system.
For example, if GTA4 is not an exclusive game (to be released in XBOX 360 and PS3) developers will be limited by the 360's storage
and therefore maps on the game would have been bigger if the game would have been exclusive to PS3 because of larger disc space.
But since, it is to be released to both systems, they should fit all content to DVD 9 only.
It has been always the case that when a game is ported from the 360 to PS3, PS3 is always lackluster primarily because
of the devs comment that PS3 is hard to code for. But this isnt the case in Oblivion though - the PS3 version is much better than the 360's.
Oblivion may have been built from the gound up on the PS3 and not just a ported version from the XBOX 360.
Cheers.
PS2 was also hard to code for but it won the last generation of console battle by a wide margin. :)
I am also looking forward to owning the XBXO 360 but this 3RL keeps from getting one.
Ok lang sana kung nasa US ka when your 360 conks out because of hassle free customer service.
Pero since I am here in the philippines, pahirapan ang waranty claim when your unit got hit by the 3RL.
The Eliter version still doesn't addess the 3RL problem so wait and see mode muna ko. :)
Nope. This is the issue with porting games.
If the base port is XBOX 360, PS3 version will always be lackluster.
This cannot be a basis that PS3 is inferior to 360 - exclusive games do, because they maxiimize the capability of the respective system.
For example, if GTA4 is not an exclusive game (to be released in XBOX 360 and PS3) developers will be limited by the 360's storage
and therefore maps on the game would have been bigger if the game would have been exclusive to PS3 because of larger disc space.
But since, it is to be released to both systems, they should fit all content to DVD 9 only.
It has been always the case that when a game is ported from the 360 to PS3, PS3 is always lackluster primarily because
of the devs comment that PS3 is hard to code for. But this isnt the case in Oblivion though - the PS3 version is much better than the 360's.
Oblivion may have been built from the gound up on the PS3 and not just a ported version from the XBOX 360.
Cheers.
IMO, the olny game that will justify my purchase of PS3 in the near future is FFXIII, but im still thinking if its worth the dinero. ???
I'm truly amazed seeing chic Japanese ladies completely engrossed with their DS while in the train, although that still cannot beat my fascination of watching them do their make-up in mass public transport :)
Funai to produce inexpensive Blu-ray players.
http://www.w.engadgethd.com/2007/05/22/funai-to-produce-inexpensive-blu-ray-players/
IMO, the only compelling reason to buy a PS3 soon is to watch BD. In terms of games, PS3 will always play catch-up with 360 during its entire lifespan. But that's not so bad as long as a considerable user-base is eventually established. Utter domination similar to that achieved by PS2 cannot be expected this time around.
The 360 seized the "initial awe of next-gen HD gaming - the oomph factor" by releasing a full year in advance of PS3 and that I think is very significant, not to mention Xbox live which is generations ahead of any online gaming network. No matter what reviewers say, nothing that PS3 released thus far can amaze me more than any prime 360 game. There may be some differences in graphics quality of particular titles, or additional 10 hours in a 100-hour game, or some features missing, but you'd have to be real certified a*s to claim with conviction that such distinctions are meaningful at all.
enough about plans, just produce and sell one already hehe ;D
It has been years since I last saw a Funai brand electronic device that I thought the company folded already or has been taken over (just like Aiwa). It was a cheap VHS player I believe. Well if Funai can make bd players, then it's got to be cheap. :)
repost ko lang.
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) announced today availability of the latest version of the PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) firmware. Version 1.80 features upscaling of PlayStation® and PlayStation 2 games, and DVD movies up to full 1080p HD resolution when viewed on a compatible HD TV set.
Well, most of the movies I like under warner were just not upto par. Leaving me feeling a bit pissed off. >:(
Generally, the PQ, to be honest. Hopefully they won't stuff up on "300".
IMO warners have one of the better transfers, great PQ to meI agree. There's Batman Begins.....Corpse Bride......then theres the Matrix Trilogy..........
Toshiba Car HD DVD PlayerIn my end, I dont think I need it. I dont even have a monitor in my ride.
It is a natural development to bring HD into cars. Do we need it? ;D
http://www.i4u.com/article9168.html
I agree. There's Batman Begins.....Corpse Bride......then theres the Matrix Trilogy..........
If Sony or Microsoft can pull a Nintendo act, that is, develop a game or an add-on feature that is not only a chick magnet but also a tatay/nanay/lolo/lola lure, that would be more exciting. I'm truly amazed seeing chic Japanese ladies completely engrossed with their DS while in the train, although that still cannot beat my fascination of watching them do their make-up in mass public transport :)
Toshiba Car HD DVD Player
It is a natural development to bring HD into cars. Do we need it? ;D
http://www.i4u.com/article9168.html
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Disc_Announcements/MGM/Sergio_Leone_Anthology_Leads_Fourth_Quarter_MGM_Blu-ray_Revival/710Its denied by MGM
Sergio Leone Anthology' Leads Fourth Quarter MGM Blu-ray Revival
After an absence of several months from the next-gen scene, MGM Home Entertainment is renewing its Blu-ray commitment with a wave of nearly a dozen new titles set for release in the fourth quarter.
Though an early proponent of Blu-ray (along with parent distributor Fox Home Entertainment), MGM has not released a title on the format since 'Hoosiers' in early March. The studio has now finally broken their silence with a pledge of at least ten to twelve new Blu-ray releases by the end of 2007.
Only one specific title was revealed -- a 'Sergio Leone Anthology' box set, featuring four of the director's classic titles, including 'A Fistful of Dollars,' 'For a Few Dollars More,' 'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly' and 'Duck, You Sucker.'
http://gear.ign.com/articles/798/798463p1.html
Blu-ray Holds 5 to 1 Hardware Lead Over HD-DVD
PlayStation 3 comprises bulk of install base.
June 21, 2007 - As reported by Video Business, research firm Digital Entertainment Group has compiled what would appear to be a solid breakdown of the numbers of next-generation DVD players sold in the United States. The research firm concludes that Blu-ray presently holds a 5 to 1 advantage over HD-DVD in installed hardware, primarily on the strength of the PlayStation 3.
According to DEG, 1.5-million Blu-ray players reside in American homes, broken down between 100,000 dedicated players and 1.4-million PlayStation 3s. The HD-DVD install base stands at 300,000 units, apparently evenly split between dedicated players and the HD-DVD add-on drives for the Xbox 360. Such figures are roughly in line with the HD-DVD camp's now slightly dated claim of selling 60% of all dedicated next-gen players. DEG also reported that $55-million has been spent on high-definition movies to date, the majority ($35-million) devoted to Blu-ray.
The figures reveal a not unexpected yet telling picture of the next-gen DVD business. The fact that, roughly a year after each format's launch, neither has sold an impressive number of dedicated hardware units exposes the extremely significant role videogamers are playing in the development of the technologies. PlayStation 3 owners are undoubtedly driving Blu-ray movie sales, and by dint, the entire next-gen DVD industry. What impact this will have on the health of high-definition movies sales remains to be seen, but the situation is undoubtedly unique in that fans of one media (videogames) are defining the future of another (HD-movies).
http://gear.ign.com/articles/798/798463p1.htmlAh finally figures that just proves blu-ray or both formats are not selling well, especially blu-ray. If the blu-ray hardware lead is 5 to 1. It doesnt show in the disc sales. Blu-ray disc sales is not whipping hddvd by a 5 to 1 margin. I may be wrong but im quite sure its not 5 to 1. If its just 2 to 1, it sure is a pity for blu-ray. The problem is all ps3 is always counted as a blu-ray player. Just my observation..
Blu-ray Holds 5 to 1 Hardware Lead Over HD-DVD
PlayStation 3 comprises bulk of install base.
June 21, 2007 - As reported by Video Business, research firm Digital Entertainment Group has compiled what would appear to be a solid breakdown of the numbers of next-generation DVD players sold in the United States. The research firm concludes that Blu-ray presently holds a 5 to 1 advantage over HD-DVD in installed hardware, primarily on the strength of the PlayStation 3.
According to DEG, 1.5-million Blu-ray players reside in American homes, broken down between 100,000 dedicated players and 1.4-million PlayStation 3s. The HD-DVD install base stands at 300,000 units, apparently evenly split between dedicated players and the HD-DVD add-on drives for the Xbox 360. Such figures are roughly in line with the HD-DVD camp's now slightly dated claim of selling 60% of all dedicated next-gen players. DEG also reported that $55-million has been spent on high-definition movies to date, the majority ($35-million) devoted to Blu-ray.
The figures reveal a not unexpected yet telling picture of the next-gen DVD business. The fact that, roughly a year after each format's launch, neither has sold an impressive number of dedicated hardware units exposes the extremely significant role videogamers are playing in the development of the technologies. PlayStation 3 owners are undoubtedly driving Blu-ray movie sales, and by dint, the entire next-gen DVD industry. What impact this will have on the health of high-definition movies sales remains to be seen, but the situation is undoubtedly unique in that fans of one media (videogames) are defining the future of another (HD-movies).
war is over says spidey!
(http://www.alapage.com/resize.php?&ref=948378&type=41&r=0&s=0&m=r)
From ectronista.com:Yes cant wait for this..Player worth buying imo..When this comes out it doesnt matter now who wins. Even if the neutral studios end up choosing all blu-ray and Universal stick with hd dvd or every studio support blu ray, it will not matter anymore. The main question is will hidef take over the dvd market? With the guy from BDA stating (I think somewhere in Europe) that dvd will be gone in 3 years, I think we know what the studios that support BDA's intentions are, thats why they all support Blu-ray..I think they want to corner this market and if the studios decided to no longer produce dvds and all in hidef format, consumers will have no choice but to buy into this market. Imagine no 300 on dvd or no transformers on dvd (im just giving a sample). However nobody knows what they are up to and what is positive for us here, imagine we still have vcds so dvds might not die out in our asia region..
Samsung gives hybrid Blu-Ray/HD DVD launch details
July 4, 2007
Samsung today provided extra details about its upcoming Blu-Ray and HD DVD combo player at an event in advance of Berlin's IFA media expo. The BDP-UP5000 will support all the features of either movie format, including Internet extras through an Ethernet connection that both formats will recognize. It should also eliminate the stilted motion effects caused by pulldown conversion and can output movies at either a film-native 24 frames per second or as quickly as 60 frames per second for faster videos. No trouble is expected with playing movies at a full 1080p, Samsung says.
While the final cost of the player hasn't been finalized, the device should be ready by October or November and will sell at a roughly 400-Euro ($544) premium compared to a single-format Blu-Ray movie reader by the time it reaches stores. More details should be revealed when the IFA show begins on August 31st.
While the final cost of the player hasn't been finalized, the device should be ready by October or November and will sell at a roughly 400-Euro ($544) premium compared to a single-format Blu-Ray movie reader by the time it reaches stores.
Tol! you! are in the wrong! thread! You! don't have to tell us! that you're! new here! ? we can! figure that out! for ourselves! ?
theres a new technology brewing which is about 50x better than hdtv and the bluray/hdtv palyers might soon be obsolete.
i was reading news somewhere (i cant remember the site since i came across it at random) that theres a japanese researcher that made a technology for tv about 20x (ok ok so the 50x was grossly exaggerated) better than hdtv. Now IMO, with that kind of technology, the current br/hdtv players would be insuffiecient to store data for playing at that rate. Some company would start producing/marketing the new players that will tramp the current ones. But this is still far-off, somewhere around 4yrs from now. Id like to think of the bluray/hdtv format as similar to laserdisc. Hence im staying away except for the PS3. ;Deven if it is 20x better than Blu-ray or HD DVD.......Hollywood studios and big time electronics giants like Sony and Toshiba have already invested a lot into this two formats, and will unlikely withdraw support in favor of new technology. No support from Hollywood and CE companies, no go for that technology.
was in china last week and got a glimpse of how the chinese are making the hardware and software so cheap as to make the format war just about academic.
for example, i viewed an hd-dvd player that costs less than 10k pesos. it has a usb input and can control an external drive. add a few k for a 250gb drive. i will stop na.
quality? spectacular, through a mitsubishi hc5000 firing onto a stewart screen.
even if it is 20x better than Blu-ray or HD DVD.......Hollywood studios and big time electronics giants like Sony and Toshiba have already invested a lot into this two formats, and will unlikely withdraw support in favor of new technology. No support from Hollywood and CE companies, no go for that technology.
Format war fanboys shut down AVS Forum
Those kind of people definitely need to get some sunlight, the Metro Manila sun (heat) type para masakit sa balat.
there gonna be needing a whole lot of SUNSHINE!!!! hahahahahaha but for me..best option is to just go neutral, and get the best of both worlds..Here in PinoyDVD, fanboyism is nearly dead, almost all HD enthusiasts have gone neutral, and all seems to be happy with it. Notice how this thread slowed down.........Be Happy, Go Neutral!!! ;D ;D ;D
Hehe I agree. Since we all can live hapily together sharing our HD passion, there's no reason why the Blue & Red pills can co-exist together....the more the merrier noh! After all, lives are too short...ya I wana be happy. ;D
Saturday, Nov. 10, 2007
Hi-def format war a 'stalemate': Stringer
NEW YORK (AP) The head of Sony Corp., Howard Stringer, said the Blu-ray disc format the company has developed as the successor to the DVD is in a "stalemate" with the competing HD DVD format, chiefly backed by Toshiba Corp. and Microsoft Corp.
Nice to know that, the war will indeed rage on for a long time... :)
Analysis:
Did Sony's CEO Dig Blu-Ray's Grave, or Was This Just a Series of Idiotic Events?
Nov. 12, 2007 by Christopher Hogg
Sony let its guard down for a millisecond, and it's going to take a beating for it. The head of Sony told the media the high-def DVD battle was in a stalemate. He also said he wished he would have collaborated with Toshiba rather than competing. What?
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/246067/Did_Sony_s_CEO_Dig_Blu_Ray_s_Grave_or_Was_This_Just_a_Series_of_Idiotic_Events_
Probably it's the other way...when software prices drop....we might actually spend more... :P ;D
Yup, some fans constantly getting into debate over the silly war...."Guys, get a life" ;D
Nevertheless, it's interesting to see how the war goes on...now that the holiday/shopping season is here...phew it will get a lot worse... :-X
BTW bro, can you direct me to a link or thread in this forum which stacks up the HD disposition of our very own PDVD members? How many are on the Red/Blue/Neutral side? Would be interesting to know lang. Thanks :)
I'm not sure if there's a thread on this. But you may refer to the "Whats your latest HD DVD/BLU-RAY purchase?" or "Show em your HD DVD/Blu-ray Titles Here (collection)!!" threads to see what the members are buying or already owned. Most of us are Neutral/Purple na... ;D
Essentially all BD players that don't conform to the BD Profile 1.1 in order to offer fully-functioning BD-Java, bringing PIP interactivity for in-movie commentaries and special features are considered obsolete. ;D
But I guess not all fans are concerned with the special features/bonus so they should still able to playback the movies without any problem unless all the "new BD-J discs" will render playback malfunction?? :-[
Essentially all BD players that don't conform to the BD Profile 1.1 in order to offer fully-functioning BD-Java, bringing PIP interactivity for in-movie commentaries and special features are considered obsolete. ;D
But I guess not all fans are concerned with the special features/bonus so they should still able to playback the movies without any problem unless all the "new BD-J discs" will render playback malfunction?? :-[
SirLaw11, I'm not familiar with Integra. I can't find the DHS-8.8 model at Onkyo's website. It's it released na in the market? Based on the specs revealed in the press release (nothing is mentioned on Onkyo name?)...they're drooling...
You won't be able to find the integras DHS-8.8 in onkyo's website for they have there own website. Integra is the High End line up of onkyo. Here's there website including the DHS-8.8 HD DVD player.
http://www.integrahometheater.com/prod_class.cfm?class=DVD (http://www.integrahometheater.com/prod_class.cfm?class=DVD)
About the Paramount/Dreamworks/HD DVD issue, director Michael Bay originally wrote on a blog post:
"I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!"
Michael Bay quickly changed his mind, then wrote:
"Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three Blu-ray owners. They were pissed about no Transformers Blu-ray, and I drank the Kool-Aid hook, line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted -- nothing good ever comes out of early AM posts, mind you -- I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard.
As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision.
So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks!
So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!"
I agree. The guy's brains need to be examined! ;D
Microsoft IsThe Evil Empire According To Michael Bay
By Tim Beringer: 2007-12-05 15:56:06
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-IsThe-Evil-Empire-According-To-Michael-Bay-7618.html
Wala na ba talagang hope for transformers blu-ray?
I guess the title for this thread should read: The War Has Ended...
Hehehe.. You are indeed correct! Jan. 04, 2007 is the declaration of Victory to BluRayHappy New Year sir...;D ;D
still, there was always a downside for any winner in this war - that is, the demise of one of the formats does not automatically guarantee long term success for the other.
it's up to sony now to make it work or screw it up...
Yup thats the big question, if it will be adopted by the mass market. Imo, it might not win against dvd, Imagine I will buy a bluray player for my 70 plus year old parents or my sisters and tell them they have to update the player once in a while for the movie to work..Im sure they will go HUH?? Not only that if you want more features connect to the net..HUH?? Im sure that will be most of the response for the not so tech savvy people (Me included in this) Im still running 1.82 in my ps3 (lazy to update also), and never check the net for those extra features yet. Actually havent watched any extra features on those discs. ;D Gotta start watching them..
To me they made it too complicated for the regular joes.
Easier said than done.
Old folks cannot ignore computers because there is no alternative; but they can easily ignore Blu-ray because SD-DVD works just fine.
this maybe the final nail in the coffin.......reliable industry sources are telling us that Paramount is indeed preparing to end their HD-DVD support and announce a return to the Blu-ray fold.
Meanwhile, sources are telling us that Universal has also been talking with the BDA, and is looking to follow Paramount and Warner's lead as soon as possible.
Times Online in the U.K. is now reporting that as many as 20 additional firms currently backing HD-DVD are also considering defection in the wake of Warner's Friday announcement, including Fujitsu, Lenovo, Kenwood and Pony Canyon (which is a major Japanese film and music studio).
...that major big box retailers will begin winding down in-store support for HD-DVD as soon as these studios go public with their decisions. We're told that the industry's major retail partners are already pressuring Paramount, DreamWorks and Universal to go Blu following Warner's decision.
Whoa....the above are major moves which are not unexpected. These will indeed aggravate the situation & devastate HD DVD completely! :o
There's no point in prolonging & avoiding the inevitable. :-[
Cant wait to see Transformers and the Bourne series at the Blu side.
wondering what's going at the HD-DVD/BD booth? here's some pics
why call high definition HD-DVD??? its just so boring. BLU-RAY sounds so much more futuristic. of course thats the marketing side of it.
With doomsday sure to come for HD DVD, paano na yung Internet Access ng mga HD DVD movies? Will they be still around?
It's not the name that cause its failure LOL....but for me, it's kinda cute... ;D
why call high definition HD-DVD??? its just so boring. BLU-RAY sounds so much more futuristic. of course thats the marketing side of it.
It's not the name that cause its failure LOL....but for me, it's kinda cute... ;D
thats not it. im sure the power brokers of HDDVD and BD wont think so as well. But you'd be surprised how things like this will manifest itself during in depth research projects done on consumers.
instead of hd-dvd, they could have called it "red ink"
But it's now genearally accepted that Blu-ray has already won, so Blu-ray prices have nowhere to go but up.
PS3 prices have nowhere to go but down, ... They can't increase the price of "The BD Player" that can play games.
Why not?
Price cuts continued mainly because of the HD war, while Sony continued to absorb losses.
It's hard to imagine that these guys won't try to recover those losses this time, now that the competition is out of the way.
I think the common thinking is that Sony would try to recover losses from software sales, but given the amount of losses already incurred, it's gonna take years of increasing content sales in order to achieve that.
do you think it would have made a difference had xbox just built in an hddvd player? like blu-ray on the ps3?
content cannot be king forever. ultimately, its the consumers that are king.
Majority of consumers buy HD based on the contents. Without good studios supporting it's very hard for a format to prevail.
I'm neutral but initially started with HD DVD = 50 & Blu-ray = 0. Now look at my total collections. :-\
Pchin you are at a virtual tie until Warner's announcement, and it was not that difficult to imagine that both these formats could have eventually co-existed peacefully. Everybody knows that it wasn't exactly BD media outselling HD DVD by 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 because they have better contents or more studios. In fact, it can be easily argued that HD DVD have the better contents even up to now, and their studio support was decently productive . However, the number of PS3 owners are simply too massive compared to that of HD DVD.
He who's willing to spend gold, has the rules.
the number of ps3 owners that have direct access to a BD player compared to that of the xbox360 which has an optional hd-dvd player.
The PS3 however proved to be a different class since it is easily the cheapest blu ray and it multimedia functions are awesome... ;D ;D ;D
No. The clincher was content.
As long as all or nearly all future releases of movie titles will be released exclusively on Blu-ray, then Blu-ray would win, regardless of whether or not HD DVD had been built into the XBox.
Content is king.
thats actually what I was pointing to. the number of ps3 owners that have direct access to a BD player compared to that of the xbox360 which has an optional hd-dvd player.
and since I bought a ps3, its only logical to buy bluray discs... had i gotten an xbox 360, i would have contemplated if I were to spend the extra cash on an hddvd add on... and I could have gone either way.
Some observers argue that what tipped the scales in favor of VHS in the Betamax / VHS format wars is the porno industry.
But did the inclusion of a Blu-ray player on PS3 actually push Blu-ray into victory?
I highly doubt it, because the average gamer cares about games, not movies. And my opinion is backed by data:
As I said, content is king.
This topic has also been previously discussed to death here.
Porn was not the cause of VHS' victory.
VHS won because initially, Beta recorded at 60 mins. maximum, while VHS recorded at 120 mins. maximum. You couldn't even record a full-length movie on Beta.
A time war ensued, with VHS always having a longer recording time than Beta. By the time Beta's recording time was long enough, it was too late. VHS was already the consumer's choice.
I agree with John C. Dvorak's view.
Dvorak says that while it's commonly stated that VHS won against Beta because of porn, nobody can cite any evidence to prove it.
"I've gotten into more debates over the notion that all advances in technology are due to porn than any other topic. And there is zero evidence to support this assertion. With Beta versus VHS, the deal breaker was the fact that you could record a sporting event on VHS while it was impossible to do so on Beta. The 4 hours of recording time on VHS (which was extended to 6) made the difference. And here's a breakthrough notion: The VHS-based products were cheaper to buy and use."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2112479,00.asp
Nielsen has just said its 85-15 in HD disc sales in favor of BD last week, looks like Warner's decision made a big impactNielsen? wala ba daya yan? hehehehe joke ;D ;D ;D
Apple’s iTunes Store movies outsell HD DVD, Blu-ray titles (http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/16111/)
NPD: Free Blu-ray player deals led to boosted sales this month
By Nate Mook, BetaNews
January 24, 2008, 2:46 PM
A report from NPD Group claimed Blu-ray standalone player sales accounted for 93 percent of the high-def market for the week ending January 12, but NPD itself won't stand behind the numbers, saying they were leaked and that weekly sales data is not a long-term indicator.
According to Stephen Baker, vice president of industry analysis for NPD, the data "came from an NPD subscriber" and "wasn't approved for release from NPD." He added that the firm typically sees big fluctuations in sales volumes each week, and never makes long-term judgements based on weekly data.
"It reflects what was going on during that week," Baker said, adding that it wasn't smart to "extrapolate that out for six months.
"So what went on the week ending January 12 that led to such high numbers in Blu-ray standalone player sales? Bundling deals with HDTVs, explained Baker. Sharp Blu-ray players accounted for over 30% of sales, as they were offered free to buyers of the company's LCD televisions.
Sony -- also accounting for one-third of sales -- had a similar $400-off deal for Blu-ray players when buying a Sony HDTV.
Panasonic, like Sharp, offered a free Blu-ray player and made up for the remaining third of units sold. Samsung Blu-ray sales were almost non-existent, as the company did not offer any special deals to TV buyers.
The NPD figures did not include Sony's PlayStation 3 or Microsoft's HD DVD add-on for the Xbox 360 -- only standalone players.
Baker wouldn't get specific -- since NPD normally never even comments on weekly sales data -- but said there was some drop in HD DVD player sales. For its part, the HD DVD Promotional Group told BetaNews the weekly sales data was from before the HD DVD player price drop Toshiba announced last week.
Baker did provide BetaNews some insight as to how NPD counts sales. It receives its data from point-of-sale systems from a number of retail outlets across the United States. He would not say how many retailers send data to NPD, but said it was "double digits."
NPD's numbers do not include online sales from the likes of Amazon, where Toshiba's HD-A3 HD DVD player is the number one seller in the DVD player category and number 14 in all of electronics. By contrast, standalone Blu-ray players do not make the electronics list.
Sky Isn't Falling for HD-DVD, Blu-ray Isn't Champ Yet
Haha..Its really funny na right now NPD comes out with standalone datas...On 2006 and 2007, I don't think they are really showing/comparing sales of standalones. I think its mostly hd disc sales..I may be wrong..It's funny so many bluboyz want HDDVD to die.where are the BOGOs now? tsk tsk tsk....
I think their favorite actor and movie is Tommy Lee Jones as twoface in the third batman, where he said "Why don't you (batman) just diiiiieeeeee" ;D
Hmm its been awhile..Give me some BOGO on both formats..
June 1 would be interesting
desperate times calls for desperate measures
HD DVD buys Super Bowl ad
According to industry reports, the 30-second TV spot is expected to run Toshiba nearly $3 million. It is a crucial move that Toshiba hopes will bring consumers to HD DVD instead of Blu-ray, which has a significant early lead in the format war.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35807/98/
is this probably a desperation move by HD?
desperate times calls for desperate measures
HD DVD buys Super Bowl ad
According to industry reports, the 30-second TV spot is expected to run Toshiba nearly $3 million. It is a crucial move that Toshiba hopes will bring consumers to HD DVD instead of Blu-ray, which has a significant early lead in the format war.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35807/98/
Its a waste. I would rather use the $3m to secretly research & develop a hack for PS3 & other Blu-Rays to playback HD-DVD. Or for Toshiba players to playback blu-rays.
As long as there are giants who still support HD-DVD, like Amazon.com (not to mention giants Universal Studio and Paramount), HD-DVD will always be a pain in the neck of Bluray & Co.
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/amazoncom-we-will-continue-full-support-of-both-formats/5174
I salute Amazon.com for the respect they give their customers. It's really the consumers who should decide and not the studios.
It's really the consumers who should decide and not the studios.
I'm afraid some people are spending more time worrying about this matter on a daily basis instead of actually watching hi-def movies. ;Dhehehehe.........I totally agree bro...... BD supporters probably would gladly apply to do a Jack Kevorkian to HD DVD..... ;D ;D ;D
I'm afraid the BD staunch supporters are much more concerned about the "immediate" future of HD DVD than HD DVD owners themselves. ;D ;D
I'm afraid that by 2009, BD supporters may still be wondering when HD DVD will finally become extinct...and probably still waiting for Transformers, Bourne Trilogy, Jack Ryan Series, Heroes etc, in BD, not to mention Matrix with BD-J powered interactive contents???. ;D ;D ;D
I'm afraid this discussion is becoming boring, not to mention the lack of marketplace. ;D ;D ;D
I'm afraid I might get banned from this site. ;D ;D ;D
Isang makabuluhang araw sa inyong lahat. Please watch a good movie (after you work).
desperate times calls for desperate measures
HD DVD buys Super Bowl ad
According to industry reports, the 30-second TV spot is expected to run Toshiba nearly $3 million. It is a crucial move that Toshiba hopes will bring consumers to HD DVD instead of Blu-ray, which has a significant early lead in the format war.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35807/98/
desperate times calls for desperate measures
HD DVD buys Super Bowl ad
According to industry reports, the 30-second TV spot is expected to run Toshiba nearly $3 million. It is a crucial move that Toshiba hopes will bring consumers to HD DVD instead of Blu-ray, which has a significant early lead in the format war.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35807/98/
bakit sa Best Buy medyo equal pa rin shelf space nila?
I think the topic should now be changed to The War has Ended! I'm missing the hddvd already :'( :'( :'(
I guess my HDDVD will now be my upscaler dvd player :( Anyone wants a pioneer dv600? ??? bought last jan? hehehe :D
I'd stick to your pio since HD DVD player will only play R1 SD DVD...
I'd stick to your pio since HD DVD player will only play R1 SD DVD...
Aw yeah! plus i forgot, that usb port is very usefull to me!
bakit sa Best Buy medyo equal pa rin shelf space nila?
bro, apple tv hd downloads are ready to play in less than 5 minutes.
thanks for your inputs bro. :).
you might be surprised, as i was, about the quality of the hd downloads. based on screenshots they are better than cable hd and roughly on a par with blu-ray.
don't get me wrong bro. i don't mean to debate this. my personal purpose is to be more vigilant about whether blu-ray is a long-term format as i don't want to be holding hundreds of discs again, where there is a more viable option!
i already jumped into the blu-ray pool, and always wonder how deep i should go...so i eagerly anticipate and will always appreciate any news or reality check. :)